Official GB vs Viks studs n duds

[Un4GivN]

Welcome back man. Wish it was under better circumstances.

Agreed! Good to see some familiar faces in the crowd yet.

 

[bigboypasses]

it seems that most of us agree that MM is done in Green Bay but now what? How do we get a O line to protect AAron?How do we get a secondary who can cover or tackle? How do we get a pass rusher? Mathews might be done..how do we replace him? Cobb is more than likely done. Graham is probably done. Baktiari and Bulaga can’t stay healthy..and please don’t tell me that we draft offensive linemen..if Rodgers has a rookie OLine he might be done also..

The way you combat a shaky O line is a 3 step drop and running slants. How often do you see MM call slants and drags? Just watch the Saints offense - Coaching staff designs plays to help get receivers/TE/RB open with mismatches. Not in GB. Packers have more than enough weapons with Adams, ESB, MVS, Jimmy Graham, Aaron Jones, and of course AR. Not once did the coaching staff try to change anything up.

J'Mon Moore has 1 catch for 10 yards this season. Absolutely pathetic for a 4th round receiver.

Jake Kumerow needs to be activated ASAP.

Below are the questions I would love for AR and MM to answer:

1) Why didn't they try and use Montgomery @ slot instead of giving him away for a useless 7th rounder?

2) Why don't we run more "bunch" formations? (Watch the Rams, Saints, Chiefs, Patriots)

3)Why does the offense consistently get to the line of scrimmage with 10 secs or less on the play clock? Rodgers has snapped the ball with 3 or less seconds 65% this season. That is insane.

4) Why does AR NEVER Audible. Look how many times Brady or Brees change the play based on the defense. Rodgers is so stubborn or overly confident that there is none of this.

5) Why on 3rd and <5 are we running plays that involve 10+ yard routes that take >4 seconds to develop? 70% of Rodgers sacks have occurred on 3rd down. Coaching staff still refuses to adjust.

6) Why did we go Run, Run, Pass on the first series just like we always do? Our D had a great stop... yet our Offense comes out lackadaisical and predictable as always. We come out flat to begin every game and at the start of 2nd half.

Misc) Look at what Taysom Hill is doing with the Saints. And i don't want to hear the excuse "Brees isn't Rodgers". Brees is having a historic year and yet the Saints STILL find a way to get Taysom Hill the football. He has shown he can be a playmaker in Preseason. This is exactly what's wrong with the Packers management. They are like the Old Grandpa who still thinks an old Cadillac Deville is still the best car out. They are afraid of change and they are stubborn AF.


I LOVED the misdirection pitch to Aaron Jones for the TD. This is one of the only times this year I have seen it. Then on the 4th and inches we run right up the middle which is rarely converted!

 

[Mondio]

please tell me you're not suggesting a misdirection pitch on that 4th down play against that defensive alignment would have been the "smart" play LOL

 

[Un4GivN]

The way you combat a shaky O line is a 3 step drop and running slants. How often do you see MM call slants and drags? Just watch the Saints offense - Coaching staff designs plays to help get receivers/TE/RB open with mismatches. Not in GB. Packers have more than enough weapons with Adams, ESB, MVS, Jimmy Graham, Aaron Jones, and of course AR. Not once did the coaching staff try to change anything up.

J'Mon Moore has 1 catch for 10 yards this season. Absolutely pathetic for a 4th round receiver.

Jake Kumerow needs to be activated ASAP.

Below are the questions I would love for AR and MM to answer:

1) Why didn't they try and use Montgomery @ slot instead of giving him away for a useless 7th rounder?

2) Why don't we run more "bunch" formations? (Watch the Rams, Saints, Chiefs, Patriots)

3)Why does the offense consistently get to the line of scrimmage with 10 secs or less on the play clock? Rodgers has snapped the ball with 3 or less seconds 65% this season. That is insane.

4) Why does AR NEVER Audible. Look how many times Brady or Brees change the play based on the defense. Rodgers is so stubborn or overly confident that there is none of this.

5) Why on 3rd and <5 are we running plays that involve 10+ yard routes that take >4 seconds to develop? 70% of Rodgers sacks have occurred on 3rd down. Coaching staff still refuses to adjust.

6) Why did we go Run, Run, Pass on the first series just like we always do? Our D had a great stop... yet our Offense comes out lackadaisical and predictable as always. We come out flat to begin every game and at the start of 2nd half.

Misc) Look at what Taysom Hill is doing with the Saints. And i don't want to hear the excuse "Brees isn't Rodgers". Brees is having a historic year and yet the Saints STILL find a way to get Taysom Hill the football. He has shown he can be a playmaker in Preseason. This is exactly what's wrong with the Packers management. They are like the Old Grandpa who still thinks an old Cadillac Deville is still the best car out. They are afraid of change and they are stubborn AF.


I LOVED the misdirection pitch to Aaron Jones for the TD. This is one of the only times this year I have seen it. Then on the 4th and inches we run right up the middle which is rarely converted!

1) Monte lost the locker room. It wasn't his play, and he would never be good enough to make up for what had happened.
2) They do, much more than in the past and Rodgers hasn't done great out of it.
3) This I don't know, I do find it funny it is just hitting mainstream this year though. They have been horrible at clock management together for years.
4) I don't think this is true.
5) Do you have examples of this. I doubt any pass scheme has passes that are only 10+ yards out. Again I don't think this is the reality, and though Aaron might not throw to these people the routes do exist.
6) a Bears Run run pass
b Vikings Pass Pass Run
c Redskins Pass Run Pass
d Bills Pass Run Pass
e Lions Run Run Pass
f 49ers Pass Run Run (Touchdown) First play was a 60 yard pass
g Rams Run Run Pass
h Patriots Run Pass Pass
i Dophins Pass Run Pass
j Seahawks Pass Run Run (Touchdown)
k Vikings Run Run Pass

So out of 11 games 4 are run run pass. Actually 4 were Pass run pass.... Maybe we shouldn't do that either! PASS PASS PASS they will never see it coming!

Honestly I think you are just frustrated which we all are. But there isn't many facts in your post at all.

 

[Puppydog31]

It’s time for a refreshing coaching change..but what really drove me nuts this year was how they found ways to lose..Mathews b.s. penalty, mason Crosby missed field goals, Montgomery’s run back,pass interferences, and now the latest one Tyrone Williams letting the ball bounce of his head..I wonder what plan they have to lose this week.

 

[Puppydog31]

The only teams that really beat Green Bay this year was New England and maybe Washington..all the other losses were just dumb mistakes on the packers that should have been coached and taught on the practice field.

 

[swhitset]

1) Monte lost the locker room. It wasn't his play, and he would never be good enough to make up for what had happened.
2) They do, much more than in the past and Rodgers hasn't done great out of it.
3) This I don't know, I do find it funny it is just hitting mainstream this year though. They have been horrible at clock management together for years.
4) I don't think this is true.
5) Do you have examples of this. I doubt any pass scheme has passes that are only 10+ yards out. Again I don't think this is the reality, and though Aaron might not throw to these people the routes do exist.
6) a Bears Run run pass
b Vikings Pass Pass Run
c Redskins Pass Run Pass
d Bills Pass Run Pass
e Lions Run Run Pass
f 49ers Pass Run Run (Touchdown) First play was a 60 yard pass
g Rams Run Run Pass
h Patriots Run Pass Pass
i Dophins Pass Run Pass
j Seahawks Pass Run Run (Touchdown)
k Vikings Run Run Pass

So out of 11 games 4 are run run pass. Actually 4 were Pass run pass.... Maybe we shouldn't do that either! PASS PASS PASS they will never see it coming!

Honestly I think you are just frustrated which we all are. But there isn't many facts in your post at all.

I love it ... you refute his post point by point ....using actual facts... and the response?... a red X lol... I’d say you win that one... waiting for my red X lol.

 

[bigboypasses]

1) Monte lost the locker room. It wasn't his play, and he would never be good enough to make up for what had happened.
2) They do, much more than in the past and Rodgers hasn't done great out of it.
3) This I don't know, I do find it funny it is just hitting mainstream this year though. They have been horrible at clock management together for years.
4) I don't think this is true.
5) Do you have examples of this. I doubt any pass scheme has passes that are only 10+ yards out. Again I don't think this is the reality, and though Aaron might not throw to these people the routes do exist.
6) a Bears Run run pass
b Vikings Pass Pass Run
c Redskins Pass Run Pass
d Bills Pass Run Pass
e Lions Run Run Pass
f 49ers Pass Run Run (Touchdown) First play was a 60 yard pass
g Rams Run Run Pass
h Patriots Run Pass Pass
i Dophins Pass Run Pass
j Seahawks Pass Run Run (Touchdown)
k Vikings Run Run Pass

So out of 11 games 4 are run run pass. Actually 4 were Pass run pass.... Maybe we shouldn't do that either! PASS PASS PASS they will never see it coming!

Honestly I think you are just frustrated which we all are. But there isn't many facts in your post at all.

There is a general consensus that the packers do not send guys in motion and that the offense is predicated on WR winning their one on one matchups. See Below

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/greg-jennings-on-packers-play-calling-mccarthy-and-rodgers-500

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/1...mike-mccarthy-aaron-rodgers-nfl-week-12-recap

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...ffensive-breakdowns-late-in-tie-with-vikings/

https://deadspin.com/mike-mccarthy-shouldnt-be-coaching-the-packers-anymore-1830660773
https://www.packersnews.com/story/s...-third-down-and-possible-solution/2082749002/



Three times Rodgers should have automatically Audibled.

Packers v Vikings wk2: 8:16 left in fourth quarter, 3rd-and-2, at MIN 12...... three receivers and one tight end – and tried to run it against a seven-man box. FAILED
Packers v Rams: From 1-yard line you hand off up the middle. The Rams have the best set of defensive tackles in the NFL.
Packers vs Vikings: 4th and inches

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Below are the questions I would love for AR and MM to answer:

Seems like that wasn't a list of questions that you really wanted answered, unless the answers were "you are right and we were wrong". They seem more like statements you want to make to AR and MM and why you think the offense has failed?

 

[swhitset]

It’s time for a refreshing coaching change..but what really drove me nuts this year was how they found ways to lose..Mathews b.s. penalty, mason Crosby missed field goals, Montgomery’s run back,pass interferences, and now the latest one Tyrone Williams letting the ball bounce of his head..I wonder what plan they have to lose this week.

his name is Tramon.

 

[Mondio]

because the talking heads say it is true, therefore it is. and if you can't run on a 7 man box for 2 yards, you're not very good. but should you think they still are, if you can't get 3 inches when you need to, you're one ugly woman.

 

[bigboypasses]

The only teams that really beat Green Bay this year was New England and maybe Washington..all the other losses were just dumb mistakes on the packers that should have been coached and taught on the practice field.

Are you serious?

Bears: We needed a miracle comeback to win
Vikings: could have easily lost on FG
Lions: Took their foot off the gas pedal. Sure - without Crosby missing 5 kicks we would have won... but Detroit outplayed GB and it wasn't close.
49ers: Again, we needed a miracle comeback to beat a team WITH A BACKUP QB & RB.

This team could just as easily be 2-9 as they could have been 9-2. Difference is good teams find a way to win and bad teams find a way to lose. This team is bad, very bad.

6 out of the 11 weeks the packers have trailed at halftime.

Blown Leads

Vikings: 20-7 lead after 3 QTRS

Seahawks: 14-3 lead in the first half

 

[bigboypasses]

Seems like that wasn't a list of questions that you really wanted answered, unless the answers were "you are right and we were wrong". They seem more like statements you want to make to AR and MM and why you think the offense has failed?

It is widely known that AR doesn't audible and that they don't use much motion or bunch formations. This isn't new. The run/run/pass is predicated on what the score is. I will put together how many times the Packers have run/run/pass when they have the leave. MM always gets conservative. 2015 NFC championship anyone?

 

[bigboypasses]

because the talking heads say it is true, therefore it is. and if you can't run on a 7 man box for 2 yards, you're not very good. but should you think they still are, if you can't get 3 inches when you need to, you're one ugly woman.

Packers have struggled running in short yardage situations, especially this year. Whether you should be able to or not is irrelevant. Packers simply cant. They had a 3rd and 2 and ran the ball twice when we are paying our QB 30m a year.

 

[swhitset]

It is widely known that AR doesn't audible and that they don't use much motion or bunch formations. This isn't new. The run/run/pass is predicated on what the score is. I will put together how many times the Packers have run/run/pass when they have the leave. MM always gets conservative. 2015 NFC championship anyone?

Lol widely known? Funny that I have always heard the opposite. As far as the bunch formations... if you had actually watched the games this year you would have seen that they have attempted a lot of them to very little success.

 

[Puppydog31]

Are you serious?

Bears: We needed a miracle comeback to win
Vikings: could have easily lost on FG
Lions: Took their foot off the gas pedal. Sure - without Crosby missing 5 kicks we would have won... but Detroit outplayed GB and it wasn't close.
49ers: Again, we needed a miracle comeback to beat a team WITH A BACKUP QB & RB.

This team could just as easily be 2-9 as they could have been 9-2. Difference is good teams find a way to win and bad teams find a way to lose. This team is bad, very bad.

6 out of the 11 weeks the packers have trailed at halftime.

Blown Leads

Vikings: 20-7 lead after 3 QTRS

Seahawks: 14-3 lead in the first half

Isn’t that my point?

 

[Puppydog31]

Are you serious?

Bears: We needed a miracle comeback to win
Vikings: could have easily lost on FG
Lions: Took their foot off the gas pedal. Sure - without Crosby missing 5 kicks we would have won... but Detroit outplayed GB and it wasn't close.
49ers: Again, we needed a miracle comeback to beat a team WITH A BACKUP QB & RB.

This team could just as easily be 2-9 as they could have been 9-2. Difference is good teams find a way to win and bad teams find a way to lose. This team is bad, very bad.

6 out of the 11 weeks the packers have trailed at halftime.

Blown Leads

Vikings: 20-7 lead after 3 QTRS

Seahawks: 14-3 lead in the first half

They found ways to lose..

 

[Mondio]

Packers have struggled running in short yardage situations, especially this year. Whether you should be able to or not is irrelevant. Packers simply cant. They had a 3rd and 2 and ran the ball twice when we are paying our QB 30m a year.

I know. and our 30 million dollar a year QB so badly missed 2 first downs with 2 yards to gain 2 weeks in a row, I might not call that play again. Passing ensures nothing

any team, suck or not suck, should be able to get 3 inches on a straight dive play.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I know. and our 30 million dollar a year QB so badly missed 2 first downs with 2 yards to gain 2 weeks in a row, I might not call that play again. Passing ensures nothing

any team, suck or not suck, should be able to get 3 inches on a straight dive play.

You guys are both right and while I can't remember which games, college and Pro that I watched Thursday-Sunday, I saw a lot of creativity in quite a few games, that was usually successful on 3rd/4th and short from many teams and I kept thinking "why don't the Packers do this stuff?"

I agree with you Mondio, the Packers "Should" be able to convert those 1st downs but they and other teams consistently don't and until they figure out a way to, it won't matter if they run up the middle or throw a 40 yard bomb, what they are doing isn't working.

 

[Forget Favre]

Studs: The fans for still sticking with and believing in this team through all these years through thick and thin.

Duds: The Packers for letting those fans down.

 

[brandon2348]

I'm wondering some things. Although it hasn't really been brought up as a factor, is 13 screws and a plate in his shoulder having any effect? Something I'm seeing more and more and articles the last couple of days and that I've been watching myself recently, has been Rodgers footwork. Very un like him.
Rex Ryan was asked yesterday what's wrong with Rogers in the Packers. He said the number one problem? He has no weapons to work with outside of Adams.

They dont have enough weapons because we've been living this "Let's build a championship defense" pipe dream that was never going to happen. IMO you take what you do best and become the best at it which in our case would be stacking the offense and putting fear in the opponent. Right now nobody fears us with the approach we have taken.

We could have guys like Coutland Sutton, Calvin Ridley and Jo Mixon just to name a few with a better and deeper offensive line to go with it. There has also been guys such as Josh Gordon that we could of pursued as well. Instead we keep drafting db's and other defensive players with high picks and it's been a huge failure for the most part. Out of all those picks we have Kenny Clark and a young talented rookie in Jaire Alexander to show for it. That's just not good enough.
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[Forget Favre]

They dont have enough weapons because we've been living this "Let's build a championship defense" pipe dream that was never going to happen. IMO you take what you do best and become the best at it which in our case would be stacking the offense and putting fear in the opponent. Right now nobody fears us with the approach we have taken.

We could have guys like Coutland Sutton, Calvin Ridley and Jo Mixon just to name a few with a better and deeper offensive line to go with it. There has also been guys such as Josh Gordon that we could of pursued as well. Instead we keep drafting db's and other defensive players with high picks and it's been a huge failure for the most part. Out of all those picks we have Kenny Clark and a young talented rookie in Jaire Alexander to show for it. That's just not good enough.
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I will never understand the business side of football and why they didn't keep Jordy.

 

[brandon2348]

I will never understand the business side of football and why they didn't keep Jordy.

I can understand moving on from Jordy(who is one of my favorite Packers of all time) but what I don't understand is living in fantasy land that G-Mo and day 3 pick rookies were gonna fill the need.

I talked at great length of this during the offseason and now the Wolf is on the door step. People were lying to themselves thinking Cobb and Allison would be healthy all year. If Adam's were to get hurt we would be completely dead in the water. The Jimmie Graham experiment turned out to be a bust and now were stuck with a mediocre offense.

 

[brandon2348]

Studs: The fans for still sticking with and believing in this team through all these years through thick and thin.
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Well you can get tickets for the Cards game for 50 dollars which I have never seen and I have been offered several tickets for free the past few days.

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

I can understand moving on from Jordy(who is one of my favorite Packers of all time) but what I don't understand is living in fantasy land that G-Mo and day 3 pick rookies were gonna fill the need.

I talked at great length of this during the offseason and now the Wolf is on the door step. People were lying to themselves thinking Cobb and Allison would be healthy all year. If Adam's were to get hurt we would be completely dead in the water. The Jimmie Graham experiment turned out to be a bust and now were stuck with a mediocre offense.

How does Brady do it year after year?