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[Pokerbrat2000]

Was Kendricks hurt at the combine when he ran his 40? The scouting profile says he ran a 4.75, but google says 4.57. I'm thinking he's more of a 4.5 guy though.

Not sure, but I kind of chuckle when people start talking about the 40 times that guys ran "years ago". With age and injuries, I wouldn't put much stock in them other than to say "right out of college this guy could run the 40 in....."

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

Not sure, but I kind of chuckle when people start talking about the 40 times that guys ran "years ago". With age and injuries, I wouldn't put much stock in them other than to say "right out of college this guy could run the 40 in....."

I agree. I just find it funny that there's such a discrepancy.

 

[sschind]

Right. If it's Bennett/Kendricks for Cook/Rodgers it's pretty much a wash.

I would agree but it is not Bennett/Kendricks for Cook/Rodgers it is Bennett for Cook/Kendricks/Rodgers. Bennett was signed as a replacement for Cook to be our number 1 TE. I think it was an improvement. Kendricks is taking the #2 TE position which was RR last year and I think that is an improvement (though maybe not much) and we still have RR.

Overall its far from a wash its a pretty significant upgrade.

 

[Dantés]

Not sure, but I kind of chuckle when people start talking about the 40 times that guys ran "years ago". With age and injuries, I wouldn't put much stock in them other than to say "right out of college this guy could run the 40 in....."

What's funnier is that he actually ran a 4.75 at the combine. The 4.57 was at his pro day. I don't really trust those times.

Don't get me wrong, he's a quality TE2 and can do plenty for the Pack in that role, but he isn't and really never has been a real speedster.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I would agree but it is not Bennett/Kendricks for Cook/Rodgers it is Bennett for Cook/Kendricks/Rodgers. Bennett was signed as a replacement for Cook to be our number 1 TE. I think it was an improvement. Kendricks is taking the #2 TE position which was RR last year and I think that is an improvement (though maybe not much) and we still have RR.

Overall its far from a wash its a pretty significant upgrade.

Your first sentence did not make sense, not to me anyway.

How much ball does the #3 TD get? Next to none. How about the #2? Not much more unless the #1 gets hurt.

Frankly, I don't know if Kendricks or Rodgers will end up the #2 TE, but we'll suppose it's Kendricks for the time being since Rodgers is so damn slow and can't block a lick. However, I wouldn't be shocked if either ends up getting released or pushed to #3 as a special teams contributor. What's the dead cap on Kendricks' contract anyway?

Guys with good athleticism who don't show much after several years, like Kendricks, start to look a lot more like athletes than football players.

Remember the Denver OLB FA signed last year, who's name escapes me? Some folks were kinda excited about him after he filled in credibly in the Super Bowl, especially given where the OLBs were headed in 2017 FA. The Packers did not find a fit and traded him. Buffalo was it? Was that a conditional pick? Did the Packers even get anything for him after all? Kendricks could be that guy. You cannot say he won't be until you see what he does in preseason.

So, we'll see what we shall see. One thing I'm confident of: you lose some speed with Bennett over Cook, but Bennett's a better route runner and a somewhat better run blocker. Cook was underrated in that regard. It's kind of a wash, yes.

 

[sschind]

Your first sentence did not make sense, not to me anyway.

How much ball does the #3 TD get? Next to none. How about the #2? Not much more unless the #1 gets hurt.

Frankly, I don't know if Kendricks or Rodgers will end up the #2 TE, but we'll suppose it's Kendricks for the time being since Rodgers is so damn slow and can't block a lick. However, I wouldn't be shocked if either ends up getting released or pushed to #3 as a special teams contributor. What's the dead cap on Kendricks' contract anyway?

Guys with good athleticism who don't show much after several years, like Kendricks, start to look a lot more like athletes than football players.

Remember the Denver OLB FA signed last year, who's name escapes me? Some folks were kinda excited about him after he filled in credibly in the Super Bowl, especially given where the OLBs were headed in 2017 FA. The Packers did not find a fit and traded him. Buffalo was it? Was that a conditional pick? Did the Packers even get anything for him after all? Kendricks could be that guy. You cannot say he won't be until you see what he does in preseason.

So, we'll see what we shall see. One thing I'm confident of: you lose some speed with Bennett over Cook, but Bennett's a better route runner and a somewhat better run blocker. Cook was underrated in that regard. It's kind of a wash, yes.

I'll try to explain, I admit it looked a little rough and perhaps I misinterpreted your post

Initially you said If it's Bennett/Kendricks for Cook/Rodgers it's pretty much a wash which I took as meaning Kendricks takes Cooks place on the roster. When I said it is Bennett for Cook/Kendricks/Rodgers I meant that Bennett took Cook's place on the roster and Kendricks takes Rodgers' place. In essence I was saying TE depth chart of Bennett/Kendricks/Rodgers is a significant upgrade over Cook/Rodgers/another journeyman which is what we would have been looking at if we would have signed Cook instead of Bennett and which is what I thought you were saying. I do agree that Rodgers and Kendricks could indeed switch spots between #2 and #3 and I agree it is pretty inconsequential. I disagree that that Bennett and Cook are a wash. I think Bennett is a pretty big upgrade.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[bgrice91]

So he signed a contract in which the terms are unavailable to the public?

 

[brandon2348]

Your first sentence did not make sense, not to me anyway.

How much ball does the #3 TD get? Next to none. How about the #2? Not much more unless the #1 gets hurt.

Frankly, I don't know if Kendricks or Rodgers will end up the #2 TE, but we'll suppose it's Kendricks for the time being since Rodgers is so damn slow and can't block a lick. However, I wouldn't be shocked if either ends up getting released or pushed to #3 as a special teams contributor. What's the dead cap on Kendricks' contract anyway?

Guys with good athleticism who don't show much after several years, like Kendricks, start to look a lot more like athletes than football players.

Remember the Denver OLB FA signed last year, who's name escapes me? Some folks were kinda excited about him after he filled in credibly in the Super Bowl, especially given where the OLBs were headed in 2017 FA. The Packers did not find a fit and traded him. Buffalo was it? Was that a conditional pick? Did the Packers even get anything for him after all? Kendricks could be that guy. You cannot say he won't be until you see what he does in preseason.

So, we'll see what we shall see. One thing I'm confident of: you lose some speed with Bennett over Cook, but Bennett's a better route runner and a somewhat better run blocker. Cook was underrated in that regard. It's kind of a wash, yes.

This is nothing like Larentee McCray getting signed last year and it's not even close. Kendricks had 50 catches for 500 yards with the worse QB in the NFL so he has "recent production". You can watch his tape and see that he still has speed. Way more speed then RR who looks like he has cement in his shoes.

Kendricks offers versatility that they didn't have. Not only as the no.2 TE but also with him and Bennett on the field at the same time. The two of them are gonna create "mayhem" and things will be wide open on the outside and also creating ideal match-ups for Monty out of backfield.

It's gonna be a game of "pick your poison" on who the opponents defense can cover.

A-Rodge has a plethora of weapons that rivals if not beats anything he has been given thus far.

There are lots of reasons to get excited here.

 

[swhitset]

I agree. I just find it funny that there's such a discrepancy.

lol that discrepancy is actually less than 2 tenths of a second.... I know we tend to focus on 40 times ... but I find it ironic that we consider somebody that can run a 4.3 to be a burner.... and somebody that runs a 4.8 (or exactly 1/2 of one second longer) to be slow..... honestly after 40 yards.... that extra 1/2 second isn't going to amount to much distance... and the 18 hundredths that we are talking about here mean even less.

 

[Poppa San]

So he signed a contract in which the terms are unavailable to the public?

Contract details come out slower over the weekend.

 

[Poppa San]

Really interesting 3&1 alignment options. Bennett / Kendricks / RR with Rip and Monty in the backfield. Power run formation. Split Monty and LK wide with MB and RR outside the tackles. What does the defense do?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Really interesting 3&1 alignment options. Bennett / Kendricks / RR with Rip and Monty in the backfield. Power run formation. Split Monty and LK wide with MB and RR outside the tackles. What does the defense do?

Roll over and let us go to the Super Bowl?

 

[longtimefan]

Contract details come out slower over the weekend.

Was told that Cook bragged to Lance how great the Packers are..as soon as the Packers made a respectful offer he snatched it up

 

[HardRightEdge]

I'll try to explain, I admit it looked a little rough and perhaps I misinterpreted your post

Initially you said If it's Bennett/Kendricks for Cook/Rodgers it's pretty much a wash which I took as meaning Kendricks takes Cooks place on the roster. When I said it is Bennett for Cook/Kendricks/Rodgers I meant that Bennett took Cook's place on the roster and Kendricks takes Rodgers' place. In essence I was saying TE depth chart of Bennett/Kendricks/Rodgers is a significant upgrade over Cook/Rodgers/another journeyman which is what we would have been looking at if we would have signed Cook instead of Bennett and which is what I thought you were saying. I do agree that Rodgers and Kendricks could indeed switch spots between #2 and #3 and I agree it is pretty inconsequential. I disagree that that Bennett and Cook are a wash. I think Bennett is a pretty big upgrade.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

As you know, I don't make any such agreements. That phrase is a transparent euphemism meaning, "I'd like to claim the last word."

I have little concern for who is or is not the #3 TE, and neither should you. So, like I said at the start, if we're to pencil in Kendricks at #2, its a swap of Bennett/Kendricks for Cook/Rodgers. That sure looks like a push to me and it should to you as well.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Really interesting 3&1 alignment options. Bennett / Kendricks / RR with Rip and Monty in the backfield. Power run formation. Split Monty and LK wide with MB and RR outside the tackles. What does the defense do?

Rodgers is a crap run blocker...chip or whiff is his stock in trade. The Packers have used that same short yardage play with Cook, Rodgers and Spriggs, and it didn't do squat. The defense brings 9 or 10 in the box and smothers it. Montgomery ain't Ahman Green, this line does not run block like that line, and this game is not that game anymore.

As for the highlighted passage above, let me just say I've restrained myself.

 

[HardRightEdge]

This is nothing like Larentee McCray getting signed last year and it's not even close. Kendricks had 50 catches for 500 yards with the worse QB in the NFL so he has "recent production". You can watch his tape and see that he still has speed. Way more speed then RR who looks like he has cement in his shoes.

Kendricks offers versatility that they didn't have. Not only as the no.2 TE but also with him and Bennett on the field at the same time. The two of them are gonna create "mayhem" and things will be wide open on the outside and also creating ideal match-ups for Monty out of backfield.

It's gonna be a game of "pick your poison" on who the opponents defense can cover.

A-Rodge has a plethora of weapons that rivals if not beats anything he has been given thus far.

There are lots of reasons to get excited here.

At least you didn't say we must agree to disagree.

 

[brandon2348]

At least you didn't say we must agree to disagree.

Lol. Here is some interesting ratings I found on TE's. Bennett is head and shoulders ahead of Cook. I take Kendricks QB situation with rams into account and I think he is gonna be last year's Cook in Green Bay. We're privileged to have both these guys. Kendricks also had other teams interested in him so he says.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te

 

[HardRightEdge]

Lol. Here is some interesting ratings I found on TE's. Bennett is head and shoulders ahead of Cook. I take Kendricks QB situation with rams into account and I think he is gonna be last year's Cook in Green Bay. We're privileged to have both these guys. Kendricks also had other teams interested in him so he says.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te

Those stats don't mean much considering Cook missed 6 games and was gimped up in a few others whereas Bennett played all 16. When healthy, the drop off from Cook to Bennett is pretty minimal in the great scheme of things. Frankly, in a LB match up, I'd take Cook. Simply put, he's faster than Bennett.

 

[AmishMafia]

lol that discrepancy is actually less than 2 tenths of a second.... I know we tend to focus on 40 times ... but I find it ironic that we consider somebody that can run a 4.3 to be a burner.... and somebody that runs a 4.8 (or exactly 1/2 of one second longer) to be slow..... honestly after 40 yards.... that extra 1/2 second isn't going to amount to much distance... and the 18 hundredths that we are talking about here mean even less.

Running a 40 in 4.5 sec mean 9 yards per second. So a 0.1 sec faster or slower translates to 2.7 feet. That can easily be the difference to being open or not.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Those stats don't mean much considering Cook missed 6 games and was gimped up in a few others whereas Bennett played all 16. When healthy, the drop off from Cook to Bennett is pretty minimal in the great scheme of things. Frankly, in a LB match up, I'd take Cook. Simply put, he's faster than Bennett.

I am pretty sure the injuries with cook are part of the issues. As are the drops. Cook may be a tougher match up do to his speed but Bennett's hands are far superior. Bennett is also a much better blocker. That needs to be factored in as well. Cook's speed is his only thing he has over Bennett. Bennett is better in every other facet

 

[brandon2348]

Those stats don't mean much considering Cook missed 6 games and was gimped up in a few others whereas Bennett played all 16. When healthy, the drop off from Cook to Bennett is pretty minimal in the great scheme of things. Frankly, in a LB match up, I'd take Cook. Simply put, he's faster than Bennett.

I like Cooks ability to stretch the field as well but that's why Kendricks was brought in. With him and Bennett we are way better off at TE then we have ever been.

Between them we got speed, red zone production and ability to block,

What the hell else do we need?

 

[HardRightEdge]

Running a 40 in 4.5 sec mean 9 yards per second. So a 0.1 sec faster or slower translates to 2.7 feet. That can easily be the difference to being open or not.

Absolutely. A yard of separation over 40 yards, or a foot of separation over 15 yards is huge in the NFL.

The NFL does not buy speed in some collective delusion.

If somebody's Money Ball calculations say buy a bunch of cheap 4.6 and 4.75 speed is the way to go, they better double check their math.

 

[swhitset]

Running a 40 in 4.5 sec mean 9 yards per second. So a 0.1 sec faster or slower translates to 2.7 feet. That can easily be the difference to being open or not.

Agreed.... as far as the hard math is concerned lol... but my real point is that most of these guys are close enough to each other that many other factors must also be taken into account. straight line speed is great.... but so is agility.... size... hands.... technique... scheme .... reaction time etc....

 

[HardRightEdge]

I like Cooks ability to stretch the field as well but that's why Kendricks was brought in. With him and Bennett we are way better off at TE then we have ever been.

Between them we got speed, red zone production and ability to block,

What the hell else do we need?

Bennett's a very good ball player but, bottom line, these two new guys are not game changers relative to who's gone (or might be gone).

To read the above commentaries, you'd think Bennett and Kendricks are the second coming of
Gronkowski / Hernandez in what was a TE/slot centric offense. Hell, Bennett played in a TE/slot-centric offense last season.

This is WR-centric offense, like it or lump it.

 

[brandon2348]

Bennett's a very good ball player but, bottom line, these two new guys are not game changers relative to who's gone (or might be gone).

To read the above commentaries, you'd think Bennett and Kendricks are the second coming of
Gronkowski / Hernandez in what was a TE/slot centric offense. Hell, Bennett played in a TE/slot-centric offense last season.

This is WR-centric offense, like it or lump it.

With Aaron Rodgers and whats in place they are "game changers".

You will see.