Justin Houston released, bring him to Green Bay???

[Deleted member 6794]

I'm not sold on Ford. The guy had one big year in his contract year. As he turned the corner or is that it.

That question is extremely difficult to answer but new outside linebackers coach Mike Smith, who was his position coach last season in Kansas City, might have some inside information regarding it.

 

[ShockwaveRider]

Oh man, sign Dee Ford and / or Justin Houston and then draft Montez Sweat.

Whooooop.......I KNEW I should have brought a clean pair of underwear to work today.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Oh man, sign Dee Ford and / or Justin Houston and then draft Montez Sweat.

Just to clarify, with the Chiefs having franchise tagged Ford the Packers would have to trade for him.

 

[Snoops]

The Chiefs might be forced to release Houston before the start of the league year to fit Ford's franchise tag under the cap as they currently have only $10 million of cap space.

I agree the Packers shouldn't be interested in bringing him but might want to inquire about Ford's availability in a trade with Kansas City though.



The Packers still have to be smart about the salary cap though.

They mention a article on nfl.com that Dee Ford could possibly be had by a second round pick.

 

[HardRightEdge]

The Chiefs might be forced to release Houston before the start of the league year to fit Ford's franchise tag under the cap as they currently have only $10 million of cap space.

The Chief's $10 mil in cap space is after having franchised Ford. They may be looking to clear more space to add impact at another position.

I also can see the situation where leaking a story that he is being released, might make a potential trade partner flinch.

That might be the case. Leaking that Ford may be on the block could be phase II of the same ploy.

I'm not sold on Ford. The guy had one big year in his contract year. As he turned the corner or is that it.

That's the $85 million question. There is a lot of risk in this player. In any case, we'd have to assume an agreement in principal is in place on a long term deal before the Packers executed the trade, something like $17 mil/year over 5 years. Trading a good pick for one-and-done would be dumb.

Another note: Evidently it is a violation of the CBA to franchise a player with the intent of trading him. How that could be proven or enforced is anybody's guess.

 

[Pkrjones]

I'd rather sign Houston for maybe 3yr/$40Mil with years 1 & 2 guaranteed and minimal cap hit year 3 if he declines than trade a high pick AND have to pay Ford north of $15Mil/yr. over 4 or 5 years.

Houston has had hamstring issues lately so he'd fit right into GB .

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I'm in favor of the Packers adding a veteran presence at edge rusher but would prefer that player to be younger than Houston. Acho is an average player on the wrong side of 30 as well, therefore the team should pass on him.

So, no free agents 30 and above?

Is that a hard and fast rule for you?

 

[GleefulGary]

Ian Rapoport reports that it might take only a second round pick to acquire Ford. The Packers might be smart thinking hard about it.

Only??

 

[GleefulGary]

So, no free agents 30 and above?

Is that a hard and fast rule for you?

Captain only wants to sign young players, and only on "reasonable" deals.

Captain makes TT look like Daniel Snyder.

 

[pacmaniac]

Dee Ford is the guy who committed a blunder worse than Brandon Bostick.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Captain only wants to sign young players, and only on "reasonable" deals.

Captain makes TT look like Daniel Snyder.

I can't blame him for wanting that - That would be ideal.

Sometimes, though, an older player can help.....Julius Peppers comes to mind.

 

[GleefulGary]

I can't blame him for wanting that - That would be ideal.

Sometimes, though, an older player can help.....Julius Peppers comes to mind.

Everybody wants that. Realism is slightly important.

 

[Mondio]

I can't blame him for wanting that - That would be ideal.

Sometimes, though, an older player can help.....Julius Peppers comes to mind.

I admit, I haven't followed Houston's career that closely, but Peppers has always been incredibly durable and very productive year in and year out. If they thought Houston was in the same mold, and he'd have 3,4 productive years I'd be fine with it. Though if he doesn't and they pay an older guy like he was going to, we're sinking before we're swimming.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

A Catch-22 with guys like Houston. You can try and draft the next stud EDGE guy, but that doesn't always pan out or you overpay for one in Free Agency and that can backfire.

If the Packers are considering Houston, hopefully, the Chiefs are only parting ways due to Cap and change in defensive scheme. Packers have a great source to know more about Houston in new LB coach Mike Smith. I would put a lot of faith in Smith knowing if Houston still has gas in his tank and just how valuable he would be to the Packer defense.

With Matthews probably on his way out and Perry either gone or mostly injured and unreliable, I would be in favor of combining the 2 approaches to landing 2 decent EDGE players. Sign a guy like Houston and then still use your first pick on another one. If both work out, you have just drastically improved your defense, if only one is a winner, you are still better off.

 

[Pkrjones]

I understand that "ideally" GB wants a stud, free agent Edge rusher who is still in their 20's. Dee Ford (turns 28 this spring) might be available in trade costing a high-round pick AND $17+Mil/yr. Trey Flowers (turns 26 in preseason) is a FA but will command $17-$18Mil/year. Preston Smith is 26 and is expecting/hoping for an $11Mil/yr 4 or 5 yr. deal. Za'darius Smith is 27 and better inside rushing than on the edge but will still get $8-$9Mil/yr (I'm guessing) from somebody.

IMHO I'd rather pay Houston $12-$13Mil/yr for 3 years instead of Preston 4 or 5 yr. at $11Mil/yr OR $17+Mil for Flowers or Ford. GB needs multiple Edge rushers, need to land one in FA and one in the draft.

 

[brandon2348]

If it's true the Packers should get both Ford and Houston. The packers have a much better interior D-Line and secondary then the Chiefs so our D would rock.

Trade back and draft Johnathan Abram(FS) in late 1st and we would be set.

 

[GleefulGary]

If it's true the Packers should get both Ford and Houston. The packers have a much better interior D-Line and secondary then the Chiefs so our D would rock.

Trade back and draft Johnathan Abram(FS) in late 1st and we would be set.

Abram is a SS. He couldn't/shouldn't play FS in the league.

I'm also not sure we can afford to pay both Houston and Ford, and KC isn't going to get rid of both of them.

 

[brandon2348]

Abram is a SS. He couldn't/shouldn't play FS in the league.

I'm also not sure we can afford to pay both Houston and Ford, and KC isn't going to get rid of both of them.

Abram is versatile so he could be used in many different positions in various schemes. Get Abram and move Josh Jackson to free safety. If Jackson has second round talent he should surely be able to lock down the safety spot coming from corner.

 

[GleefulGary]

Abram is versatile so he could be used in many different positions in various schemes. Get Abram and move Josh Jackson to free safety. If Jackson has second round talent he should surely be able to lock down the safety spot coming from corner.

Uh no...Abram could not play FS. Coverage is am obvious weakness of his. Big hitter though.

Josh Jackson is awful at tackling. Moving him to safety just makes that concern more of an issue, and weakens us at CB. I don't get why we'd do that.

 

[brandon2348]

Uh no...Abram could not play FS. Coverage is am obvious weakness of his. Big hitter though.

Josh Jackson is awful at tackling. Moving him to safety just makes that concern more of an issue, and weakens us at CB. I don't get why we'd do that.

Then move Kevin King or Josh Jones there. They have multiple "TOP PICKS" with supposed "TOP TIER TALENT" in the secomdary. Out of all that top notch talent they should be able to develop a free safety.

 

[GleefulGary]

Then move Kevin King or Josh Jones there. They have multiple "TOP PICKS" with supposed "TOP TIER TALENT" in the secomdary. Out of all that top notch talent they should be able to develop a free safety.

Josh Jones is a SS. SS and FS's aren't interchangeable. CB's can't just be moved to safety.

I mean, I can't, or shouldn't take a slot WR and play them as an outside wr. I can't, or shouldn't, move a RB to WR in most circumstances.

You draft a FS to be a FS. This isn't rocket science man.

 

[brandon2348]

Josh Jones is a SS. SS and FS's aren't interchangeable. CB's can't just be moved to safety.

I mean, I can't, or shouldn't take a slot WR and play them as an outside wr. I can't, or shouldn't, move a RB to WR in most circumstances.

You draft a FS to be a FS. This isn't rocket science man.

The Seahawks move safeties and corners all around all the time. How come they have had success with it?


On other news it Looks like one of your FAVORITE GUY'S has Campbell going ahead of Hockenson. LOL.

I tried telling you he would jump after the combine. Hockenson is dropping like a rock.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-2019-nfl-mock-draft-20-cards-go-kyler-murray

 

[GleefulGary]

The Seahawks move safeties and corners all around all the time. How come they have had success with it?


On other news it Looks like one of your FAVORITE GUY'S has Campbell going ahead of Hockenson. LOL.

I tried telling you he would jump after the combine. Hockenson is dropping like a rock.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-2019-nfl-mock-draft-20-cards-go-kyler-murray

The Seahawks have done well because they've had the best single high FS in the game for a while. There is a reason Chancellor has struggled at SS when ET doesn't play. He changes their entire defense.

 

[OldSchool101]

I would be in favor of combining the 2 approaches to landing 2 decent EDGE players

This is exactly the approach I’ve been saying I would do. The same goes at OG. I’d double down at both positions. The better the FA signing? The more leash you get to move down the board a little. If we sign a proven guy like Houston, we have a little more leeway and can sign another pass rusher by #44 and not feel so pressed to get one out of the gate. Maybe get a guy like Parris to be Cobbs successor or go after Hock or Fant to be Graham’s successor etc..
If we sign a veteran Guard it would allow us to even go early day 3 range to get another solid prospect if necessary. This gives us a lot more latitude in who we go after with each selection.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I admit, I haven't followed Houston's career that closely, but Peppers has always been incredibly durable and very productive year in and year out. If they thought Houston was in the same mold, and he'd have 3,4 productive years I'd be fine with it. Though if he doesn't and they pay an older guy like he was going to, we're sinking before we're swimming.

FWIW, When Peppers signed with the Pack in 2014, he was 34. Houston, by contrast, just turned 30 this January.

I'm not saying that, by any means, Houston is a must sign for Green Bay. I am saying he's worth kicking the tires on....