OT...basketball

[gopkrs]

There is racism in the hearts of way too many Americans. Until that goes away; we are all bums. imho

 

[Mondio]

There is racism in the hearts of way too many Americans. Until that goes away; we are all bums. imho

it's everywhere. It's not just here. It's not always white and black either. It's this god or that. It's this country or that. It's orthodox or not. It's the mexicans or the gringos depending on who you are where you're at. Gypsies, try being one of them over in Europe. Good luck. it's everywhere.

 

[PikeBadger]

Breast cancer awareness is political?!?!

It became very political long before the pink started showing up on courts and fields in the professional leagues.

 

[gopkrs]

it's everywhere. It's not just here. It's not always white and black either. It's this god or that. It's this country or that. It's orthodox or not. It's the mexicans or the gringos depending on who you are where you're at. Gypsies, try being one of them over in Europe. Good luck. it's everywhere.

Actually, that does not change my statement. How stupid to be killing over religion. Something you can't know. And yet, more wars because of it than all the world's wealth. But in the US, I would say that racism about Blacks is the worse and most blatant at this time. All those things you mentioned are so.

 

[PikeBadger]

Actually, that does not change my statement. How stupid to be killing over religion. Something you can't know. And yet, more wars because of it than all the world's wealth. But in the US, I would say that racism about Blacks is the worse and most blatant at this time. All those things you mentioned are so.

Racism about Blacks - In what ways is it the worst and most blatant? Are you referring to whites feelings about blacks? Or are you including Hispanic and Asians feelings about Blacks as well?

 

[Mondio]

Actually, that does not change my statement. How stupid to be killing over religion. Something you can't know. And yet, more wars because of it than all the world's wealth. But in the US, I would say that racism about Blacks is the worse and most blatant at this time. All those things you mentioned are so.

it doesn't change it, we're included. But I feel like a lot of places around the world are now joining in on the jump on Americans bandwagon over this stuff and i'm sitting here thinking, "I've been to your country too, you're not that innocent"

People are mistrustful of different. It's not uniquely white/black or American.

 

[rmontro]

in the US, I would say that racism about Blacks is the worse and most blatant at this time.

Who and where are all these people who are hating black people? I'm just not seeing them. Yes, you have your fringe lunatics like the *** or whatever, but normal people on the street, they're just not sitting around hating black people and scheming ways to oppress them.

Most people are too busy trying to survive and live their own lives. That's why they came up with these concepts of "white privilege" and "systemic racism". Because that way they can accuse people of racism for just existing, basically.

That's not to say black people don't face their own unique set of challenges, of course they do. But I'm not seeing people blatantly and overtly hating on them and trying to keep them down. Look at these BLM protests and a lot of them are mostly white people. The vast, vast majority of people want to see black people succeed.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Who and where are all these people who are hating black people? I'm just not seeing them. Yes, you have your fringe lunatics like the *** or whatever, but normal people on the street, they're just not sitting around hating black people and scheming ways to oppress them.

Most people are too busy trying to survive and live their own lives. That's why they came up with these concepts of "white privilege" and "systemic racism". Because that way they can accuse people of racism for just existing, basically.

That's not to say black people don't face their own unique set of challenges, of course they do. But I'm not seeing people blatantly and overtly hating on them and trying to keep them down. Look at these BLM protests and a lot of them are mostly white people. The vast, vast majority of people want to see black people succeed.

Heard it here first guys.... concepts like white privilege and systemic racism, which are taught at universities and published time and time again are mere "concepts" that "they" created to accuse people of being racist when hey... they're really just trying to mind their own damn business.

Part of the problem here is that many people choose to educate themselves and not look like a buffoon when discussing these topics, as you have with this quoted post. Many people choose to live their life without putting in the effort to know more, and that's the problem. You have to work if you're going to understand. Nobody on this forum is going to teach you because it takes time and effort and really, if you're being taught things on a forum you're being lazy. If you have not taken a class on racial discrimination recently my suggestion is that you do. Read a book on white fragility (presuming you're white). There is even a book named just that.

 

[rmontro]

If you have not taken a class on racial discrimination recently my suggestion is that you do. Read a book on white fragility (presuming you're white). There is even a book named just that.

Calling me ignorant is not adding anything to the conversation. Bringing up what is taught in universities is part of the problem, because leftist professors are pushing their pro-socialist, anti-American (America is evil and racist) agenda, and are indoctrinating their students to believe the same.

You saw the results of this indoctrination out on the streets when these young white Marxists were tearing down statues and defacing monuments in the early days of the protests. One of the aims of Communist revolution is to destroy history, and they would dearly like to remove American history.

That book White Fragility is a perfect example of the kind of self loathing certain white people want to promote, the kind of white people that want to kneel on the ground or make videos apologizing for their white privilege.

If our system is so racist, exactly what is it you want to change about it? Do you want to defund police? Abolish the justice system? Tear up the Constitution and start over? Why is that people of color can come here from other countries and succeed, why do they actually want to come here to succeed if our country is so horrible and racist?

 

[PikeBadger]

it doesn't change it, we're included. But I feel like a lot of places around the world are now joining in on the jump on Americans bandwagon over this stuff and i'm sitting here thinking, "I've been to your country too, you're not that innocent"

People are mistrustful of different. It's not uniquely white/black or American.

Mondio, that’s pretty much the norm for some people overseas who gleefully bag on the USA at every opportune moment. And it’s not a new reaction. When you live overseas for an extended period of time they are easy to spot. Some folks see it as taking a free shot at the big guy on the block.

 

[gatorpack]

Calling me ignorant is not adding anything to the conversation. Bringing up what is taught in universities is part of the problem, because leftist professors are pushing their pro-socialist, anti-American (America is evil and racist) agenda, and are indoctrinating their students to believe the same.

You saw the results of this indoctrination out on the streets when these young white Marxists were tearing down statues and defacing monuments in the early days of the protests. One of the aims of Communist revolution is to destroy history, and they would dearly like to remove American history.

That book White Fragility is a perfect example of the kind of self loathing certain white people want to promote, the kind of white people that want to kneel on the ground or make videos apologizing for their white privilege.

If our system is so racist, exactly what is it you want to change about it? Do you want to defund police? Abolish the justice system? Tear up the Constitution and start over? Why is that people of color can come here from other countries and succeed, why do they actually want to come here to succeed if our country is so horrible and racist?

Save you're time the truth will be ignored. It's too easy to scream racism anytime there's an obstacle in life. This country is screwed the media has done a great job brainwashing. Have you ever seen the movie It Idiocracy? We are well on our way.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Save you're time the truth will be ignored. It's too easy to scream racism anytime there's an obstacle in life. This country is screwed the media has done a great job brainwashing. Have you ever seen the movie It Idiocracy? We are well on our way.

I just gotta point out that actual racism is still an obstacle. Verifiable, ACTUAL obstacle. I'll also point out that it's too easy for some ppl to continue believing comforting falsehoods rather than update their beliefs when it makes them uncomfortable.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Calling me ignorant is not adding anything to the conversation. Bringing up what is taught in universities is part of the problem, because leftist professors are pushing their pro-socialist, anti-American (America is evil and racist) agenda, and are indoctrinating their students to believe the same.

You saw the results of this indoctrination out on the streets when these young white Marxists were tearing down statues and defacing monuments in the early days of the protests. One of the aims of Communist revolution is to destroy history, and they would dearly like to remove American history.

That book White Fragility is a perfect example of the kind of self loathing certain white people want to promote, the kind of white people that want to kneel on the ground or make videos apologizing for their white privilege.

If our system is so racist, exactly what is it you want to change about it? Do you want to defund police? Abolish the justice system? Tear up the Constitution and start over? Why is that people of color can come here from other countries and succeed, why do they actually want to come here to succeed if our country is so horrible and racist?

So now the bias spread by a university would prevent you from educating yourself? That's hogwash. Get off your ***, read a book. Specifically, a book that's held in high regard by an academic institution that's worth a damn. You sound ridiculous. People literally dedicate their lives to become experts in these very topics but no.... their "Pro-socialist" agendas should be avoided. What a ridiculous thing to write. I guess we should just all be educated on Youtube, nightly news and forums. That's how we get where you are. Let's forget that in the current America people are rationing their insulin and raising children who bring AR-15's to protests. Unbelievable.
I've noticed that you're asking a lot of questions, I think the best place for you to get those answers may be at a night class. I would pay money to watch people react.

 

[ARPackFan]

To politicize is to polarize, and racism will only truly be addressed when their is no longer any political capital to be gained by its perpetuation. In my opinion the worst kind of racism is the individual who greets minorities with a handshake and a smile to further their own political agenda.

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insig...petent-in-interactions-with-african-americans

 

[GreenNGold_81]

To politicize is to polarize, and racism will only truly be addressed when their is no longer any political capital to be gained by its perpetuation. In my opinion the worst kind of racism is the individual who greets minorities with a handshake and a smile to further their own political agenda.

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insig...petent-in-interactions-with-african-americans

IMO the worst kind of racism is shooting people in the back and letting white 17-year-olds sleep in their own beds after murdering people, when we know damn well their black or minority counterparts would have been dead in the street.

 

[Mondio]

IMO the worst kind of racism is shooting people in the back and letting white 17-year-olds sleep in their own beds after murdering people, when we know damn well their black or minority counterparts would have been dead in the street.

I would disagree. I bet dollars to donuts had the 17 year old white dude dove into a car after previously breaking free from police he'd likely have been shot. and had Jacob Blake put his hands up and walked towards police it would have ended much differently for him.

FYI, there were people protesting up near here, one with an AR and he pointed it at police. They tackled him and subdued him. He was black they were white, it was in small town WI. your narrative doesn't always play the way you think.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I would disagree. I bet dollars to donuts had the 17 year old white dude dove into a car after previously breaking free from police he'd likely have been shot. and had Jacob Blake put his hands up and walked towards police it would have ended much differently for him.

FYI, there were people protesting up near here, one with an AR and he pointed it at police. They tackled him and subdued him. He was black they were white, it was in small town WI. your narrative doesn't always play the way you think.

Your first sentence completely ignores a somewhat obvious historical context of a sad history of unnecessary deaths/brutality: had he been a 12 year old boy with a toy gun then he would have deserved being shot? A sleeping ambulance worker? A handcuffed individual being kneeled on for 8+ minutes? a 33-year old handcuffed imigrant sodomized by police with a bathroom plunger? A 22-year old street vendor reaching for his wallet? A 22-year old lying facedown at Fruitville station? Numerous mentally ill? Selling cigarettes illegally? Stopped on the side of the road trying to fix a brake light? Mysteriously coming down with a fatal coma while being transported in a prison van?

Your first sentence also presupposed the idea that reaching into your car and disobeying the police is worth a death sentence. Many (myself and other developed nations included) would think that more training for police officers might be able to avoid some of these outcomes and allow a judge and jury to decide if someone needs to be killed, rather than a guy amped up on adrenaline. I would just point out that maybe, just maybe, you haven't had the lifetime experience of how some people are treated by police. That's why it's helpful to listen to others and their experiences, rather than just saying that your knowledge and history is the right one and anyone else is just wrong.

As for the second sentence, congrats, not all police are bad. All people are calling for is better policing and reforms that don't hide an officer's history of misconduct from the public.

 

[rmontro]

To politicize is to polarize, and racism will only truly be addressed when their is no longer any political capital to be gained by its perpetuation.

It's a complicated situation for sure. I'm just thankful that we have basketball players around to tell us what to think.

I bet dollars to donuts had the 17 year old white dude dove into a car after previously breaking free from police he'd likely have been shot.

I do not understand why so many people think that violent criminals should be allowed to fight the police and then reach into their car against police instruction. This video shows almost the exact same sequence of events as the Jacob Blake situation, except he was allowed to reach into his car. You can guess what happened.

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Bottom line, I care more about the officers lives than a criminal's life. Sorry.

 

[Mondio]

Your first sentence completely ignores a somewhat obvious historical context of a sad history of unnecessary deaths/brutality: had he been a 12 year old boy with a toy gun then he would have deserved being shot? A sleeping ambulance worker? A handcuffed individual being kneeled on for 8+ minutes? a 33-year old handcuffed imigrant sodomized by police with a bathroom plunger? A 22-year old street vendor reaching for his wallet? A 22-year old lying facedown at Fruitville station? Numerous mentally ill? Selling cigarettes illegally? Stopped on the side of the road trying to fix a brake light? Mysteriously coming down with a fatal coma while being transported in a prison van?

Your first sentence also presupposed the idea that reaching into your car and disobeying the police is worth a death sentence. Many (myself and other developed nations included) would think that more training for police officers might be able to avoid some of these outcomes and allow a judge and jury to decide if someone needs to be killed, rather than a guy amped up on adrenaline. I would just point out that maybe, just maybe, you haven't had the lifetime experience of how some people are treated by police. That's why it's helpful to listen to others and their experiences, rather than just saying that your knowledge and history is the right one and anyone else is just wrong.

As for the second sentence, congrats, not all police are bad. All people are calling for is better policing and reforms that don't hide an officer's history of misconduct from the public.

I''m talking about what triggered a WI city being burned and countless sports protests. I don't think disobeying should be a death sentence. having a history, being a part of a domestic, having an open warrant, wrestling away from police once , ignoring commands to stop and then reaching into a car with a weapon, I can't say that a shooting is an unlikely outcome regardless of anyone's color.

But just reaching into a car, no, not a death sentence.

I didn't say mine is the right one. You'll see where I brought up Tamir earlier, had that situation unfolded in Kenosha, burn it, I don't care. but it wasn't what happened and the guy didn't just reach into his car either.

I've given my experiences before, i know some people are treated differently by police. No I don't have a life time of it. I'm a white middle aged male, I can barely have an opinion these days. I get it. But then many people haven't been a cop a day in their life either, doesn't stop them from having strong ones about how things should happen in the blink of an eye.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

I''m talking about what triggered a WI city being burned and countless sports protests. I don't think disobeying should be a death sentence. having a history, being a part of a domestic, having an open warrant, wrestling away from police once , ignoring commands to stop and then reaching into a car with a weapon, I can't say that a shooting is an unlikely outcome regardless of anyone's color.

But just reaching into a car, no, not a death sentence.

I didn't say mine is the right one. You'll see where I brought up Tamir earlier, had that situation unfolded in Kenosha, burn it, I don't care. but it wasn't what happened and the guy didn't just reach into his car either.

I've given my experiences before, i know some people are treated differently by police. No I don't have a life time of it. I'm a white middle aged male, I can barely have an opinion these days. I get it. But then many people haven't been a cop a day in their life either, doesn't stop them from having strong ones about how things should happen in the blink of an eye.

Again, the blink of an eye argument is out with Jacob Blake. It was ten seconds of them following him, weapons drawn, allowing him to open the door of his vehicle. Ten seconds where someone could have tackled his legs, tried to taze his legs, block his means of escape (the car door).

 

[Mondio]

Again, the blink of an eye argument is out with Jacob Blake. It was ten seconds of them following him, weapons drawn, allowing him to open the door of his vehicle. Ten seconds where someone could have tackled his legs, tried to taze his legs, block his means of escape (the car door).

have you ever "aimed" a taser?

I don't think you have a very realistic view of what happened. They deployed taser, not once, but twice. He had a weapon. He wrestled with an officer already as they tried to gain some compliance. The guy who took the video said he was wrestling with police before he started, that's why he wiped out his camera. It was reported he threw one officer in a headlock.

so yes, after confronting a party in a domestic call that is agitated, uncompliant, combative, has already assaulted an officer and broke free of custody and 2 taser attempts, absolutely YES when he dives into a car as an officer is trying to pull him back it was a blink of the eye moment. The video above shows you just how fast that changes.

 

[BrokenArrow]

it's everywhere. It's not just here. It's not always white and black either. It's this god or that. It's this country or that. It's orthodox or not. It's the mexicans or the gringos depending on who you are where you're at. Gypsies, try being one of them over in Europe. Good luck. it's everywhere.

It's also selective. The NBA LOVES to denigrate Americans on any little hint of possible racism. But they absolutely refuse to denounce China's treatment of Uighurs, including ******************s, slavery and executions. That goes specifically for Lebron James. Until he calls out China for their racism, he has no voice IMO.

 

[BrokenArrow]

IMO the worst kind of racism is shooting people in the back and letting white 17-year-olds sleep in their own beds after murdering people, when we know damn well their black or minority counterparts would have been dead in the street.

First, he didn't murder anyone. Second, he had his hands up as he approached police who likely did not know he was involved at that point. Third, he willfully turned himself in the next day. If a black person had done the exact same, he wouldn't have been shot either. Enough ********.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I've noticed that you're asking a lot of questions, I think the best place for you to get those answers may be at a night class. I would pay money to watch people react.

Better yet. Quit bowing to the alter of academia. Don't be a sheep.

 

[gopkrs]

Better yet. Quit bowing to the alter of academia. Don't be a sheep.

Maybe we could organize some kind of book burning on a grand scale.