It’s now OFFICIAL!!! Rodgers has been traded to the Jets.

[pacmaniac]

No clue, but I will be loving whomever our 4th straight FHOF QB is!

Let´s just make sure to trade Love right after he wins his one and only Super Bowl, instead of holding onto him for another ~10 years.

 

[Dantés]

One has to imagine that behind closed doors that the Jets offered Rodgers a lot of latitude when it comes to the offense. I agree that I think we see the worst in terms of Rodgers and doing whatever he wants when he wants. For example, the ole passing on running play calls that go flying by a WR with his hands help up after it zings by.

Now, don't get me wrong. I was on the side of keeping Rodgers due to him being our best shot at winning. However, now that the deal is over it does seem a recipe for disaster in New Jersey. Lazard is a gutsy player, but I still see him as a #3. My hope in all of this is Rodgers hits that 65% of plays mark and we get that coveted 1st round pick.

The only time Rodgers has been highly successful as an individual player over last 6 years or so has been when he has been cajoled into playing within the structure of LaFleur's offense. When LaFleur was hired, Rodgers either didn't embrace the offense or hadn't learned it well enough, or both, and the results were middling. Then they drafted Love, Rodgers leaned into LaFleur's scheme a lot more, and he won back to back MVP's. Last year, he pulled the offense back in the direction of his preferences, and he regressed.

 

[pacmaniac]

One has to imagine that behind closed doors that the Jets offered Rodgers a lot of latitude when it comes to the offense. I agree that I think we see the worst in terms of Rodgers and doing whatever he wants when he wants.

That is certainly possible, given that Robert Saleh is a defensive minded coach.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

One has to imagine that behind closed doors that the Jets offered Rodgers a lot of latitude when it comes to the offense. I agree that I think we see the worst in terms of Rodgers and doing whatever he wants when he wants.

Agreed. Rodgers has a tendency to play Hero Ball, which is what you get with the guy, good or bad. We saw too much of that last season IMO. He is no doubt going to be playing with a big old chip on his shoulder, as well as a lot of pressure from the NY media and fans. If things aren't going well, he's going to feel it tenfold of what he might have felt in GB.

 

[GBkrzygrl]

One thing I will be interested to watch, is how Rodgers meshes with a completely new offense. A big knock most of his career in GB was that it took him time to establish chemistry with his receivers. This is his opportunity to squash that criticism. While he is familiar with Allen Lazard, he will have to connect with the rest of the Jets WR's, TE's, RB's, as well as his new offensive line. Couple that with a new playbook and HC, I expect growing pains and lots of Rodgers eye rolls along the way.

Don't forget Aaron penchant for only throwing to receivers who run the correct routes and know the offense backward and forward.

 

[mradtke66]

The only time Rodgers has been highly successful as an individual player over last 6 years or so has been when he has been cajoled into playing within the structure of LaFleur's offense. When LaFleur was hired, Rodgers either didn't embrace the offense or hadn't learned it well enough, or both, and the results were middling. Then they drafted Love, Rodgers leaned into LaFleur's scheme a lot more, and he won back to back MVP's. Last year, he pulled the offense back in the direction of his preferences, and he regressed.

I dislike this argument. Not because it necessarily wrong, you could certain be right, BUT itt reads a little too much "Rodgers did a good, he must be following MLF's offense better," and conversely, "Rodgers did a bad, he must be going off-script and playing hero ball."

2019's middling results should have been predictable to general NFL fans. The Falcons and Matt Ryan showed us what would happen and it went almost too perfect. A long tenured veteran QB enters the Shanahan offense for the first time. Has a middling year one. Goes off and wins an MVP in year two. Such is the script for both Ryan and Rodgers.

I still place the majority of 2022 on the pass catchers rotting off. Yes, Rodgers a year older and with a broken thumb didn't help, but with new, poor-quality receivers, or both (looking at you Watkins) the pieces weren't there. They ran less motion, imo, because the receivers couldn't reliably do it properly. It doesn't just mean going in motion, I include whatever "stuff" they had to do as part of the play call.

In the interest of injecting the humor, I presume what happened on many plays is....

Rodgers breaks the huddle, a run play is called.
Team lines up.
Rodgers scans the defense.
"Aw crud, SS rolled into the box, FS is cheating up 3 yards. We do not have the numbers to block this. Check to the pass play." (NOTE: I consider this to be the correct decision.)
Ball is snapped.

Watkins decides to pick is nose, Rodgers looks elsewhere.
Doubs, being a 4th round rookie, loses at the release. Rodgers looks elsewhere.
Lazard blocks the cornerback in front of him.
Watson's hamstring gives Watson a wedgie. Hamstring dies. Twice.
Dillon or Jones perform yeoman's work blocking an extra rusher.

With few remaining options, Rodgers holds the ball because what else is he supposed to do?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Don't forget Aaron penchant for only throwing to receivers who run the correct routes and know the offense backward and forward.

Yup and this might be a way for him to "right that wrong" narrative or at least try and correct it, if it is true. Besides Lazard, these will all be new players to Rodgers and depending on what offense Hackett runs, that might be a bit of a learning curve for him too.

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[Pokerbrat2000]

I dislike this argument. Not because it necessarily wrong, you could certain be right, BUT itt reads a little too much "Rodgers did a good, he must be following MLF's offense better," and conversely, "Rodgers did a bad, he must be going off-script and playing hero ball."

2019's middling results should have been predictable to general NFL fans. The Falcons and Matt Ryan showed us what would happen and it went almost too perfect. A long tenured veteran QB enters the Shanahan offense for the first time. Has a middling year one. Goes off and wins an MVP in year two. Such is the script for both Ryan and Rodgers.

I still place the majority of 2022 on the pass catchers rotting off. Yes, Rodgers a year older and with a broken thumb didn't help, but with new, poor-quality receivers, or both (looking at you Watkins) the pieces weren't there. They ran less motion, imo, because the receivers couldn't reliably do it properly. It doesn't just mean going in motion, I include whatever "stuff" they had to do as part of the play call.

In the interest of injecting the humor, I presume what happened on many plays is....

Rodgers breaks the huddle, a run play is called.
Team lines up.
Rodgers scans the defense.
"Aw crud, SS rolled into the box, FS is cheating up 3 yards. We do not have the numbers to block this. Check to the pass play." (NOTE: I consider this to be the correct decision.)
Ball is snapped.

Watkins decides to pick is nose, Rodgers looks elsewhere.
Doubs, being a 4th round rookie, loses at the release. Rodgers looks elsewhere.
Lazard blocks the cornerback in front of him.
Watson's hamstring gives Watson a wedgie. Hamstring dies. Twice.
Dillon or Jones perform yeoman's work blocking an extra rusher.

With few remaining options, Rodgers holds the ball because what else is he supposed to do?

While I tend to agree with your very entertaining post, I also think too many times in his career, Rodgers did play hero ball. How many times a season did he frustrate us when he seemed to give up short first down producing plays and throw a long incompletion, going for the home run ball. That said, you have to take the good with the bad and Rodgers most definitely gave us way more good on the field than bad.

 

[mradtke66]

... I also think too many times in his career, Rodgers did play hero ball. How many times a season did he frustrate us when he seemed to give up short first down producing plays and throw a long incompletion, going for the home run ball.

I don't disagree with that, but in my head, that's a different category of criticism. I'm happy to admit I would grump at the TV when he he seemed to ignore an obvious open receiver.

Watching Kurt Warner's analysis videos softened my opinion. IMHO, why he'd seeming make the wrong decision. Some of them are his fault, some are the fault of others, and sometimes, they just pay the other guys too.

If the receiver is open, but ran the wrong route, he's not open because he's not where the QB is looking for him.

If the receiver was an early read, was covered, and got open late, the QB has to be able to get back to him. If the blocking doesn't give him that much time or ran into safety help, he's not as open as he appears.

Sometimes he'd just miss the open guy.

There's no one reason, but not hitting the short-open guy doesn't mean "hero ball" to me. That could just be his version of Favre taking a shot and throwing a bad pick.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't disagree with that, but in my head, that's a different category of criticism. I'm happy to admit I would grump at the TV when he he seemed to ignore an obvious open receiver.

Watching Kurt Warner's analysis videos softened my opinion. IMHO, why he'd seeming make the wrong decision. Some of them are his fault, some are the fault of others, and sometimes, they just pay the other guys too.

If the receiver is open, but ran the wrong route, he's not open because he's not where the QB is looking for him.

If the receiver was an early read, was covered, and got open late, the QB has to be able to get back to him. If the blocking doesn't give him that much time or ran into safety help, he's not as open as he appears.

Sometimes he'd just miss the open guy.

There's no one reason, but not hitting the short-open guy doesn't mean "hero ball" to me. That could just be his version of Favre taking a shot and throwing a bad pick.

Agreed. I spent enough time defending him over the years during some of those Monday morning, frame by frame, birds eye view analysis going around. Like I said, have to take the good with the bad and I still love what the guy could and did do on the field for the Packers.

 

[Dantés]

I dislike this argument. Not because it necessarily wrong, you could certain be right, BUT itt reads a little too much "Rodgers did a good, he must be following MLF's offense better," and conversely, "Rodgers did a bad, he must be going off-script and playing hero ball."

2019's middling results should have been predictable to general NFL fans. The Falcons and Matt Ryan showed us what would happen and it went almost too perfect. A long tenured veteran QB enters the Shanahan offense for the first time. Has a middling year one. Goes off and wins an MVP in year two. Such is the script for both Ryan and Rodgers.

I still place the majority of 2022 on the pass catchers rotting off. Yes, Rodgers a year older and with a broken thumb didn't help, but with new, poor-quality receivers, or both (looking at you Watkins) the pieces weren't there. They ran less motion, imo, because the receivers couldn't reliably do it properly. It doesn't just mean going in motion, I include whatever "stuff" they had to do as part of the play call.

In the interest of injecting the humor, I presume what happened on many plays is....

Rodgers breaks the huddle, a run play is called.
Team lines up.
Rodgers scans the defense.
"Aw crud, SS rolled into the box, FS is cheating up 3 yards. We do not have the numbers to block this. Check to the pass play." (NOTE: I consider this to be the correct decision.)
Ball is snapped.

Watkins decides to pick is nose, Rodgers looks elsewhere.
Doubs, being a 4th round rookie, loses at the release. Rodgers looks elsewhere.
Lazard blocks the cornerback in front of him.
Watson's hamstring gives Watson a wedgie. Hamstring dies. Twice.
Dillon or Jones perform yeoman's work blocking an extra rusher.

With few remaining options, Rodgers holds the ball because what else is he supposed to do?

I like the argument because I watched it unfold in real time.

 

[mradtke66]

Agreed. I spent enough time defending him over the years during some of those Monday morning, frame by frame, birds eye view analysis going around. Like I said, have to take the good with the bad and I still love what the guy could and did do on the field for the Packers.

Agreed. At passing up a 3 yard first down vs. a 15 yard shot is some of the most valid criticism one can level at Rodgers. If he had a serious flaw, that was it.

 

[tynimiller]

Lot of thoughts and discussions everywhere...

I fully expect the Jets to do well and if Rodgers stays healthy he is going to tear it up - BUT even if he does folks would be naive IMO to think that will justify the claim of something to the effect of "see we never should have traded him" thought. If after all these years you couldn't see the relationship between GB and Aaron had run its course I think you put on some massive blinders. It was time, it is sad, it sucks, it is a relief all rolled into one big massive burrito.

I expect Rodgers to possibly win his fifth MVP honestly...because there is not a single other QB in the league that plays better when he feels slighted or has a chip on his shoulder and even though I 100% believe him when he says he absolutely still loves Green Bay, he wants to at minimum showcase to many he isn't done, there is still some special football left in that tank.

I will not be rooting for the Jets or Rodgers, but I won't be mad when they win and I'll appreciate it when or if I see him or Lazard see success as I do when I watch former friends or colleagues succeed.

It was time though - and what GB does or what the NYJ do in 2023 will not change any of the facts that it was time sadly.

 

[PackAttack12]

I like the argument because I watched it unfold in real time.

I also watched other guys around him not doing their jobs either.

A broken thumb and fractured ribs doesn’t help as well.

The Packers passing play percentage this season was almost identical to 2020 and was lower than 2021. So this idea that Rodgers somehow went rogue and gave MLF the proverbial middle finger is one that I can’t buy into.

I respect your interpretation of what happened with the offense. But I’d migrate more toward no Davante, rookies having to step in, injuries to Rodgers himself, offensive line up and down, and then there’s Rodgers himself that just didn’t play as well as he is capable of.

 

[Dantés]

I also watched other guys around him not doing their jobs either.

A broken thumb and fractured ribs doesn’t help as well.

The Packers passing play percentage this season was almost identical to 2020 and was lower than 2021. So this idea that Rodgers somehow went rogue and gave MLF the proverbial middle finger is one that I can’t buy into.

I respect your interpretation of what happened with the offense. But I’d migrate more toward no Davante, rookies having to step in, injuries to Rodgers himself, offensive line up and down, and then there’s Rodgers himself that just didn’t play as well as he is capable of.

It has nothing to do with run/pass splits. I never brought that up. Any QB worth his salt will option out of run plays. I obviously also never argued that his supporting cast was without fault.

But what we saw in 2022 resembled what we saw in 2019– a resistance to the design of the offense. That is, condensed sets, being under center, true play action, using motion. Those are hallmarks of LaFleur’s offense, there was a distinct move away from them in 2022, especially at the beginning of the season, right after Rodgers got paid, giving him leverage.

Also, the lack of Davante and injuries on the OL (which inarguably were factors last season) does not explain the dip we saw from Rodgers from 2017-2019 and then the two MVP seasons he posted when he embraced LaFleur’s offense in 2020 and 2021.

It’s just a plain fact that the only time we’ve seen great play from Rodgers with any kind of consistency over the last 6 years is when he embraced the system and played within it. The more he did that, the better. The less, the worse.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If after all these years you couldn't see the relationship between GB and Aaron had run its course I think you put on some massive blinders. It was time, it is sad, it sucks, it is a relief all rolled into one big massive burrito.

That pretty much sums it up for me. Guessing it feels somewhat like what an amicable divorce can feel like. 2 people that can still be friends and good people individually, but just tired of the BS that each brings to the collective table.

 

[Firethorn1001]

Interesting reason for Gute not reaching Rodgers. "Sorry you couldn't reach me, my house is so big and beautiful that I lose cell service in parts of it" (paraphrasing...)

Ok then.

 

[AmishMafia]

Interesting reason for Gute not reaching Rodgers. "Sorry you couldn't reach me, my house is so big and beautiful that I lose cell service in parts of it" (paraphrasing...)

Ok then.

Apparently it's so big, he might not be in the portion of the house that has cell service to see he has a missed call for months.

 

[rmontro]

Then they drafted Love, Rodgers leaned into LaFleur's scheme a lot more, and he won back to back MVP's. Last year, he pulled the offense back in the direction of his preferences, and he regressed.

I think the lack of talent and injuries last year had more to do with his regression than a change of mindset. If he pulled the offense in the direction of his preferences, it was probably out of desperation. That doesn't make it the right thing to do, but I see it more as a symptom than a cause.

 

[tynimiller]

I think the lack of talent and injuries last year had more to do with his regression than a change of mindset. If he pulled the offense in the direction of his preferences, it was probably out of desperation. That doesn't make it the right thing to do, but I see it more as a symptom than a cause.

Fact is he wasn’t the best last year, excuses can be made but he was one factor in the struggle bucket.

Fact is his supporting cast struggled last year, excuses can be made but that was one factor in the struggle bucket…

You get the idea

 

[PikeBadger]

I think the lack of talent and injuries last year had more to do with his regression than a change of mindset. If he pulled the offense in the direction of his preferences, it was probably out of desperation. That doesn't make it the right thing to do, but I see it more as a symptom than a cause.

He must have had a whole rash of symptoms that lasted all season

 

[longtimefan]

This IMO is as good as Gute was going to get.

See ya Aaron. It was great having you all these years and I wish you success with the Jets--just not against us. Made following the Packers fun but i'm looking forward to see the page turned.

Well said

 

[rmontro]

So I hear the Jets have agreed to take on Rodgers contract. What does that mean for us exactly? Does that just save the organization some money, or does that actually take some of his salary cap burden off of us, and if so how much?

Fact is his supporting cast struggled last year, excuses can be made but that was one factor in the struggle bucket…

Yes.

 

[tynimiller]

So I hear the Jets have agreed to take on Rodgers contract. What does that mean for us exactly? Does that just save the organization some money, or does that actually take some of his salary cap burden off of us, and if so how much?


Yes.

Don’t quote solely the part you agreed with. Rodgers was in the same struggle bucket.

 

[Firethorn1001]

So I hear the Jets have agreed to take on Rodgers contract. What does that mean for us exactly? Does that just save the organization some money, or does that actually take some of his salary cap burden off of us, and if so how much?

I've read it a few times and don't understand it 100%, but looks like the cap hit is the same, but erases him from the books completely in 2024. All the Jets problem now.