Packers re-sign Kevin King

[Mondio]

I'm an enigma I tell ya.

you misunderstand, I think people have been saying enema.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Imagine if Gute trades up in the first round and....grabs a QB. People would literally lose their sh*t.

Yes, that would send some over the edge.

It would almost be worth it just to watch their reaction...

Almost.

 

[Heyjoe4]

No, I understand that.

But I disagree that he's average outside of a couple of bad plays.

I think his baseline level of play is just poor. In 2019, he buoyed it towards average with a few good plays. In 2020, he tanked it towards disaster with a few bad ones. But strip away the outlier plays, and he's just a bad corner.

Now I get that there were financial constraints. I also understand that he was probably playing hurt last year (though that's part of the deal with King). But I was still hoping for a slightly better option at the position.

Agreed and $6 mil????? I hope most of that is incentive-based.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Exactly...a dude as young as him, if he was even average with trending upward projection that man gets a 9M a year contract MINIMUM IMO.

$6 mil still seems awfully rich for what they're getting back. I guess this gives them some freedom as to where in the draft they select a corner. Hopefully a rookie corner is mentored by Alexander and not King.......

 

[tynimiller]

$6 mil still seems awfully rich for what they're getting back. I guess this gives them some freedom as to where in the draft they select a corner. Hopefully a rookie corner is mentored by Alexander and not King.......

I don't disagree, I'd not paid King more than $3M if any. I think was best to cut ties.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I don't disagree, I'd not paid King more than $3M if any. I think was best to cut ties.

Yeah it's like paying $6 mil to keep a bad influence around. If they had more cap space, they probably would have grabbed a guy like Breeland. That wouldn't be a huge upgrade, but certainly better than keeping King around. We'll get some idea of how King's contract is constructed whenever we get the latest cap analysis.

 

[PikeBadger]

Anyone know where to find out up to date roster info? The places I normally go are pathetically slow in currency. Disgraceful actually.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Anyone know where to find out up to date roster info? The places I normally go are pathetically slow in currency. Disgraceful actually.

What specific info?

 

[longtimefan]

$6 mil still seems awfully rich for what they're getting back. I guess this gives them some freedom as to where in the draft they select a corner. Hopefully a rookie corner is mentored by Alexander and not King.......

Whats contract break down? What are incentives?
It isnt a straight 6 mill

 

[Heyjoe4]

Whats contract break down? What are incentives?
It isnt a straight 6 mill

I don't think the contract details have been released yet, but yeah, hopefully it's long on incentives.

 

[Poppa San]

Anyone know where to find out up to date roster info? The places I normally go are pathetically slow in currency. Disgraceful actually.

Spotrac. This link to cap hits has King signed but no contract info in the chart yet.

 

[tynimiller]

Spotrac is usually one of the first to post reliable stuff. Not always the first, but I've rarely seen the contract breakdowns have to be corrected once posted.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Anyone know where to find out up to date roster info? The places I normally go are pathetically slow in currency. Disgraceful actually.

Spotrac is a good site. I also like Ourlads for relatively up to date Rosters. However, this time of year, as you discovered, most of them are slow to catch up.

2021 Green Bay Packers Roster | Ourlads.com

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Michael Silver piece at the top of this article pretty much nails things in regards to what is and isn't happening in Green Bay right now in regards to both Free Agency and what to do with Rodgers.

Packers re-signing CB Kevin King on one-year, $6M contract (nfl.com)

 

[weeds]

you misunderstand, I think people have been saying enema.

I see where Amish and Packfan in SD found this response jocular. (Makes note to self for future reference. )

 

[Sanguine camper]

Name said alternatives?

Any draft pick. Even a first round cb won't make 6 million next year. King was awful in the NFCCG and most of 2020. Not a good idea to reward bad performance. I would think other teams are going to shred him like TB. Lots of film showing the ways to do it.

 

[Sanguine camper]

This deal will be incentive based but he had such a roller coaster year last year.

Disagree that King had a rollercoaster year. He sucked the whole season and picked the NFCCG to go from bad to worse.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Any draft pick. Even a first round cb won't make 6 million next year. King was awful in the NFCCG and most of 2020.

You understand that there's no guarantees in the Draft right? Depending on how you analyze the Draft, if you look at CBs drafted by the Packers in the last 10 years, we're shooting at roughly 30%; so to say that King could just so easily be replaced in the Draft is shaky at best.

 

[PikeBadger]

What specific info?

Like coaches, who is currently on the roster, jersey number, years in the league etc. some of the places I normally go aren’t updating the info.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Honestly, the best places are the team websites themselves. I'd follow that up with spotrac for player info. For historical info that isn't super recent pro-football reference. I can't think of a website that specifically focuses on team coaches like the team websites do.

 

[PikeBadger]

Honestly, the best places are the team websites themselves. I'd follow that up with spotrac for player info. For historical info that isn't super recent pro-football reference. I can't think of a website that specifically focuses on team coaches like the team websites do.

Yes, one would certainly think and hope so. Hence, my disgust.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

I'm sorry if that's not helpful....was there a specific instance where you couldn't find the info you were looking for?

 

[sschind]

You understand that there's no guarantees in the Draft right? Depending on how you analyze the Draft, if you look at CBs drafted by the Packers in the last 10 years, we're shooting at roughly 30%; so to say that King could just so easily be replaced in the Draft is shaky at best.

While it's true the Packers success at drafting CBs had been shaky using that as an excuse to overpay to keep one of those shaky picks rather than try again makes no sense. Past performance does not guarantee future results.

 

[tynimiller]

I'd argue they've approached drafting DBs quite well, it isn't a position which many GUARANTEES exist - especially after the first round - so you make sure to throw extra shots out there - and hope you get a contributor at least every other, and a surefire hit every now and then (which they have IMO in Jaire and Savage as the most recent ones.)

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

While it's true the Packers success at drafting CBs had been shaky using that as an excuse to overpay to keep one of those shaky picks rather than try again makes no sense. Past performance does not guarantee future results.

I think if we were looking for a 3rd CB, I would agree with your philosophy, but we aren't, we would have been looking for a #2 had King not been signed and even our current #3 (Sullivan or Jackson) is not much to write home about. Now whether King was the best FA option, that is up to debate, but I will take King as a starter over any CB we might find at #30 or beyond. I still think Gute grabs 1 if not 2 CB's in the first 6 rounds. Our draft history is hard to ignore, its a total crapshoot and King has been better than all but Alexander of those we drafted and while playing with Green Bay (not Hayward). If anything, maybe King will turn out to be the next Casey Hayward. A player that got much better after his rookie deal.