Official studs and duds in Seattle 2018

[Sunshinepacker]

I think the thing that sucks the most to me is that I really do think that we are looking at a regime change next year. This may be good in the long run, but I highly doubt a new head coach is going to field a Super bowl winning team in the first or even second year. That means no real reason to look forward to next season either.

On the other hand, I think most highly doubt MM would field a Super Bowl winning team next year or the year after that either....soooooo, maybe it's a wash?

 

[PackerDNA]

Notice on Fackrell's 1 sack. It was a pure bull rush. It appears he's gotten a lot stronger physically. That and seeing things better and reacting quicker and better. It seems like the lights are finally come on for the young man, and I'm thinking Pettine has a lot to do with it.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I felt they should have gone for it too. The defense was gassed, sure you believe in them, but you're down on the line some big guys, you're down in the defensive backfield. They didn't even sniff slowing them down on the ensuing drive. Before they kicked, I thought we should be going for it. I know they want to keep it a 3 point game, but at some point your offense needs to do it's part. I guess it doesn't matter. Offense or defense needed to do it's part when it counts.

MM has a history in Seattle of not trusting his offense to get two yards....

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Fun stat for MM fans...the Seattle game was the 15th game since 2015 that the Packers entered the final 5 minutes of regulation with less than 2 timeouts (leads the league)! Now THAT'S the sign of a well coached team!

Doubt you can find this stat, but I bet over that time, the Packers also lead the league in using timeouts to save themselves 5 yards.

 

[swhitset]

On the other hand, I think most highly doubt MM would field a Super Bowl winning team next year or the year after that either....soooooo, maybe it's a wash?

Still no reason to be happy.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Yea I get to the fact that we had 12 men on the field, but to me that's more of a coaching error than player error. You don't follow up that error with another one. Yea if we lose at Minnesota it would probably take one more loss to seal his fate. I just hope we retain Pettine, Murphy can't be that dumb to let him go, he'll be a HC or DC for someone else immediately.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Still no reason to be happy.

I disagree, for the first time in three years I can look forward to the Packers being, perhaps, coached by a good (possible even great) coach; rather than the certainty of having an average/mediocre coach.

 

[swhitset]

I disagree, for the first time in three years I can look forward to the Packers being, perhaps, coached by a good (possible even great) coach; rather than the certainty of having an average/mediocre coach.

Keep looking forward to that.... it’s the only choice we have. I just hope whe don’t get another Mike Sherman.

 

[DarkHelmet]

I want to add one other dud: Thursday night football. It's a bad idea that should be scrapped. Terrible to put those guys out there on three days rest. I don't think it's a coincidence that our casualty list was high last night. The league is very stupid and short-sighted in many respects and Thursday night football is one of them.

 

[sschind]

This team is 2 great 4th quarter comebacks away from being 2-7-1 right now!!!!! with wins at home versus Bills and Dolphins...

Don't you mean they are 3 (insert whatever excuses you want here) away from being 7-2-1.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Keep looking forward to that.... it’s the only choice we have. I just hope whe don’t get another Mike Sherman.

My fingers are crossed for Lincoln Riley; however, so long as the packers bring in an offensive minded coach with creativity I'll be ecstatic; though I honestly would like a HC who will keep Petting as DC.

 

[sschind]

Apparently that's what this forum wants. To utilize the best qb on the planet to throw check downs like Alex Smith so that covers McCarthys 2009 offensive scheme and go 8-8 every year. Only aaron rodgers can play hero to make the offense look functional for 9 years even though the league has figured out how to defend it. 3 running back rotations, predictable play calling...You "fans" are criticizing the best qb green bay and the nfl will ever see. Everyone calling for rodgers head deserves to see what's out there after him. Can't wait to see the complaints when there's a ryan tannahill or brock osweiler under center in a few years.

And you all thought Aaron didn't get along with his brother.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm not sure what you're expecting? Besides a bad PI call against a very young kid who panicked and made a mistake, what was so bad about this 2ndary? and King was NOT on the field AGAIN. not for a single snap. Breeland when out early. This secondary besides Tramon is nothing but a bunch of kids and they're doing alright and looking better than alright a lot of the time too.

Without going through our whole conversation about Joe Whitt again, I will fully admit my wanting him fired is mostly fueled by the past failures he has had with the CB's. Yes, the secondary is playing better this year, but is that because of Joe Whitt or because of Mike Pettine and all the new players Gute brought in? Besides Sam Shields, I just don't see a lot of guys that Whitt has coached get better. Alexander, Jackson and King were all pretty good players when they arrived in Green Bay and I haven't seen any improvement from them, except maybe a bit from JA. The Packers have a total of 6 interceptions for the year and 3 of those belonged to Ha Ha.

 

[shockerx]

Offer HC to Pettine, says he doesnt want to be HC...but he would take it...its Green Bay!. Plus Pettine would be more fluid take over, outside guy would need a couple of years for turn around to happen.

 

[PackAttack12]

Don't you mean they are 3 (insert whatever excuses you want here) away from being 7-2-1.

You can obviously make the argument both ways. If Crosby doesn't miss the kicks against Detroit, if Clay doesn't get called for the roughing penalty, if Montgomery doesn't fumble, etc. But to me the alarming thing is to do it the opposite way and think what would have happened if Rodgers doesn't go all time great against the Bears and 49ers.

That's a scary thought.

 

[PackAttack12]

Offer HC to Pettine, says he doesnt want to be HC...but he would take it...its Green Bay!. Plus Pettine would be more fluid take over, outside guy would need a couple of years for turn around to happen.

I want Pettine in the precise role that he's in now. I have no interest in the Packers promoting him to head coach.

 

[shockerx]

I want Pettine in the precise role that he's in now. I have no interest in the Packers promoting him to head coach.

So your going to tell your brand new...HC he cant even choose his own defensive coordinator. better find a weak yes man for Gute to hire.

 

[PackAttack12]

So your going to tell your brand new...HC he cant even choose his own defensive coordinator. better find a weak yes man for Gute to hire.

It's quite a dilemma, make no mistake about it. I think Pettine is the real deal as a defensive coordinator though.

 

[sschind]

Alright, I think a good night's rest will hopefully make us feel better. I think a lot of us are emotional right now and understandably so. This game was ours for the taking and we blew it. We need to face reality now, that
A. Our division rivals have caught up to us, in just about all aspects. The days of straight up running with the division are gone now
B. We have been spoiled over the years of having Rodgers and it's uncommon to see us in this predicament with him.

Just because you are the best doesn't absolve you from taking criticism when it's well earned. I love Rodgers as much as the next guy, but my loyalty will always be to Green Bay first. There were plays to be made, but Rodgers either missed them, or disregarded them to go for the home run. It's not about being Alex Smith or some other mediocre qb, it's about taking what is given to you. You can't always go for the home run. Pick your spots. I've always defended Rodgers when I felt things weren't his fault, and I know good and well this team would be Buffalo without him. But with that being said I'm not blind enough to look away when he could've did things better. He'll be the first to tell you he needed to play better and that he missed open receivers. If our QB can criticize his game, why can't we?

I didn't see the miss to ESB (stupid yahoo streaming) but plays like that don't really bother me. I mean they do as I don't like to see them but I can say with 99.9% confidence that every single QB has missed a pass like that in his career, or if they haven't they will. Its the second part that bothers me. I just don't see the harm in taking the short pass if that is all the defense is giving you. I'd rather have a QB who goes 6-7 for 60 yards and a TD on every other drive than one who goes 1-2 for 60 yards and a TD on 1 out of 4.

As far as admitting he missed the open guy the whole world saw it (except me. Stupid Yahoo streaming) so there is not much he can say about that. Apparently him admitting he needs to play better doesn't involve him changing his game to throw the ball to the guys who are open for the short gain.

 

[sschind]

At least none of them were named "Mike McCarthy" when I woke up the next morning.

You're not counting that one in Philadelphia?

 

[sschind]

What's incredible is that if you really break down the mystifying decisions near the end down, they really served no purpose at all. Even if he wasn't certain on the Seattle non-catch, it was so late in the game that there was no harm to trying, it's not like we can take those challenges and put them in our pocket for next week. "It would waste a timeout?" We waste timeouts for every idiotic reason under the sun, and we wouldn't have lost it anyway.

And on the punt, there was almost no difference between failing on 4th, and punting. Either way if you give up 30 yards the game is going to be over. Even if you fail on 4th, if you give up a FG you're down 6 and Rodgers still has a chance for late heroics. No one wants to roll the dice on OT in Seattle anyway.

For a veteran coach of many years he has a confounding ability to analytically think on his feet.

He wanted to save that timeout in case we were faced with a 3rd and 12 and needed to call it to prevent a 3rd and 17 after a delay of game penalty.

 

[SoonerPack]

The check down requires pass protection to get through your reads people. Rodgers didn't have that luxury.

 

[sschind]

Fun stat for MM fans...the Seattle game was the 15th game since 2015 that the Packers entered the final 5 minutes of regulation with less than 2 timeouts (leads the league)! Now THAT'S the sign of a well coached team!

Is it MM or AR who calls the timeouts when the play clock runs down to 0 after the offense has been on the LOS for 15 seconds?

 

[sschind]

You can obviously make the argument both ways. If Crosby doesn't miss the kicks against Detroit, if Clay doesn't get called for the roughing penalty, if Montgomery doesn't fumble, etc. But to me the alarming thing is to do it the opposite way and think what would have happened if Rodgers doesn't go all time great against the Bears and 49ers.

That's a scary thought.

I agree. I was poking fun at all the people who point to the positive side and say things like I posted and ignore the opposite. Lets say half of every teams games can be said to turn on 1 or 2 plays so if a team goes 8-8 that means they are 8-16 plays away from being a 16-0...or 0-16 team which in reality means they are an 8-8 team.

 

[gbgary]

DUD: Rodgers! you could actually see Rodgers street-balling it in the huddle last night. "you run to the chevy and turn around", "everyone else go long." he's out of control. he killed his coach last night. it's over...he's a lame duck now. MM has his faults but Rodgers is uncoachable now.