It’s now OFFICIAL!!! Rodgers has been traded to the Jets.

[lambeaulambo]

Not going to flip flop..the sb was magic. Really enjoyed Rodgers back then - until he became who he is now. Amazing player...but not any more. Hard to see him go based on the whole of his tenure, but the last couple years made me want to vomit. Not seeing a sb in your future Jets - at all.

 

[Jayzee1981]

That’s a cool pic

 

[rmontro]

Don’t quote solely the part you agreed with. Rodgers was in the same struggle bucket.

Yes, I was agreeing. His accuracy seemed off last year. And I got tired of all the 40 yard passes on 3rd and short. Don't know for sure that was on Rodgers, but my hunch is that it was. Still, without the talent drop off and injuries, we likely would have made the playoffs. But been there, done that. Ultimately, we were probably spared another frustrating playoff loss.

I've read it a few times and don't understand it 100%, but looks like the cap hit is the same, but erases him from the books completely in 2024. All the Jets problem now.

Weren't we going to have to take a cap hit in 2024 as well? Maybe this alleviates that? Or they said Rodgers restructured his contract before leaving to ease our cap, maybe that's what did it? Anyway, clear as mud.

 

[rmontro]

Not going to flip flop..the sb was magic. Really enjoyed Rodgers back then - until he became who he is now.

Don't care about the off field stuff, never did. It doesn't affect me if he wants to sit in the dark for two days or whatever. These are pampered athletes, they're going to be entitled and egotistical. The Super Bowl was magic. My only regret was there wasn't another one afterward.

2011 was a fun year, but wow I am sick of losing in the playoffs to a Giants team with an inferior record, that's getting hot at just the right time to win the Super Bowl. Both Mannings, two Super Bowl wins. Favre and Rodgers, one each. Makes me sick.

 

[OldSchool101]

I’m trying to think of trade hauls that would from minor disappointing to lukewarm to majorly impressed.

Disappoint: 43, 2024-3rd

Lukewarm expectation
swap #13/15,
#42,
2024 3rd Rounder

Good job
42, 43/#78 swap
2024 4th

Great job
Swap 13/15
42, Late Day3 swap
2024-Day1


Totally impressive
#13 swapped for #116
2024-2nd

I think we scored “Great Job” Gute and likely just got his #26 overall back in 2024 draft capital that he spent on Jordan!

 

[Jayzee1981]

Just happy I get to see this draft live and in person. Buddy of mine works for Bleacher Nation and is head writer for NFL. Patrick Flowers. Just paid for airfare out of Chicago round trip and stay at an AB&B was free. Let’s hope OL or DE at 13! Happy for the future with this trade. Never had KC BBQ. Looking forward to that lol!

 

[Schultz]

It has nothing to do with run/pass splits. I never brought that up. Any QB worth his salt will option out of run plays. I obviously also never argued that his supporting cast was without fault.

But what we saw in 2022 resembled what we saw in 2019– a resistance to the design of the offense. That is, condensed sets, being under center, true play action, using motion. Those are hallmarks of LaFleur’s offense, there was a distinct move away from them in 2022, especially at the beginning of the season, right after Rodgers got paid, giving him leverage.

Also, the lack of Davante and injuries on the OL (which inarguably were factors last season) does not explain the dip we saw from Rodgers from 2017-2019 and then the two MVP seasons he posted when he embraced LaFleur’s offense in 2020 and 2021.

It’s just a plain fact that the only time we’ve seen great play from Rodgers with any kind of consistency over the last 6 years is when he embraced the system and played within it. The more he did that, the better. The less, the worse.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't have been hard to embrace the MLF offense in 2017 & 2018? As far as last year IMO both AR & to a certain extent MLF may not have felt the team had the personnel to run the MLF offense.

 

[Firethorn1001]

Weren't we going to have to take a cap hit in 2024 as well? Maybe this alleviates that? Or they said Rodgers restructured his contract before leaving to ease our cap, maybe that's what did it? Anyway, clear as mud.

I believe so, but the net of what they did is he is completely off the books in 2024. Still 40M-ish this year and they are still around $12M under the cap in 2023.

 

[Schultz]

Don’t quote solely the part you agreed with. Rodgers was in the same struggle bucket.

Wait! This new trend of telling people how to post is b.s. IMO.

 

[pacmaniac]

Interesting reason for Gute not reaching Rodgers. "Sorry you couldn't reach me, my house is so big and beautiful that I lose cell service in parts of it" (paraphrasing...)

Ok then.

It was nonsensical. He said that people need to FaceTime him instead of call him. You'd think that after 18 years with the Packers, they would have known about the FaceTime thing if it was true. So Gute was telling the truth after all.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Another thing to keep in mind-I believe the deal was done when it was done because the Jets are not finished doing what they need to appease their new star signal-caller. They have to go get him his amigo from out of Vegas.

The Raiders trading Adams would result in a total of $31.4 million of dead money counting against their cap. It don't see that happening.

There was no way we were going to get Jefferson in that draft. I doubt MN would be so accomodating.

The Packers could have traded up ahead of the Vikings though.

After assuming Rodgers' contract can NY even entertain going after FA WRs?

Yes, Rodgers currently counts only $1.165 million towards the Jets' cap.

Hackett had no control over Wilson, the restraints that had kept him from coming unraveled in Seattle were gone, Wilson leaned into all his worst tendencies, and the whole thing fell apart.

There are a lot of parallels. Rodgers has been partially hemmed in by LaFleur and his offense. He’s been stellar when he plays within it. He’s sucked when he leans back into his old hero ball habits. No his coach is his buddy who will probably let him do whatever he wants.

Please help me along, who was the offensive coordinator during Rodgers' two MVP seasons in 2020 and '21? In addition Stenavich seems to be a great offensive line coach but he struggled as an offensive coordinator last season.

Don't forget Aaron penchant for only throwing to receivers who run the correct routes and know the offense backward and forward.

Quarterbacks desperately need receivers to run the correct routes. Otherwise there's no way of them being able to target them on most plays.

It was nonsensical. He said that people need to FaceTime him instead of call him. You'd think that after 18 years with the Packers, they would have known about the FaceTime thing if it was true. So Gute was telling the truth after all.

Matt Schneidman, the guy who asked the question, made it pretty clear that Rodgers wasn't being serious about it.

 

[Mondio]

I think it's becoming obvious that if either party really wanted to be back or have him back it could have happened. I don't think either was terribly motivated to have #12 remain the QB. The whole thing sounds like Dad/son, husband/wife, etc that make plans but one pretends not to hear them calling that it's time to leave, but the one doing the calling would kind of rather go by themselves anyway and the other that "can't be reached" could easily have been available but made no effort to make themselves available either because they would have rather gone to the concert with their friends than go fishing up north for the weekend now that he's a teenager.

Things run their course and this has.

 

[longtimefan]

It was nonsensical. He said that people need to FaceTime him instead of call him. You'd think that after 18 years with the Packers, they would have known about the FaceTime thing if it was true. So Gute was telling the truth after all.

Jason Wilde has said aaron told him this a month ago and he doesn't understand why he doesn't get something to boost the service

 

[Pugger]

The Raiders trading Adams would result in a total of $31.4 million of dead money counting against their cap. It don't see that happening.



The Packers could have traded up ahead of the Vikings though.



Yes, Rodgers currently counts only $1.165 million towards the Jets' cap.



Please help me along, who was the offensive coordinator during Rodgers' two MVP seasons in 2020 and '21? In addition Stenavich seems to be a great offensive line coach but he struggled as an offensive coordinator last season.



Quarterbacks desperately need receivers to run the correct routes. Otherwise there's no way of them being able to target them on most plays.



Matt Schneidman, the guy who asked the question, made it pretty clear that Rodgers wasn't being serious about it.

Like I said above - the only way we could have moved up enough in that draft to get Jefferson we would have had to trade away almost all the remaining picks we had that year. There was zero chance of that happening.

 

[Dantés]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't have been hard to embrace the MLF offense in 2017 & 2018? As far as last year IMO both AR & to a certain extent MLF may not have felt the team had the personnel to run the MLF offense.

My point is that, apart from playing within the structure of LaFleur’s offense, Rodgers has not been great for several years. That was true when MLF was here and Rodgers wasn’t playing along, and it was true before MLF arrived.

 

[GBkrzygrl]

Just read Rodgers' Instagram message to Green Bay. Very classy of him.

I'm not an Instagram follower. Is there somewhere else I can see

Agreed. Rodgers has a tendency to play Hero Ball, which is what you get with the guy, good or bad. We saw too much of that last season IMO. He is no doubt going to be playing with a big old chip on his shoulder, as well as a lot of pressure from the NY media and fans. If things aren't going well, he's going to feel it tenfold of what he might have felt in GB.

It's interesting. Favre was struggling until MM came in put his foot down. Favre started playing better.

Aaron does better with direction and motivation. Right his ego seems to be his worst enemy. When he is allowed to do his own thing he dies not play as well.

 

[longtimefan]

Like I said above - the only way we could have moved up enough in that draft to get Jefferson we would have had to trade away almost all the remaining picks we had that year. There was zero chance of that happening.

They tried to trade for him

I posted the article

 

[Dantés]

Please help me along, who was the offensive coordinator during Rodgers' two MVP seasons in 2020 and '21? In addition Stenavich seems to be a great offensive line coach but he struggled as an offensive coordinator last season.

You know I am always eager to help!

It's obvious that the de facto offensive coordinator in Green Bay is the head coach. He designs the offense, its his system, he calls the plays. This ought to be clear, as Hackett had no background in the system before arriving to Green Bay and has had minimal success as an offensive coach apart from working under LaFleur. His job was essentially to help install each game plan and teach the system as he learned it from LaFleur. For some reason, fans and media have been very reticent to give LaFleur his due credit for what happened in 2020 and 2021. How on earth anyone would point to Hackett instead is absolutely beyond me.

Hackett arrived in Denver, said publicly that his goal was to accommodate Wilson's offensive preferences, they built the offense around how Wilson wanted to play, and it was an abject failure. It turned out that Wilson's preferences were at odds with what he can actually do well. Seattle had understood that and boxed him in.

Now you have a very similar situation. The way that Rodgers wants to play is not very advantageous for an offense anymore. Like so many QB's nearing the end of their careers, he wants to be in shotgun, eschew true play-action, keep the formations static, big brain the opposing defense, and make plays. After they drafted Love, LaFleur was able to coax him into playing within the structure of his offense, and he thrived. After his big pay-day, the leverage shifted and he pulled the offense back in his own direction. That was one major factor, of multiple (e.g. no Adams, OL injuries), that caused the offense to regress.

Now he's going to go play for an OC whose modus operandi is to let the QB do what he wants. Hackett is not going to reign Rodgers in, and the personnel in New York is not nearly good enough for Rodgers to go back to his old habits and be highly successful.

You watch. If Rodgers goes back to his old play style and really excels, I'll eat my words.

 

[OldSchool101]

Quarterbacks desperately need receivers to run the correct routes. Otherwise there's no way of them being able to target them on most plays.

I agree with this. That said Aaron is a crybaby personality. He absolutely got ignored with weapons later in his career, but he went about fixing that all wrong. He pouted and whined and internalized it instead of being a man and meeting with the FO and laying his concerns on the table and coming to an agreement or solution.
I see no evidence that ever happening nor has he or anyone eluded to such a “closed door” meeting. Until I see evidence of that? Aaron Rodgers handled this situation as bad or worse than anyone else he’s pointing fingers at.

He sure has simple relational difficulties for a guy that’s supposedly got it all together. He’s a Great QB but poor leader and I’m elated he’s not our problem. He’s definitely a problem and it’s Been on full display for better part of a decade. I wish him well, just not in GB. He’s not a Zebra, Aaron Rodgers can change. If I can change from a hellion? anyone can.

 

[gopkrs]

In addition Stenavich seems to be a great offensive line coach but he struggled as an offensive coordinator last season.

I'm concerned about this also. But maybe with a year of experience there and not so much internal problems; he'll make a big step forward. I still hope he keeps both his eyes on the O line though and steps in as necessary.

 

[PackAttack12]

It has nothing to do with run/pass splits. I never brought that up. Any QB worth his salt will option out of run plays. I obviously also never argued that his supporting cast was without fault.

But what we saw in 2022 resembled what we saw in 2019– a resistance to the design of the offense. That is, condensed sets, being under center, true play action, using motion. Those are hallmarks of LaFleur’s offense, there was a distinct move away from them in 2022, especially at the beginning of the season, right after Rodgers got paid, giving him leverage.

Also, the lack of Davante and injuries on the OL (which inarguably were factors last season) does not explain the dip we saw from Rodgers from 2017-2019 and then the two MVP seasons he posted when he embraced LaFleur’s offense in 2020 and 2021.

It’s just a plain fact that the only time we’ve seen great play from Rodgers with any kind of consistency over the last 6 years is when he embraced the system and played within it. The more he did that, the better. The less, the worse.

Rodgers was fine in 2017. Didn’t start out great (which he’s been known for in the past) but games 3, 4, and 5 before the collarbone injury he was outstanding.

I’ve mentioned many times that 2018 was just an awful year by his standards. It was clear that he and McCarthy were at odds and I think to some degree he mentally checked out.

You yourself mentioned that it would be impossible for him to play great in the first year of LaFleur’s offense. The receipts are there from what you posted back then. But now you have a different view on Rodgers so you’ve shifted your narrative.

I know I’ve beaten this dead horse quite a bit, but Kurt Warner’s breakdown of the Detroit tape really puts things into perspective on what I think was happening a lot throughout the season. To the naked eye, one could certainly make the argument that Rodgers was making poor throws. And to be fair, there were a ton of poor throws. But when you see Kurt break down a couple dozen offensive plays where guys clearly aren’t in the right spot, running the wrong route, not motioning when needed, misreading the leverage, etc., it highlights a much bigger issue with the offense than just the quarterback.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

As much criticism as I have laid on Rodgers the last 2 months, I am comfortable to say that had the relationship between him and the FO been better and some of the off the field negatives had not occurred, he's still the Packers starting QB. The relationship had finally run its course and soured, time to see what Love has and move forward.

 

[pizzle]

As much criticism as I have laid on Rodgers the last 2 months, I am comfortable to say that had the relationship between him and the FO been better and some of the off the field negatives had not occurred, he's still the Packers starting QB. The relationship had finally run its course and soured, time to see what Love has and move forward.

It's pretty simple

Aaron Rodgers never liked Brian Gutekunst

BG not only never bucked the system to draft a WR in the 1st/sign a top-flight vet in FA, he deliberately didn't reload the WR room after letting go of his guys

Rodgers knew BG was made the GM to be the bad cop, and ultimately to facilitate the Packers moving on from him

The only way for AR to still be the Packers' starting QB would have been to kiss BG's ***

That wasn't gonna happen

IIWII

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's pretty simple

Aaron Rodgers never liked Brian Gutekunst

BG not only never bucked the system to draft a WR in the 1st/sign a top-flight vet in FA, he deliberately didn't reload the WR room after letting go of his guys

Rodgers knew BG was made the GM to be the bad cop, and ultimately to facilitate the Packers moving on from him

The only way for AR to still be the Packers' starting QB would have been to kiss BG's ***

That wasn't gonna happen

IIWII

I agree that this is a "simple" way to look at it, but I don't agree that it explains everything that happened correctly.

I will also not debate that Gute did not do everything in his power to load up a ton of weapons for Rodgers, but that doesn't mean he didn't try. None of us have any idea of what Gute was trying or not trying to do behind the scenes.

A point that we sort of agree on, Gute did not effectively give Rodgers all the weapons he should have had, but I don't think it was Gute's way of thumbing his nose at Rodgers.

One thing I am quite sure of and it is where we differ quite a bit, Gute did not intentionally submarine Rodgers, just to replace him with Love. What Gute was doing, was looking ahead with a replacement plan, so if and when it was needed, it would be in place.

No doubt in my mind that their personalities conflicted, but both wanted the same thing, win Super Bowls.

 

[pizzle]

I agree that this is a "simple" way to look at it, but I don't agree that it explains everything that happened correctly.

I will also not debate that Gute did not do everything in his power to load up a ton of weapons for Rodgers, but that doesn't mean he didn't try. None of us have any idea of what Gute was trying or not trying to do behind the scenes.

A point that we sort of agree on, Gute did not effectively give Rodgers all the weapons he should have had, but I don't think it was Gute's way of thumbing his nose at Rodgers.

One thing I am quite sure of and it is where we differ quite a bit, Gute did not intentionally submarine Rodgers, just to replace him with Love. What Gute was doing, was looking ahead with a replacement plan, so if and when it was needed, it would be in place.

No doubt in my mind that their personalities conflicted, but both wanted the same thing, win Super Bowls.

I don't see it as convoluted

AR thinks BG is a d****e

BG thinks AR is a pompous diva that wants his way and doesn't know his place

Because BG is the GM-while placating to an extent because of AR's stellar play (B2B MVPs) and stature as a SB winning franchise QB-he still had more say on if/when AR is no longer the Packers' starter than AR did

He envisioned this scenario dozens of times in his head since Jan '18

More than 5 years later it finally came to fruition, and the p***k is finally out of the building

IIWII

We can agree to disagree though no biggie

At the end of the day Rodgers is gone-we're entering a new era

Let's just hope Love doesn't suck