MLF O Scheme vs WR talent

[Schultz]

If this was 4-5 years ago, this would've been one of the best FA WR classes of all time.

However, presently I am uninspired.

This is a "well" I wouldn't go to until after the draft.

Regardless of contact and contract, I think GB should finish the draft and then makes some calls.

Most of these guys are coming off notable injuries, especially in the case of OBJ.

I would assume outside of Sanders, most of these vets are delusional when it comes to their current status.

Give these vets a contract now, and you risk tension down the road when it comes to roles, targets, and catches.

Example, you bring in Julio Jones and sign him before drafting...Olave.

Olave shows up ahead of schedule and is clearly the No.1

Jones feels slighted when the targets shift the rook's way, then what?

I think you draft the WRs of the future, build them up, and target the right vet or two, so they accept their roles upon signing the contract.

This makes a lot of sense. This reasoning makes me hope they sign Willie Snead pre-draft and then decide on what other type of receiver they need after the draft. Why do I like Snead? He is a vet, should be able to get him at vet minimum. He was a willing blocker in the run first Baltimore offense. He would be the perfect back up to Lazard. The 2nd more impactful FA signing would come after GB knows who they have drafted. IMO Snead would help more than Winfree, Taylor, Gafford and Blair.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This makes a lot of sense. This reasoning makes me hope they sign Willie Snead pre-draft and then decide on what other type of receiver they need after the draft. Why do I like Snead? He is a vet, should be able to get him at vet minimum. He was a willing blocker in the run first Baltimore offense. He would be the perfect back up to Lazard. The 2nd more impactful FA signing would come after GB knows who they have drafted. IMO Snead would help more than Winfree, Taylor, Gafford and Blair.

The Packers don't need more backups to Lazard, they need guys that can play better than Lazard. Willie Snead might have been a good signing a few years ago, but now we need to fill roster spots with WR's that either have the tools right NOW to be a starter or draft 1-3 rookies, that will take up roster spots as they develop.

You sign a much better player than Snead before the draft, while they are available, then build around that. If come August, you think you need a 5th or 6th WR to improve your depth, then you sign a guy like Snead.

 

[tynimiller]

The Packers don't need more backups to Lazard, they need guys that can play better than Lazard. Willie Snead might have been a good signing a few years ago, but now we need to fill roster spots with WR's that either have the tools right NOW to be a starter or draft 1-3 rookies, that will take up roster spots as they develop.

You sign a much better player than Snead before the draft, while they are available, then build around that. If come August, you think you need a 5th or 6th WR to improve your depth, then you sign a guy like Snead.

Not true entirely, a pure speed top end threat type guy is a piece which justifiably could be added behind Lazard - either draft or FA

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Not true entirely, a pure speed top end threat type guy is a piece which justifiably could be added behind Lazard - either draft or FA

Well Willie Snead is not THAT guy. What guy are you talking about, excluding draft picks, which was one of the reasons I said don't sign FA Jags before the draft, or before you clearly know what you have to work on after the draft.

My personal opinion, just adding a FA because he is fast, wouldn't do it for me. I could understand that if you already had 3 bonafide quality starts at WR and you were backfilling the roster. If Lazard, Cobb and Amari are all on the 53, that probably leaves you 3 spots to fill. If you sign a FA starter, that is 2 to fill. I don't see the Packers not drafting less than 2 WR's, that makes 6.

Right now the only type of "speed guy" I would sign, if he wasn't a bonafide starter, would be a return specialist. I would only be doing that if he was really good and I thought either Cobb or Amari probably won't make the roster.

 

[tynimiller]

Well Willie Snead is not THAT guy. What guy are you talking about, excluding draft picks, which was one of the reasons I said don't sign FA Jags before the draft, or before you clearly know what you have to work on after the draft.

My personal opinion, just adding a FA because he is fast, wouldn't do it for me. I could understand that if you already had 3 bonafide quality starts at WR and you were backfilling the roster. If Lazard, Cobb and Amari are all on the 53, that probably leaves you 3 spots to fill. If you sign a FA starter, that is 4. I don't see the Packers not drafting less than 2 WR's, that makes 6.

Right now the only type of "speed guy" I would sign, if he wasn't a bonafide starter, would be a return specialist. I would only be doing that if he was really good and I thought either Cobb or Amari probably won't make the roster.

For that specific role, I wait till after draft - only guy I like for the role is John Ross on minimum contract.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

For that specific role, I wait till after draft - only guy I like for the role is John Ross on minimum contract.

OK....so you sign Ross at vet minimum, small signing bonus, but not a guaranteed contract. Allowing the Packers to cut him in Sept. if they don't like what they see and there isn't room for him.

Who do you see on the WR depth chart come Sept, including Ross?

Currently, I see it as:

1. ???
2. ???/Lazard
3. Lazard/Cobb/Ross
4. Amari
5. 1-2 of the guys above or a rookie
6. 1-2 of the guys above or a rookie

 

[tynimiller]

OK....so you sign Ross at vet minimum, small signing bonus, but not a guaranteed contract. Allowing the Packers to cut him in Sept. if they don't like what they see and there isn't room for him.

Who do you see on the WR depth chart come Sept, including Ross?

Currently, I see it as:

1. ???
2. ???/Lazard
3. Lazard/Cobb/Ross
4. Amari
5. 1-2 of the guys above or a rookie
6. 1-2 of the guys above or a rookie

I was speaking specifically to your concept of don't add anyone beneath Lazard on the depth charts, overall we all know we are not going to sit still - whether that means multiple picks in the draft, FA moves, Trade or combination of all three.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I was speaking specifically to your concept of don't add anyone beneath Lazard on the depth charts, overall we all know we are not going to sit still - whether that means multiple picks in the draft, FA moves, Trade or combination of all three.

Right, but why make moves to add to the bottom of the depth chart, when you have plenty of guys already to fill that portion? While John Ross is a speedy guy, he hasn't really been much in the way of a receiver. I just don't see him as a starter.

How do you see the WR depth chart looking in Sept?

 

[tynimiller]

Right, but why make moves to add to the bottom of the depth chart, when you have plenty of guys already to fill that portion? While John Ross is a speedy guy, he hasn't really been much in the way of a receiver. I just don't see him as a starter.

How do you see the WR depth chart looking in Sept?

You only sign him as I said IF additions don’t offer the blow top end speed.

I one hundred percent expect minimum a FA or trade and high draft pick to be added minimum.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You only sign him as I said IF additions don’t offer the blow top end speed.

Right, it sounded like you were saying signing Ross now would be fine? What if you have a shot at drafting a speedy guy?

Not true entirely, a pure speed top end threat type guy is a piece which justifiably could be added behind Lazard - either draft or FA

 

[Sunshinepacker]

My guess right now is that the Packers draft Christian Watson as a guy that can grow into an elite receiver and possesses the kind of speed the Packers need. I think they go Burks over Olave because the Packers are big on the athletic profile of first rounders and Olave's weight puts him below what the Packers normally like. Burks has the physical attributes to be a dominant intermediate receiver AND an elite run blocker; run blocking is very important to MLF and I'm not sure that Olave's size is going to endear him to MLF. I throw Watson in there as well because his physical attributes have the potential to turn him into the best receiver in the draft. If the Packers use a first on Burks and a second on Watson, I would be optimistic that the receiving group might become very good by the playoffs next year.

 

[tynimiller]

Right, it sounded like you were saying signing Ross now would be fine? What if you have a shot at drafting a speedy guy?

I was merely saying either through draft or FA, which FA could even be after season starts honestly.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

which FA could even be after season starts honestly.

If the need weren't so great, as well as history pointing to a learning curve between receivers and Rodgers, I would agree. However, the Packers need to get this figured out before camps and get that chemistry established ASAP.

 

[tynimiller]

If the need weren't so great, as well as history pointing to a learning curve between receivers and Rodgers, I would agree. However, the Packers need to get this figured out before camps and get that chemistry established ASAP.

LOL I was merely saying I was not saying to do the Ross signing now, and merely illustrating that such a signing could even happen after draft. ANything WR related you get quite "knee jerky and twitchy" LOL

 

[Schultz]

The Packers don't need more backups to Lazard, they need guys that can play better than Lazard. Willie Snead might have been a good signing a few years ago, but now we need to fill roster spots with WR's that either have the tools right NOW to be a starter or draft 1-3 rookies, that will take up roster spots as they develop.

You sign a much better player than Snead before the draft, while they are available, then build around that. If come August, you think you need a 5th or 6th WR to improve your depth, then you sign a guy like Snead.

Well when that affordable mysterious FA starter that is better than Lazard magically appears I will be just as happy as you are.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

ANything WR related you get quite "knee jerky and twitchy" LOL

I feel like a coke addict that hasn't had a hit since 2014......yes, I want some good WR's and have put way too much thought into it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Well when that affordable mysterious FA starter that is better than Lazard magically appears I will be just as happy as you are.

There are a lot of Free Agent WR's better than Lazard. Now the problem is and why they are still available is...will they stay healthy or do they want too much money?

BTW Lazard is a Packer right now, but until his RFA tag expires on 4/22, or he signs a new contract with the Packers, he could be tendered by another team and the Packers would have to match the offer or lose him and get a 2nd rounder in exchange.

I am pretty confident that Gute will not go into training camp with just the current WR's and a couple of drafted and UDFA rookies.

 

[tynimiller]

Honestly I only see four clear WR FAs better than Lazard and a few that should be better possibly or equivalent.

Fuller, Landry, Hilton and Julio are clearly better.

Maybe better or equivalent: Green, Beasley, Cole, Watkins

OBJ is better but injured.

 

[Schultz]

Honestly I only see four clear WR FAs better than Lazard and a few that should be better possibly or equivalent.

Fuller, Landry, Hilton and Julio are clearly better.

Maybe better or equivalent: Green, Beasley, Cole, Watkins

OBJ is better but injured.

When I consider blocking, familiarity, both with the offense and with Rodgers I will only agree that Landry and Julio are better for the Packers. Depending on where this 2nd round pick is I would have no issue with letting Lazard sign with someone else.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Honestly I only see four clear WR FAs better than Lazard and a few that should be better possibly or equivalent.

Fuller, Landry, Hilton and Julio are clearly better.

Maybe better or equivalent: Green, Beasley, Cole, Watkins

OBJ is better but injured.

I'd put AB and Emmanuel Sanders on the "better than list." Let's also not forget about all the free agents that have already signed.

 

[tynimiller]

I'd put AB and Emmanuel Sanders on the "better than list." Let's also not forget about all the free agents that have already signed.

Why would I compare players that are not FAs??

Both AB and Sanders I don’t feel provide any more than Lazard can - he’s very efficient.

 

[AKCheese]

Ok right now going into 2022 Arrogant’s #1 target is (maybe) Lazzard… maybe. Wow, beautiful mystery LOL

 

[Poppa San]

Ok right now going into 2022 Arrogant’s #1 target is (maybe) Lazzard… maybe. Wow, beautiful mystery LOL

I'd put more towards it being Jones on the wheel route and screens.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I consider Lazard a decent #3 receiver but the Packers desperately need to add two players at the position that end up above him on the depth chart.

It's possible the team signs a WR like Ross as well to compete for a roster spot as well. You need to be aware that could result in Amari not making the team though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Why would I compare players that are not FAs??

I was looking at the big picture of who can or could have been signed to improve the WR group. As I said before, the longer Gute waits, the fewer players there are available or maybe better to say, few better options than what he currently has.