Justin Houston released, bring him to Green Bay???

[Fat Dogs]

I would be absolutely fine with the Packers signing Houston as long as they're absolutely convinced he will be able to perform at an elite level for several more years. Trey Flowers is the one I want Gutekunst to pursue at first though.



A player lining up offside happens significantly more often than a receiver ignoring his assignment to recover an onside kick. There was never a time in the NFL in which expected onside kicks had a success rate close to 25%.



I really don't care a lot about an edge rusher's ability to cover. For example, Ford has been only targeted 29 times when dropping into coverage in his career.

Do you care about stopping the run? Teams need all around football players and not just specialists with one skill. There is a reason that the Chiefs led the league in sacks but ranked 31st in total D. I do love Trey Flowers as a football player. He does it all. Has the ability to rush from the inside taking on double teams to free up other defenders. Both will cost around the same so I choose the latter if given a choice. That being said, please please please save that money and sign a safety. We are sitting in a great position to draft a high impact defender at #12.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Do you care about stopping the run? Teams need all around football players and not just specialists with one skill. There is a reason that the Chiefs led the league in sacks but ranked 31st in total D. I do love Trey Flowers as a football player. He does it all. Has the ability to rush from the inside taking on double teams to free up other defenders. Both will cost around the same so I choose the latter if given a choice. That being said, please please please save that money and sign a safety. We are sitting in a great position to draft a high impact defender at #12.

It's true that Ford would have to improve defending the run to justify spending a ton of money and a draft pick to acquire him. The Packers could afford to sign Flowers and a free safety in free agency.

 

[EvAn]

I'm not sold on Ford. The guy had one big year in his contract year. As he turned the corner or is that it.

Nick Perry 2.0

 

[thequick12]

I guess that the Packers would definitely have to give up one of those picks to trade for Ford.

Yeah i heard they want a 2nd for ford but I'm not sure I'd do it. Even if you didn't have to give up the pick I'm not sure I do it because ford is kinda one dimensional

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Yeah i heard they want a 2nd for ford but I'm not sure I'd do it. Even if you didn't have to give up the pick I'm not sure I do it because ford is kinda one dimensional

While that's true Ford would definitely be an asset as a pass rusher for the Packers.

 

[Pkrjones]

While that's true Ford would definitely be an asset as a pass rusher for the Packers.

Same can be said for: Flowers, Houston, P. Smith, Dante Fowler, Shaq Barrett or Z. Smith. We need one of them if GB wants to move-on from Perry (& CM3) to go with a higher round draft pick. More pressure from the front 7 will take the magnifier off of the DB's a bit for '19.

 

[pacmaniac]

There was never a time in the NFL in which expected onside kicks had a success rate close to 25%.

It was 23% in 2017.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

It was 23% in 2017.

I was talking about EXPECTED onside kicks though. While teams recovered a total 11 of 46 (21.2%) onside kicks in 2017 four of them were surprise ones.

In addition that season seems to be an outlier as teams successfully recovered only 7.7% of all onside kicks last season as well as 11.3% in 2016.

 

[pacmaniac]

I was talking about EXPECTED onside kicks though. While teams recovered a total 11 of 46 (21.2%) onside kicks in 2017 four of them were surprise ones.

In addition that season seems to be an outlier as teams successfully recovered only 7.7% of all onside kicks last season as well as 11.3% in 2016.

11 out of 46 is 23.9%. And how many total surprise attempts were there?

Obviously 2018 doesn't count, because the rules were changed to forbid running starts. That's why there was all the talk about the low number of onside recoveries last season, as opposed to in previous seasons.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

11 out of 46 is 23.9%. And how many total surprise attempts were there?

Obviously 2018 doesn't count, because the rules were changed to forbid running starts. That's why there was all the talk about the low number of onside recoveries last season, as opposed to in previous seasons.

My bad, there were 52 onside kick attempts in 2017 with 11 (21.2%) being recovered.

http://pfref.com/tiny/D5Gql

You can figure out on your own how many of them were surprise ones.

That number was still surprisingly high. As another example, in 2014 when Bostick muffed the onside kick only 6 out of 57 (10.5%) were recovered.

 

[Poppa San]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...f-an-era-chiefs-cut-veteran-lb-justin-houston

 

[sschind]

I don't know why but for some reason all this talk about Houston was making me think of Lamarr Houston and I was wondering what all the fuss was about.