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That doesn't change the fact that Jones has already had some terrible drops this season.
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That doesn't change the fact that Jones has already had some terrible drops this season.
Does that even matter? He was WR in high school. That's what matters.
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I understand but so has the guys who actually play WR so......
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Does that even matter? He was WR in high school. That's what matters.
Or the fact that even full time WRs drop passes...who were actually also WRs in high school...smart guy.
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I'm pretty confident that Jones will continue to work on both his pass catching as well as his blocking skills. The man seems determined! I've seen RB's with worse hands.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...ones-pulls-in-diving-reception-for-first-down
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...ones-pulls-in-diving-reception-for-first-down
He is determined, i think he'll get better.
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I just hope the young man hangs on to the ball, and MM gives up on him if he has a turn over.
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I will say I love his enthusiasm. However, he got a quick talking to by AR at one point in Sundays Game. AJ had made a nice run, stood up and did his "first down hand motions and strut", meanwhile, AR was trying to line everyone up quick and Jones wasn't ready.
I think/hope you meant "doesn't" give up on him. I don't think Montgomery's fumble is what cost him his job in GB, if that was what you were referring to? I just think Monty was getting less and less productive, hurt often, better players on the depth chart ahead of him AND his inability to follow coaches instructions to down the ball in the endzone was the tipping point.
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Well, it WAS anyway.
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So perplexing. And frustrating.
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Looked good catching the ball in last nights debacle
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I don't find his game plans peculiar, just more like it's become the same approach week in and week out. This is a week to week league, and no you aren't going to have offensive success the entire season usually, but it sure seems like most other coaches change things up each week.
I mean, I will say I do think part of this same old same old does fall on Rodgers. He is a stubborn QB too just like old Favre was at the same age. There are definitely needless sacks he takes and I put some blame on him for not identifying blitzes the way he has in the past and zipping the ball into the space they came from. So do not get me wrong, there is definitely blame to stick on Rodgers for not changing his approach either.
But even so, that does not absolve our coaching staff for not doing more about this.
And btw, is it just me, or is MM running that ridiculous bunch WR set excessively this year? Where is his shotgun 5 WR empty set look? I swear I seen little to none of that except on a few occasions when AJ has been taken out of the backfield. But I swear, so much space on the field that could be used if he'd spread the receivers out more.
I mean, I will say I do think part of this same old same old does fall on Rodgers. He is a stubborn QB too just like old Favre was at the same age. There are definitely needless sacks he takes and I put some blame on him for not identifying blitzes the way he has in the past and zipping the ball into the space they came from. So do not get me wrong, there is definitely blame to stick on Rodgers for not changing his approach either.
But even so, that does not absolve our coaching staff for not doing more about this.
And btw, is it just me, or is MM running that ridiculous bunch WR set excessively this year? Where is his shotgun 5 WR empty set look? I swear I seen little to none of that except on a few occasions when AJ has been taken out of the backfield. But I swear, so much space on the field that could be used if he'd spread the receivers out more.
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That could be...but is it worth proving a point when your job is on the line?
I didn't see Lance Kendricks lose the number of (already limited) snaps he played after his arrest.
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I agree a 5 wide set can be intimidating...when all the receivers are healthy. Injuries to Allison and Cobb are limiting Rodgers' comfort zones. On scramble plays, which was probably 3/4 of the offensive plays, the rookies didn't come back to Rodgers to extend the drives.
I think the reason MM is keeping the receivers close in formation is because the O-Line isn't really that good. Bakh is a steady force, the others not so much. While, Bulaga is a walking infirmary, when he plays, he know his role and executes. I think the Guards and Center need to step up, because outside of the challenge the LA Rams posed, there's been too many rushes and pressures right up the middle, forcing Rodger's outside.
I don't know what's going on, but this game against Seattle didn't showcase the progression of St. Brown and MVS. I actually saw a slight regression. More than midway through the season, and the rooks aren't really looking comfortable out there.
Last year he lines them up in a formation that's too old school and predictable and needs to run bunch formations to "scheme" guys open. This year they group receivers up in bunch formations and he needs to spread them out. I'm not making this up LOL
anyway, we have Adams and 2 rookies, that's 3. to get to 4 we'd have to put another rookie who can't catch and Davis who was just activated off IR to get to 5. I'm not happy running that formation at all.
anyway, we have Adams and 2 rookies, that's 3. to get to 4 we'd have to put another rookie who can't catch and Davis who was just activated off IR to get to 5. I'm not happy running that formation at all.
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I really didn't feel last year was a year to make judgments. Scheme would have made no difference either way you ran it because Hundley is just a QB who is so stupid he is completely clueless on when to pull the trigger.
This year though, these bunch sets just seem to be causing the receivers to trip over each other. Also, I believe defense when they see bunch sets knows 80℅ of the time they gotta send everyone enmasse over there because it's going to be a quick WR screen with most the receivers serving as blockers.
As I said, Rodgers has his share of the blame when he won't gun the ball out quicker on a regular and hit the shorter passes more often. Someone be it MM or his teammates need to get him to do that more.
But at the same time, MM's bunch and stack formations especially with too many TEs in the kitchen are looking defective out there. I don't know who the clowns were who complained about spreading the WRs out too much, though I would guess they're the same McVay praisers who don't know that that's what he does.
I really do believe this offense is oversaturated with TEs and it's time to cut Kendricks and Lewis, make Tonyan and Graham the starters and grab more WRs so we can run more shotgun 5 wide, or shotgun 4 wide with Jones featured in draws or other passes because he has indeed now proven to be a better receiving RB than the now departed Monty.
This year though, these bunch sets just seem to be causing the receivers to trip over each other. Also, I believe defense when they see bunch sets knows 80℅ of the time they gotta send everyone enmasse over there because it's going to be a quick WR screen with most the receivers serving as blockers.
As I said, Rodgers has his share of the blame when he won't gun the ball out quicker on a regular and hit the shorter passes more often. Someone be it MM or his teammates need to get him to do that more.
But at the same time, MM's bunch and stack formations especially with too many TEs in the kitchen are looking defective out there. I don't know who the clowns were who complained about spreading the WRs out too much, though I would guess they're the same McVay praisers who don't know that that's what he does.
I really do believe this offense is oversaturated with TEs and it's time to cut Kendricks and Lewis, make Tonyan and Graham the starters and grab more WRs so we can run more shotgun 5 wide, or shotgun 4 wide with Jones featured in draws or other passes because he has indeed now proven to be a better receiving RB than the now departed Monty.
Graham has a broken thumb.
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I would think if they can still play QBs with broken fingers by putting gloves on them, TEs ought to have the same option.
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Ok I’m going to nip this right now. The offense IS NOT struggling because of the rookie WRs! The offense is struggling because the game plan isn’t great, the play calls are questionable, and because as much as MM claims he wants to run the ball? He doesn’t. That is why.
I just think the rookie WR will be fine....but its gonna be next year...as long as Rodgers does not shell shock them along the way. I think to many of us they look pretty good, but we miss alot...like do the sit down in coverage...continuing their routes or changing up due to coverage. its just hard for us to see those types of things. St Brown got the Rodger look thursday...i think he was supposed to stop his route in middle of field... and didnt. Right now TODAY on 3rd in goal from the 10, REDZONE if Rodgers had a choice between Rookie MVS or overpaid Graham, or over the hill Jordy. he would take Jordy every time for next 100 years.
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We have seen some of the same struggles when it was Adams, Cobb and Alison lining up. Sure it helps the offense to have all experienced guys on the field for every play, but to expect it, isn't being realistic. I'm happier with the progress of MVS than I thought i would see out of any of the 3 rookies and was nervous about starting a season with such little experience at the WR position, but I think there is more than just inexperience at play here.
don't recall Tonyan getting slammed for not coming back for the ball on the scramble drill. +6
up till the last few weeks, i have been pretty happy with what i see in the future at WR. they are going to be pretty good going forward. I think i change a little bit more on needing a faster dynamic type, like a young cobb. after watching more of rams, chiefs, bears, saints...im now for an early pick like Marquise Brown i think from Oklahoma... he reminds me of T. Hill from the chiefs. My gut says go edge OL safety, but i think Rodgers is lacking a top tier early pick WR. ugh.
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QBs aren't generally trying to grab guys to block them or run a route and catch a pass that might be thrown pretty hard while being tackled by a guy who is trying to strip the ball, which would be much easier if a person's fingers weren't working.
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