Packers GM Brian Gutekunst

[swhitset]

I think a person could safely say that outside of the decision to draft Love, Gutey has done a pretty good job with the draft, and leave it at that. That's kind of how I see it anyhow.

That is actually what I did say.

 

[Voyageur]

That is actually what I did say.

I know. Agreeing with you in that respect.

 

[gopkrs]

And that is exactly why some of us believe it was a mistake. The Packers were in a hard push for a Superbowl…the team had a few glaring holes that needed to be filled. But instead chose to use their top draft pick (plus another lower pick) to draft what by your own admission was an extremely risky prospect that was not in a position that would help them achieve the ultimate goal. I’m all for drafting for the future… but that was not the time to do it.

I think that our ability to draft a quality QB is very limited by our perennial draft position. They saw something in Love. I thought it a worthwhile risk. People like to cherry pick good receivers that were taken after but there is no guarantee one of them would have been ours. Many more fail that were highly touted. Oh I liked that guy a lot after the fact does not go far with me. I remember how just about everyone thought that Minnesota receiver was going to bust. Selective memories all over the place.

 

[tynimiller]

But they can pretend to know. The odds are with them.

For sure, odds are always with saying a QB doesn't pan out that is drafted.

 

[swhitset]

I think that our ability to draft a quality QB is very limited by our perennial draft position. They saw something in Love. I thought it a worthwhile risk. People like to cherry pick good receivers that were taken after but there is no guarantee one of them would have been ours. Many more fail that were highly touted. Oh I liked that guy a lot after the fact does not go far with me. I remember how just about everyone thought that Minnesota receiver was going to bust. Selective memories all over the place.

I’m not using any selective memory… and you didn’t see me saying receiver was the only choice. The Packers had a need at several positions… none of which was QB. There are many many players selected after Love in that draft that are currently making big contributions on their respective teams.

 

[swhitset]

For sure, odds are always with saying a QB doesn't pan out that is drafted.

yep…thank you

 

[OldSchool101]

I read each post. I read each response. After further review I disagree with all of you. I thought I was nuts!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Was surprised to see new posts in this thread. Besides his first season, when he was taking over for what I thought was a team headed in the wrong direction, Gutey has been excellent in my opinion.

While I agree that Love might have been his one big mistake, the Love Story hasn't been completely written yet, so I am going to withhold judgement until such time.

 

[OldSchool101]

Did not seem to happen with Drew Breeze. And he was one of the best ever. I think you are talking about baseball pitchers. No throwing change ups in the NFL.

Actually I’d argue Brees was a good example of that. While he had less attempts, his Passer rating, completion % (over 70%+) were all above his career average during his last 4 seasons. But his mental capacity as a veteran expert at reading Defenses was a big reason he only lost 8 total games over his last 3 seasons.
Other well known prolific examples of players who’s overall arm talent wained, but who’s mental aspect was elevated are T Brady and P Manning.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Disagree, you're never going to have identical scenarios in almost any discussion. It's freaking close IMO.

I definitely agree with @swhitset that the situations weren't even close to being identical.

If they would have taken Queen it would have helped the defense immediately and they would have had a long term fix to their ILB issues.

Queen has been a terrible player so far in his NFL career. The Packers dodged a bullet not selecting him.

 

[Krabs]

Queen has been a terrible player so far in his NFL career. The Packers dodged a bullet not selecting him.

Interesting, I thought he was better than that. I should have looked at the stat before spouting off. He's near the bottom of ILB for rankings. I think my point is the same as yours though. Instead of taking a backup QB in the first round there were better options that would have filled an immediate need.

 

[gopkrs]

Interesting, I thought he was better than that. I should have looked at the stat before spouting off. He's near the bottom of ILB for rankings. I think my point is the same as yours though. Instead of taking a backup QB in the first round there were better options that would have filled an immediate need.

But evidently not that one. So you want to be able to look back from the present and then pick?

 

[Krabs]

But evidently not that one. So you want to be able to look back from the present and then pick?

Man, one can only wish. Again, I just didn't like the Love pick. I think that is okay to not like something. I don't have a choice in the matter. I'm just a dude with a keyboard talking football.

 

[OldSchool101]

Man, one can only wish. Again, I just didn't like the Love pick. I think that is okay to not like something. I don't have a choice in the matter. I'm just a dude with a keyboard talking football.

I was shocked at first at Gutes choice. It hit me more because I never considered they would plan to move on from Rodgers that early. It wasnt so much the player as the position. In my mind, the earliest I expected a QB was 2022 and ideally 2023.
I definitely understand and agree in part with others in here that I personally would’ve been laser focused on going after a couple of difference makers simply because we were so close to a SB the previous year.
Had there not been enough value at #29 (or wherever we originally were slated) I like the slight trade back. Then package the extra acquired capital with that 4th rounder took get back into late day 3 again. Not saying both would perform highly immediately, but we get 2 dart throws from 10 feet.. I like my odds at 1 working out in their Rookie season

From the player point of view? I actually like Love and I like his story and I think he’s got a good chance to be an NFL starter somewhere. What he does with that opportunity is up to him. But he’s definitely more talented than many posters think.
I think he just needs a game or 3 to shake the nerves and then you’ll see a guy that “wears well” over time. He’s a QB that can perform from the pocket. For most part, I hate getting running QBs as starters. They generally fizzle. I want a QB who stands firm in the pocket.

 

[Dblbogey]

Seems only fitting we have thread for this guy. I’m going to be honest, I just don’t like this guy…never have. Yes he’s spent some money and bought in some guys but he just strikes me as a smug know it all type of dude. His drafts have been ok, not great. Plus I’m sure Rodgers and Adams both hate the guy so there’s that.

This didn't age well. Still mad at the Rashan Gary pick?

 

[ARPackFan]

For sure, odds are always with saying a QB doesn't pan out that is drafted.

Good GMs with good coaches can shift the odds in their favor.

Ron Wolf was always looking for QBs and drafted 7 during his 11 years as GM. He also brought in QBs as FAs trying to find someone overlooked by other teams. He and his scouting staff actually did a very good job when you consider that 4 of his drafted players had respectable NFL careers -

Aaron Brooks : 1999 / Rnd. 4; 93 Games / 90 Games Started
Matt Hasselbeck :1998 / Rnd. 6; 209 G / 160 GS
McAda : 1997; No Recorded Stats on Pro-Football-Reference.com
Wachholz (1996 / Rnd. 7); No Recorded Stats on Pro-Football-Reference.com
Barker 1995 ; No Recorded Stats on Pro-Football-Reference.com
Mark Brunell : 1993 (193 G / 151 GS)
Ty Detmer : 1992 / Rnd. 9; 54 G /25 GS - (The Packers used the 1992 first round pick to acquire Brett from the Falcons)

Thompson took Rodgers after he fell in the draft but otherwise stunk at drafting QBs. (6 QBS in 13 years). He did find a career backup in Matt Flynn.

Brett Hundley : 2015 / Rnd. 5 ; 18 G / 9 GS
B.J. Coleman : 2012 Rnd. 7 ; No Recorded Stats on Pro-Football-Reference.com
Brian Brohm : 2008 / Rnd. 2 ; 3 G / 2 GS
Matt Flynn :2008 /Rnd. 7 ; 53 G / 12 GS
Ingle Martin : 2006 / Rnd.5 ; 1 G / 0 GS
Aaron Rodgers : 2005 / Rnd. 1 - Future HOF

Wolf was good at finding QBs, Thompson was just lucky

 

[Voyageur]

Good GMs with good coaches can shift the odds in their favor.

Ron Wolf was always looking for QBs and drafted 7 during his 11 years as GM. He also brought in QBs as FAs trying to find someone overlooked by other teams. He and his scouting staff actually did a very good job when you consider that 4 of his drafted players had respectable NFL careers -

Aaron Brooks : 1999 / Rnd. 4; 93 Games / 90 Games Started
Matt Hasselbeck :1998 / Rnd. 6; 209 G / 160 GS
McAda : 1997; No Recorded Stats on Pro-Football-Reference.com
Wachholz (1996 / Rnd. 7); No Recorded Stats on Pro-Football-Reference.com
Barker 1995 ; No Recorded Stats on Pro-Football-Reference.com
Mark Brunell : 1993 (193 G / 151 GS)
Ty Detmer : 1992 / Rnd. 9; 54 G /25 GS - (The Packers used the 1992 first round pick to acquire Brett from the Falcons)

Thompson took Rodgers after he fell in the draft but otherwise stunk at drafting QBs. (6 QBS in 13 years). He did find a career backup in Matt Flynn.

Brett Hundley : 2015 / Rnd. 5 ; 18 G / 9 GS
B.J. Coleman : 2012 Rnd. 7 ; No Recorded Stats on Pro-Football-Reference.com
Brian Brohm : 2008 / Rnd. 2 ; 3 G / 2 GS
Matt Flynn :2008 /Rnd. 7 ; 53 G / 12 GS
Ingle Martin : 2006 / Rnd.5 ; 1 G / 0 GS
Aaron Rodgers : 2005 / Rnd. 1 - Future HOF

Wolf was good at finding QBs, Thompson was just lucky

A lot of the choice made decision falls on the people out in the field, evaluating talent. The trick, with Wolf, was finding guys flying just under the radar, who had certain skills, and the willingness to learn. Also, a bit of smarts, to go with it. You can add some who were undrafted too. Warner would be a perfect example. Even though he was dumped early, he's said repeatedly he learned a lot just by being in the Packer camp.

 

[longtimefan]

But what if it did. I agree, the drafting of Love may have positively impacted Rodgers to "prove" to Packer management why that was a slight (or whatever he thinks). His play the last season and a half makes the Packers more of a legitimate Super Bowl contender than the previous seasons (probably should have been in the Super Bowl last year with a solid chance to win it). I think you could possibly link that to the Love pick. It makes some kind of sense.

Ive said that last year. I firmly believe its true.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Ive said that last year. I firmly believe its true.

I think that it would be hard to argue the opposite, that Love made Rodgers play worse, so I also feel Love has "nudged" Rodgers a bit.

 

[PikeBadger]

NFL.com came out with an article yesterday where 22 Team Executives were polled on this season's individual awards. Brian Gutekunst finished a close runnerup (by 1 vote) as NFL Executive of the year behind Bill Belichick.
Therefore, it is way overdue, but I am editing this thread title so that visitors don't think this forum is filled with half-baked jackwagons.

 

[Voyageur]

NFL.com came out with an article yesterday where 22 Team Executives were polled on this season's individual awards. Brian Gutekunst finished a close runnerup (by 1 vote) as NFL Executive of the year behind Bill Belichick.
Therefore, it is way overdue, but I am editing this thread title so that visitors don't think this forum is filled with half-baked jackwagons.

Imagine Gutey winning that award, ML getting coach of the year, and Rodgers MVP.

You go ahead and tell me how you don't fight like hell to keep that trio together.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

NFL.com came out with an article yesterday where 22 Team Executives were polled on this season's individual awards. Brian Gutekunst finished a close runnerup (by 1 vote) as NFL Executive of the year behind Bill Belichick.
Therefore, it is way overdue, but I am editing this thread title so that visitors don't think this forum is filled with half-baked jackwagons.

About time he got some recognition. I have no clue how his career will end up, but I'm sure along the way there will always be a fan or two or thousand, that after a Packer loss will blame him and want him fired.

 

[Voyageur]

About time he got some recognition. I have no clue how his career will end up, but I'm sure along the way there will always be a fan or two or thousand, that after a Packer loss will blame him and want him fired.

He's surprised me to be honest. I wasn't certain that an internal move was the best option. Now, I don't think it was a bad call.

I just want to see something worked out where Rodgers finishes his career in GB. I don't give a rip about any future draft choices with Love at QB.

I'm not a Rodgers fan. I'm a Packers fan, who wants to see them field the best team possible to win, and there's no scenario that I see in the foreseeable future that works without Rodgers.

But, that's just my opinion.

 

[Half Empty]

Imagine Gutey winning that award, ML getting coach of the year, and Rodgers MVP.

You go ahead and tell me how you don't fight like hell to keep that trio together.

How much do the GM and HC make, where does that put them in the NFL pecking order, and what effect does their salaries have on being able to field a team? Then, same question for the QB. A quick search says highest GM compensation is under $8 mil and MLF is dead center of the pack, and neither of them affects the ability to sign/retain players. I don't think the same can be said for AR. So, ya, fight for it, but...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

One thing is for certain, Love is by no means ready to take over for #12 and thrive. So yes, best case scenario for the Packers, Rodgers finishes his career in Green Bay and Love either remains his backup or moves on. Won't be the first or last time a first round pick didn't pan out. If Rodgers retires or doesn't want to finish his career as a Packer, than Love is step #1 in trying to replace him.