Packers GM Brian Gutekunst

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I don't always agree with you, but we do here. Which I'm not sure makes me feel good or bad about my logic on it. LOL
LOL.....thanks...I think. :roflmao:

I don't think it was just the "BPA" and "high value" that Gute saw with the Love pick, I seriously think he was planning for a potential future without Rodgers and this was the first step in the plan. Was totally worth a shot. Obviously as time goes by and Rodgers stays in GB, keeps playing at a high level and Love doesn't show much.....it will be very easy to use that 20/20 hindsite vision and say "See, what a waste...we would have won a few more Super Bowls had Gute used the pick(s) on other guys." Then use todays knowledge of all the studs that were drafted after Love and pretend the Packers would have taken them instead.
 
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Of course they don't....in your opinion and it doesn't fit your narrative. Yours and others narrative that the Packers are the only team to ever spend draft capital on a QB, while they already had a top starter is just not true, but I don't expect you to admit it.
You know if I recall the Packers drafted Don Horn in the first round of 1967. He was the 25th pick and the Packers were World Champions although we were in competition with the AFL. Now Bart Starr won the MVP in 1966. How do you think he felt when Lombardi took this dude in the first round? Never recall him saying anything about it. Never recall anyone criticizing Lombardi. The other Packer QB was Zeke Bratkowski who was actually slightly older than Bart. Now Horn had a short lived career with his name in lights in only a handful of games. Nevertheless, he was a first rounder. And although $$$ were not what they are now the NFL was competing for players with the AFL before the merger.
 

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You know if I recall the Packers drafted Don Horn in the first round of 1967. He was the 25th pick and the Packers were World Champions although we were in competition with the AFL. Now Bart Starr won the MVP in 1966. How do you think he felt when Lombardi took this dude in the first round? Never recall him saying anything about it. Never recall anyone criticizing Lombardi. The other Packer QB was Zeke Bratkowski who was actually slightly older than Bart. Now Horn had a short lived career with his name in lights in only a handful of games. Nevertheless, he was a first rounder. And although $$$ were not what they are now the NFL was competing for players with the AFL before the merger.
Good find/memory. I agree, the Love pick wasn't the first or last time the situation has occurred, but some want to use it like it was a complete anomaly and thus a terrible move on the part of Gute. I would say the only thing Gute did wrong, was he should have called Rodgers and told him the rationale of the pick. Then again, I doubt Gute called Aaron Jones and Williams to let them know why he drafted Dillon.
 

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Good find/memory. I agree, the Love pick wasn't the first or last time the situation has occurred, but some want to use it like it was a complete anomaly and thus a terrible move on the part of Gute. I would say the only thing Gute did wrong, was he should have called Rodgers and told him the rationale of the pick. Then again, I doubt Gute called Aaron Jones and Williams to let them know why he drafted Dillon.

That was none of their business, the only business that was were Gute/MLF and Aaron Rodgers duh.... LOL
 

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That was none of their business, the only business that was were Gute/MLF and Aaron Rodgers duh.... LOL

LOL

I think most Packer fans, media and probably the players dropped their jaws when Love was picked, I did. However, its part of what goes on in Football and after it set in and explained a bit by the Packers, it made sense ....to me. At this point he is pretty much like what Brunell, Detmer, Nall, Brooks, Hundley or Matt Flynn were. A drafted QB, that served some years as the primary backup.
 

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LOL

I think most Packer fans, media and probably the players dropped their jaws when Love was picked, I did. However, its part of what goes on in Football and after it set in and explained a bit by the Packers, it made sense ....to me. At this point he is pretty much like what Brunell, Detmer, Nall, Brooks, Hundley or Matt Flynn were. A drafted QB, that served some years as the primary backup.

Brohm to a lessor extent...talk about a guy that didn't come close to even what many hoped "average to solid backup"
 

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Brohm to a lessor extent...talk about a guy that didn't come close to even what many hoped "average to solid backup"
Yeah, he was a total bust. I don't think he ever played a real snap for the Packers and only lasted a year or so in Green Bay.
 

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Right....but those don't fit the "exact" parameters some want to be able to use in calling the Love pick a complete failure on Gute's part. ;)

I did include Lamar. :)

TT drafting Brian Brohm with a second round pick (#56) seemed like a huge waste too. However, it is what GM's do when they see what they perceive to be a bargain at a position that they might not be fully sure of in the near future.
It goes to show you how important GMs feel it is to get the QB position right. Keep picking till you get find the right one.

I will add one:

Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers
 

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It goes to show you how important GMs feel it is to get the QB position right. Keep picking till you get find the right one.

I will add one:

Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers
Yes and if you get lucky and have 2 really good QB's, it is an awesome "problem" to have. The Packers have proven that having back to back franchise HOF QB's can pretty much carry the team pretty far. Given the importance of the position and the salaries that top QB's make, if I saw what I thought was a bargain draft pick, I'd go after it too, especially if there wasn't another player just jumping out at me with that pick.
 

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Good find/memory. I agree, the Love pick wasn't the first or last time the situation has occurred, but some want to use it like it was a complete anomaly and thus a terrible move on the part of Gute. I would say the only thing Gute did wrong, was he should have called Rodgers and told him the rationale of the pick. Then again, I doubt Gute called Aaron Jones and Williams to let them know why he drafted Dillon.
And get this. Bart Starr was 33 years old when Horn was drafted. How old was Rodgers when Love was drafted? 36?
 

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If we traded up and did not take Love; we probably would have taken Patrick Queen. And then we would probably not have Campbell. imho
 

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If we traded up and did not take Love; we probably would have taken Patrick Queen. And then we would probably not have Campbell. imho
Yeah, who knows who we would have taken and how that player would have turned out in Green Bay. That late in the first round is a crap shoot. Hell, seems like any pick is a crap shoot these days, especially a QB.
 

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What is a crap shoot? I am guessing it is not what it sounds like. What are the rules when you partake in a crap shoot? Is this an individual thing or is it a team sport? Asking for a friend.
 

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What is a crap shoot? I am guessing it is not what it sounds like. What are the rules when you partake in a crap shoot? Is this an individual thing or is it a team sport? Asking for a friend.
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Of course they don't....in your opinion and it doesn't fit your narrative. Yours and others narrative that the Packers are the only team to ever spend draft capital on a QB, while they already had a top starter is just not true, but I don't expect you to admit it.

You're aware that I respect your opinion on most topics but you're completely off base if you truly believe any of the teams you mentioned were in a situation even remotely close to the one the Packers found themselves in during the draft in 2020 (see my last post on the reasoning behind it).

I'd include some others to a lessor degree as well:

Jimmy G/Lance
Brady/Trask

Garropolo isn't even close to being a HOFer. Trask was the last pick of the second round and with Brady being 47 years old at the time Trask's rookie contract is up it made more sense than the Packers selecting Love.

Right....but those don't fit the "exact" parameters some want to be able to use in calling the Love pick a complete failure on Gute's part. ;)

As I've mentioned repeatedly (but you continue to conveniently ignore) it's way too early to consider the Love pick as a failure. It's strange that you don't even consider there's a chance it doesn't work out at all though.

TT drafting Brian Brohm with a second round pick (#56) seemed like a huge waste too. However, it is what GM's do when they see what they perceive to be a bargain at a position that they might not be fully sure of in the near future.

Actually, Thompson drafted Brohm made significantly more sense than Gutekunst selecting Love.

I don't think it was just the "BPA" and "high value" that Gute saw with the Love pick, I seriously think he was planning for a potential future without Rodgers and this was the first step in the plan. Was totally worth a shot. Obviously as time goes by and Rodgers stays in GB, keeps playing at a high level and Love doesn't show much.....it will be very easy to use that 20/20 hindsite vision and say "See, what a waste...we would have won a few more Super Bowls had Gute used the pick(s) on other guys." Then use todays knowledge of all the studs that were drafted after Love and pretend the Packers would have taken them instead.

The fans criticizing the Love pick don't use hindsight to criticize it though as it was pretty obvious from the get-go it was a terrible idea.

You know if I recall the Packers drafted Don Horn in the first round of 1967. He was the 25th pick and the Packers were World Champions although we were in competition with the AFL. Now Bart Starr won the MVP in 1966. How do you think he felt when Lombardi took this dude in the first round? Never recall him saying anything about it. Never recall anyone criticizing Lombardi.

Finally, someone being able to come up with an example that's actually comparable to the Packers drafting Love last year.

Good find/memory. I agree, the Love pick wasn't the first or last time the situation has occurred, but some want to use it like it was a complete anomaly and thus a terrible move on the part of Gute.

I still consider it to be an anomaly if the last time it happened occurred 53 years ago.

I think most Packer fans, media and probably the players dropped their jaws when Love was picked, I did. However, its part of what goes on in Football and after it set in and explained a bit by the Packers, it made sense ....to me. At this point he is pretty much like what Brunell, Detmer, Nall, Brooks, Hundley or Matt Flynn were. A drafted QB, that served some years as the primary backup.

Aside of the fact that none of the other quarterbacks you mentioned were drafted before the fourth round.

I will add one:

Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers

Once again, the Chargers were found themselves in a completely different situation than the Packers last year though. San Diego was coming off a 4-12 season in which the team even benched Brees for five games to start Doug Flutie over him.

As a side note, they actually drafted Eli Manning with the first overall pick that year despite him declaring he won't play for the Chargers. They later acquired Rivers in a trade with the Giants.

 

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Garropolo isn't even close to being a HOFer. Trask was the last pick of the second round and with Brady being 47 years old at the time Trask's rookie contract is up it made more sense than the Packers selecting Love.

Would never say he is a HOFer. We are listing similar, not identical situations.
 

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Would never say he is a HOFer. We are listing similar, not identical situations.
Except as Captain pointed out… they aren’t really similar. Just drafting a QB when you already have one certainly doesn‘t meet the criteria necessary to argue that the Packers drafting Love was a good idea. I said it at the draft, and will continue to say it was a terrible decision to draft Love when they did. Not the least of which was the fact that, they better than anyone else, knew how Rodgers would react. In a perfect world, should Rodgers just shut up and play QB? Absolutely…. But the Packers should have been very aware of the problems it would cause. In almost every other case, I would say “tough” let the player deal with it. BUT Rodgers talent and what he means to this team has to transcend the normal way of doing things. Giving deference to his “whims” is a necessary evil that in this very unique situation is/was what is best for the team. Do I, or should Gute, like this? Nope. But he should have been smart enough to recognize it.

All of this being said, overall I think Gute has done a phenomenal job building this team and drafting Love should not be seen as his defining moment.
 

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Except as Captain pointed out… they aren’t really similar. Just drafting a QB when you already have one certainly doesn‘t meet the criteria necessary to argue that the Packers drafting Love was a good idea. I said it at the draft and will continue to say it was a terrible decision to draft Love when they did. Not the least of which was the fact that they better than anyone else knew how Rodgers would react. In a perfect world should Rodgers just shut up and play QB? Absolutely…. But the Packers should have been very aware of the problems it would cause. In almost every other case, I would say “tough” let the player deal with it. BUT Rodgers talent and what he means to this team has to transcend the normal way of doing things. Giving deference to his “whims” is a necessary evil that in this very unique situation is/was what is best for the team. Do I or should Gute like this? Nope. But he should have been smart enough to recognize it.

All of this being said, overall I think Gute has done a phenomenal job building this team and drafting Love should not be seen as his defining moment.

Never have I said it was a great or good idea.

I have time and time again said I wouldn't have done it, however it is a case where a team has a clear starter, yet chose to spend high draft equity on a back up. The refusal to purely acknowledge a similarity in fear that this would be taken as someone supporting the pick of Love is hilarious. No one with an IQ which is measurable would ever make that leap of a conclusion.
 

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Never have I said it was a great or good idea.

I have time and time again said I wouldn't have done it, however it is a case where a team has a clear starter, yet chose to spend high draft equity on a back up. The refusal to purely acknowledge a similarity in fear that this would be taken as someone supporting the pick of Love is hilarious. No one with an IQ which is measurable would ever make that leap of a conclusion.
Oh sorry I didn’t realize we were comparing IQs… mine is actually quite high… as I suspect is yours. I was discussing the situation with the Packers not my opinion of your intelligence.
 

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Oh sorry I didn’t realize we were comparing IQs… mine is actually quite high… as I suspect is yours. I was discussing the situation with the Packers not my opinion of your intelligence.

I think I either mistyped or you mistook my statement. I was merely saying that folks unwillingness to acknowledge the similarity in fear that folks without an IQ would draw assumptions that they therefore support the pick to me is hilarious.
 

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I think I either mistyped or you mistook my statement. I was merely saying that folks unwillingness to acknowledge the similarity in fear that folks without an IQ would draw assumptions that they therefore support the pick to me is hilarious.
Yeah I get that… However in this case I actually agree with Wimm that the examples given do not compare closely enough with the Packers situation to be relevant.
 

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Yeah I get that… However in this case I actually agree with Wimm that the examples given do not compare closely enough with the Packers situation to be relevant.
I should emphasize that the reason I believe this is about Aaron Rodgers himself…. I really think that as a player that he is so far above almost everyone that had ever played the QB position… that trying to draw parallels is impossible. He may have his personality issues, but as a player on the field … he stands alone.
 

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