Packers re-sign Kevin King

[Sanguine camper]

But they aren't actually paying him $6M. So people should stop throwing that number out there.

Kevin King Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac

While King may not make his maximum amount of 6 million, why resign him for any amount that hits the teams tenuous salary cap? The Packers don't have the cap luxury of paying for a guy who should've played his way off the team. Why not replace King with a rookie who will have a lower cap hit? Even if the rookie sucks, so does King. By playing a rookie you save cap space and potentially develop a player who will improve. I don't buy the notion that Gute has some type of master plan that King fits into. He is working at the edge of the salary cap and everything he does is impacted by that hammer over his head. The same goes for Tyler Lancaster. He's just a body taking up roster space. Replacing his lack of production with a FA or 7th round draft pick saves money and doesn't lower the team's talent level.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Even if the rookie sucks, so does King.

I am guessing that your belief in this, is what separates what you would do, with what the Packers did.

I won't rehash all of the pluses and minuses that everyone has listed, but it really just comes down to one of those decisions where us fans are probably split on the decision.

I also don't think the resigning of King really changes much in the way of the draft. It might possibly put a little less pressure on needing to spend the first pick on a CB, but I still think you see Gute pull the trigger pretty quick on a CB.

 

[Schultz]

To me the top 3 needs have not changed. Just the order I would prefer.
OT-DL-CB

 

[Deleted member 6794]

It’s true that I have no problem criticizing other team’s mgmt. I think there past win-loss history warrants criticism of their methods of operation and I’ll admit I do enjoy ridiculing our rivals from time to time and in no way want our management to emulate them.

In my opinion the only reason the Packers have been that successful is that Rodgers fell in their lap in the 2005 draft. Other than that the Packers management hasn't done anything special compared to a lot of other teams. Therefore it doesn't make sense to ridicule other teams' management, who definitely have more knowledge and access to information than anyone around here as well, while not being able to deal with other posters criticizing the Packers' front office.

 

[gopkrs]

I don't think it makes sense to talk about "the Packer management" in any kind of long term situation. It is a whole new ballgame when you bring in a new head coach and new GM. Now if we had an owner, he could cause a kind of consistency. I don't think Murphy has nearly as much power as an owner would. At least it is hard for me to say he is the face of the GB Packers.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I don't think it makes sense to talk about "the Packer management" in any kind of long term situation. It is a whole new ballgame when you bring in a new head coach and new GM. Now if we had an owner, he could cause a kind of consistency. I don't think Murphy has nearly as much power as an owner would. At least it is hard for me to say he is the face of the GB Packers.

Interesting point. It's hard to tell where the power resides in GB. Does Murphy have the power to hire/fire the GM, HC, and Director of Football Operations, or does that need Board approval. My guess is that it needs Board approval. So who sits on the Board? I dunno but will look it up.

Regardless, I don't like that Gluten, MLF, and Ball are peers and report to Murphy. MLF and Ball should report to Gluten and he should decide whether to keep those guys or not. I've never seen an old structure like this one.

 

[Poppa San]

My guess is that it needs Board approval. So who sits on the Board? I dunno but will look it up.

https://www.packers.com/team/executive-committee
Board Of Directors

• Janeau E. Allman
• Marcia M. Anderson
• Daniel T. Ariens
• Nancy K. Armbrust
• Thomas D. Arndt
• Ave M. Bie
• Thomas J. Cardella
• Richard J. Chernick
• Casey Cuene
• Valerie Daniels-Carter
• Robyn Y. Davis
• Ricardo Diaz
• Craig S. ****man
• Andrew E. Farah
• Susan M. Finco
• Philip B. Flynn
• Gerald L. Ganoni
• Robin L. Gilson
• Johnnie L. Gray
• Michael J. Haddad
• Jeffrey A. Joerres
• Wilson R. Jones
• Mark A. Kasper
• David Kohler
• George E. Koonce Jr.
• William F. Kress
• Thomas G. Kunkel
• Donald J. Long Jr.
• Laurence A. McCarren
• Dexter E. McNabb
• Mark H. Murphy
• Thomas L. Olson
• Gary M. Rotherham
• Diane L. Roundy
• John A. Schmidt
• Karl A. Schmidt
• Michael D. Simmer
• Mark D. Skogen
• John L. Skoug
• Eric G. Torkelson
• Dr. Elizabeth R. Trowbridge
• Barbara A. Webster
• Mike L. Weller
• Michael A. Wier
• Hon. John P. Zakowski

 

[PikeBadger]

I saw 5 former Packer players on that list. Nice to see them represented.

 

[MolineGeneseo12]

This just in:

A Packer beat writer defends the Packers FO.

King is closer to bad than he is good. We can only hope he takes a leap, or at the very least remains healthy. It's not a lot of money so I don't mind it.

 

[Heyjoe4]

https://www.packers.com/team/executive-committee
Board Of Directors

• Janeau E. Allman
• Marcia M. Anderson
• Daniel T. Ariens
• Nancy K. Armbrust
• Thomas D. Arndt
• Ave M. Bie
• Thomas J. Cardella
• Richard J. Chernick
• Casey Cuene
• Valerie Daniels-Carter
• Robyn Y. Davis
• Ricardo Diaz
• Craig S. ****man
• Andrew E. Farah
• Susan M. Finco
• Philip B. Flynn
• Gerald L. Ganoni
• Robin L. Gilson
• Johnnie L. Gray
• Michael J. Haddad
• Jeffrey A. Joerres
• Wilson R. Jones
• Mark A. Kasper
• David Kohler
• George E. Koonce Jr.
• William F. Kress
• Thomas G. Kunkel
• Donald J. Long Jr.
• Laurence A. McCarren
• Dexter E. McNabb
• Mark H. Murphy
• Thomas L. Olson
• Gary M. Rotherham
• Diane L. Roundy
• John A. Schmidt
• Karl A. Schmidt
• Michael D. Simmer
• Mark D. Skogen
• John L. Skoug
• Eric G. Torkelson
• Dr. Elizabeth R. Trowbridge
• Barbara A. Webster
• Mike L. Weller
• Michael A. Wier
• Hon. John P. Zakowski

Thanks Poppa. I looked this up too. In addition to the Board they have a seven-member executive committee as well. Even with all this, I'm not quite sure how they make decisions. I recall McCarthey getting whacked on the same Sunday the team lost to AZ. So Murphy probably has more power than at least I would have guessed. Or they had been considering firing him and delegated the decision to Murphy.

 

[MolineGeneseo12]

Not sure this fits in here, but King is worthless, often injured, terrible tackler, easily beaten off press coverage along with extreme wide splits in relation to first down marker. Petite evidently made last call before TB halftime catch, fundamental coverage principle man don’t let receiver get behind you...poor, poor, poor even if interference maybe only field goal. Cut this worthless CB. Also, AR selfish on restructuring contract, think he’s a me person, plus not a Packer management person,unlike TB who see it takes keeping players to maintain winning caliber team. Like AR doesn’t have enough career money. Maybe it’s time ugh after 2021 season to part ways with Rodgers to still get a lot of draft or free agent capital. The unknown is Jordan Love, we’ll see him a lot in exhibition season, plus one play away from God forbid Rodgers injury. Remember, Majic man out, Favre never looked back to became a Hall a Famer.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Not sure this fits in here, but King is worthless, often injured, terrible tackler, easily beaten off press coverage along with extreme wide splits in relation to first down marker. Petite evidently made last call before TB halftime catch, fundamental coverage principle man don’t let receiver get behind you...poor, poor, poor even if interference maybe only field goal. Cut this worthless CB. Also, AR selfish on restructuring contract, think he’s a me person, plus not a Packer management person,unlike TB who see it takes keeping players to maintain winning caliber team. Like AR doesn’t have enough career money. Maybe it’s time ugh after 2021 season to part ways with Rodgers to still get a lot of draft or free agent capital. The unknown is Jordan Love, we’ll see him a lot in exhibition season, plus one play away from God forbid Rodgers injury. Remember, Majic man out, Favre never looked back to became a Hall a Famer.

Agree with you on King. Not only does he not help the team, he's a liability. Hopefully this situation at CB is improved in the draft, maybe FA.

Rodgers is just going through what many franchise QBs have faced near the end of their careers - Favre, Montana, Brady. It's not uncommon. The team can't have it both ways - keep the franchise QB at a reasonable cap number while grooming his replacement. It's a tight line to walk. So in this case I don't think it's Rodgers unwillingness to work with the Packers on clearing cap space. I think it's Packers' management unwilling to make more than a one year commitment to him. After an MVP season, that seems foolish to me. It's a business after all. Loyalty has no place. It all comes down to numbers.

 

[GleefulGary]

King isn’t great, sometimes he’s not good, but he’s not bad. Y’all need to watch football outside of GB.

 

[PikeBadger]

In my opinion the only reason the Packers have been that successful is that Rodgers fell in their lap in the 2005 draft. Other than that the Packers management hasn't done anything special compared to a lot of other teams. Therefore it doesn't make sense to ridicule other teams' management, who definitely have more knowledge and access to information than anyone around here as well, while not being able to deal with other posters criticizing the Packers' front office.

I can pretty much guarantee it won’t be very long before I don’t make much sense again. The Vikings, Lions, Bears, Cowboys et al. are stupid waiting to happen. They seldom fail to disappoint.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Interesting point. It's hard to tell where the power resides in GB. Does Murphy have the power to hire/fire the GM, HC, and Director of Football Operations, or does that need Board approval. My guess is that it needs Board approval. So who sits on the Board? I dunno but will look it up.

I'm quite sure Murphy is the one in charge of football decisions and doesn't need to approval of the executive committee or board of directors.

Not sure this fits in here, but King is worthless, often injured, terrible tackler, easily beaten off press coverage along with extreme wide splits in relation to first down marker. Petite evidently made last call before TB halftime catch, fundamental coverage principle man don’t let receiver get behind you...poor, poor, poor even if interference maybe only field goal. Cut this worthless CB.

The Packers just paid King $3.75 million to re-sign in Green Bay, cutting him at this point would be a terrible idea.

Also, AR selfish on restructuring contract, think he’s a me person, plus not a Packer management person,unlike TB who see it takes keeping players to maintain winning caliber team. Like AR doesn’t have enough career money. Maybe it’s time ugh after 2021 season to part ways with Rodgers to still get a lot of draft or free agent capital. The unknown is Jordan Love, we’ll see him a lot in exhibition season, plus one play away from God forbid Rodgers injury. Remember, Majic man out, Favre never looked back to became a Hall a Famer.

It's much more likely the Packers are the ones not interested in restructuring Rodgers' contract.

I can pretty much guarantee it won’t be very long before I don’t make much sense again.

I'm absolutely convinced about that.

 

[PikeBadger]

I'm quite sure Murphy is the one in charge of football decisions and doesn't need to approval of the executive committee or board of directors.



The Packers just paid King $3.75 million to re-sign in Green Bay, cutting him at this point would be a terrible idea.



It's much more likely the Packers are the ones not interested in restructuring Rodgers' contract.



I'm absolutely convinced about that.

Lol, stay tuned Capt.

 

[PikeBadger]

I would be very alarmed if the board had any say whatsoever in football decisions. That would be a disaster waiting to happen and put the survival of the franchise at great risk IMO.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I would be very alarmed if the board had any say whatsoever in football decisions. That would be a disaster waiting to happen and put the survival of the franchise at great risk IMO.

"Listen to the fans, and you'll end up sitting with them".

 

[longtimefan]

I would be very alarmed if the board had any say whatsoever in football decisions. That would be a disaster waiting to happen and put the survival of the franchise at great risk IMO.

I recall Bergstrom (?) kicked open his door to his suite after Brett tossed the int vs giants in nfccg and said to the affect... he played his last down for us

Add in his retirement saga every year, could be why Ted was put in the spot he was

 

[Poppa San]

I would be very alarmed if the board had any say whatsoever in football decisions. That would be a disaster waiting to happen and put the survival of the franchise at great risk IMO.

IIRC this was a contributing cause to the gory years.

 

[Mondio]

I recall Bergstrom (?) kicked open his door to his suite after Brett tossed the int vs giants in nfccg and said to the affect... he played his last down for us

Add in his retirement saga every year, could be why Ted was put in the spot he was

He may have done that, but if the guys that made the decisions felt differently, what John wanted probably wouldn't have made a difference.

I think like that after that game with another season ending careless INT. I wouldn't be surprised to learn a lot of guys in the FO thought it might be time to move on after he looked cold, old, and uninspired out there that day.

 

[longtimefan]

He may have done that, but if the guys that made the decisions felt differently, what John wanted probably wouldn't have made a difference.

I think like that after that game with another season ending careless INT. I wouldn't be surprised to learn a lot of guys in the FO thought it might be time to move on after he looked cold, old, and uninspired out there that day.

I heard that quote on the radio from a local sports guy...may have been bill michaels

 

[Mondio]

I heard that quote on the radio from a local sports guy...may have been bill michaels

He could have, he's kind of an act now, this is what's going to happen type guy. But I think the board's powers were kind of limited when it came to the day to day or team make up decisions when Harlan was president and hired Wolf as GM. So he could think and say that, but i'm not sure they had the power to do anything other than say and think stuff.

 

[thequick12]

Also, AR selfish on restructuring contract, think he’s a me person, plus not a Packer management person,unlike TB who see it takes keeping players to maintain winning caliber team. Like AR doesn’t have enough career money.

I agree on king, he should not have been resigned, especially with the other options available.

As for Rodgers...I think it's very clear after Mark Murphy's comments that it's not Rodgers but the Packers who are avoiding pushing money into the future on Rodgers contract. The team obviously is toeing the line when it comes to maintaining flexibility when it comes to moving on from Rodgers.

And I'm not really sure why? Surely they should feel comfortable moving forward with Rodgers as qb for the next 2 seasons. There's no doubt he provides the team a unique/rare opportunity to make a run at the super bowl

 

[PikeBadger]

IIRC this was a contributing cause to the gory years.

I know they had this problem before Lombardi came to town.