It’s now OFFICIAL!!! Rodgers has been traded to the Jets.

[Pokerbrat2000]

We can agree to disagree though no biggie

Agreed

We aren't that far apart in our views, I just think that there is way more to the story than "Gute VS Rodgers".

 

[gopkrs]

I'm going to go back a little farther. When MM was running the offense well; everything was fine. Then, all of a sudden, nobody could get open. MM was sending receivers into the same areas...lot of problems. And MM could/would not change his style even though defenses had gotten his number. Rodgers got frustrated and since then has not been the same. He is a control freak. With all the talk about his sort of hippie ways; he does not flow with it. I think that has been a big problem. And no going back for Rodgers for now jimho.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm going to go back a little farther. When MM was running the offense well; everything was fine. Then, all of a sudden, nobody could get open. MM was sending receivers into the same areas...lot of problems. And MM could/would not change his style even though defenses had gotten his number. Rodgers got frustrated and since then has not been the same. He is a control freak. With all the talk about his sort of hippie ways; he does not flow with it. I think that has been a big problem. And no going back for Rodgers for now jimho.

Not sure if you are a Bucks fan, but we having the same kind of conversation in the Bucks thread. Giannis is a GREAT player, but they can become a very one dimensional team when he is on the court. It's up to the coach and ultimately the players to listen and follow, how to get the most out of everyone on the team.

 

[Dantés]

Rodgers was fine in 2017. Didn’t start out great (which he’s been known for in the past) but games 3, 4, and 5 before the collarbone injury he was outstanding.

I’ve mentioned many times that 2018 was just an awful year by his standards. It was clear that he and McCarthy were at odds and I think to some degree he mentally checked out.

You yourself mentioned that it would be impossible for him to play great in the first year of LaFleur’s offense. The receipts are there from what you posted back then. But now you have a different view on Rodgers so you’ve shifted your narrative.

I know I’ve beaten this dead horse quite a bit, but Kurt Warner’s breakdown of the Detroit tape really puts things into perspective on what I think was happening a lot throughout the season. To the naked eye, one could certainly make the argument that Rodgers was making poor throws. And to be fair, there were a ton of poor throws. But when you see Kurt break down a couple dozen offensive plays where guys clearly aren’t in the right spot, running the wrong route, not motioning when needed, misreading the leverage, etc., it highlights a much bigger issue with the offense than just the quarterback.

Rating and QBR, 2015-Present:

-2015: 15th, 14th
-2016: 4th, 4th
-2017: 8th, 7th
-2018: 13th, 17th
-2019: 12th, 20th
-2020: 1st, 1st
-2021: 1st, 1st
-2022: 15th, 27th

Rodgers ability to play at an elite level was eroding under McCarthy and the style of play that characterized his later tenure. It was revitalized when he embraced LaFleur's offense. It tailed off hard again in 2022 when he pulled it back in his direction. The contrasts are stark.

What I said coming off of 2019 is that it wasn't clear from the outside if Rodgers was resistant to LaFleur's offense or if he just hadn't had sufficient time to master it. I advocated giving it another year to draw a conclusion. He embraced it in 2020 and won back to back MVP's.

But perspectives develop with new data. Last off-season, he gained a bunch of leverage, signed a big new extension, complained and clearly used that leverage to pull the offense back in the direction that he prefers. It didn't work. Only when it became clear that the offense was basically inoperable did you see the hallmarks of LaFleur's system come back. In the first half of the season, there were analysts on Twitter openly wondering where LaFleur's offense disappeared to.

He is no longer capable of playing the style of offense that made him famous at an elite level. I don't know why that would surprise anyone. He turns 40 this year. He needs to be a cog in a system. The most important cog, no doubt, but a cog nonetheless. But I do not think he accepts this; he is supremely confident in his own abilities. That doesn't make him a bad person. But I think I know how it will play out in New York.

Finally, for some reason people can't seem to understand that this is not a binary issue. Nothing is 100% Rodgers' fault. Nowhere have I denied other issues, such as personnel or injuries. It's perfectly reasonable to say both of these things:

1) The way that Rodgers wants to play does not maximize his skills or his offense.

2) Rodgers' tendencies were not the only problems with the Green Bay offense last year.

 

[mradtke66]

Rodgers ability to play at an elite level was eroding under McCarthy and the style of play that characterized his later tenure. It was revitalized when he embraced LaFleur's offense. It tailed off hard again in 2022 when he pulled it back in his direction.

The only question is me is why the offense changed. You seem to be of the opinion that this is driven primarily or exclusively by Rodgers. How did you reach that conclusion? Why must it be a Rodgers going off script?

Could there be another reason?

I still firmly point to Watson being healthy as the catalyst. He shows up, plays well, and suddenly everything starts falling into place.

 

[OldSchool101]

Many good points.

Looking at both the Bills and Jets schedules. I fully Expect the Bills to slip back a game or two off 2022 to 12-5 area. If expecting (or wanting) the Jets to finish 7-10 we’ll be disappointed. I expect the Jets to get in the mix at 11-6 area.

 

[Zartan]

Glad hes someone else problem now.

 

[AmishMafia]

Best scenario, he has a chip on his shoulder from "being rejected" (in his mind) from the Packers. He works hard, listens to coaches, and is a good teammate. He develops a report with his WRs, helps foster their development and works with them to get on the same page. They play well early and fans get behind Rodgers and the team. Young Jets players develop into stars. Jets win the division and make a run to SB champs.

Worst scenario, he adopts an attitude of "I'm Aaron Rodgers, the GOAT, and we will be great because i am on the field". He expects the coaches to work for him and expects his receivers to know to do what he is thinking. The Jets struggle early because AR is not on the same page as the receivers. The NY fans will not make excuses for him like he is used to. Criticism will be harsh and his ego will take a big hit. He will struggle harder to make the really big play which spirals him down even further. Packers end up with NYs top 10 pick in the '24 draft.

I really could see either of these extremes happen.

 

[OldSchool101]

Best scenario, he has a chip on his shoulder from "being rejected" (in his mind) from the Packers. He works hard, listens to coaches, and is a good teammate. He develops a report with his WRs, helps foster their development and works with them to get on the same page. They play well early and fans get behind Rodgers and the team. Young Jets players develop into stars. Jets win the division and make a run to SB champs.

Worst scenario, he adopts an attitude of "I'm Aaron Rodgers, the GOAT, and we will be great because i am on the field". He expects the coaches to work for him and expects his receivers to know to do what he is thinking. The Jets struggle early because AR is not on the same page as the receivers. The NY fans will not make excuses for him like he is used to. Criticism will be harsh and his ego will take a big hit. He will struggle harder to make the really big play which spirals him down even further. Packers end up with NYs top 10 pick in the '24 draft.

I really could see either of these extremes happen.

I agree with you that this season is polarizing for the Jets. However the Jets having a bad season would be
6-7 Wins minimum. Really more like 7-8 Wins and missing playoffs. So I respectfully disagree on a Top 10 selection.

To your point Amish I agree in a sense. I can see NY making it to an AFC game without using too much imagination. I can see them finishing 8-9 without too much imagination. The chances of the Jets regressing off a 7 Win season (without injury) is very minimal.
My guess on the over/under is a 10-7 record and Wildcard birth.
If the Jets were a draft prospect they are a medium-high floor and Medium high ceiling.


Our draft pick will more realistically fall between #15-#30 overall. If we get inside a top #20 overall we totally murdered NY on this trade. If we get #13 next season I’ll kiss Captain.. again!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Our draft pick will more realistically fall between #15-#30 overall. If we get inside a top #20 overall we totally murdered NY on this trade.

Probably correct. Although I am pulling for a 1-16 season for the Jets.

I would have preferred that the 2024 pick not be tied to snaps, but to some type of performance while he played, i.e. what he provided the Jets while on the field. He could be playing like an MVP and get injured 6 games in and never see another snap in 2023. Something like that, doesn't make it a bad value trade for the Jets, just bad luck, which gets passed on to the Packers.

At least the worst it can be is a 2nd round pick and if he doesn't see significant snaps, probably a high 2nd rounder.

 

[OldSchool101]

Probably correct. Although I am pulling for a 1-16 season for the Jets.

I would have preferred that the 2024 pick not be tied to snaps, but to some type of performance while he played, i.e. what he provided the Jets while on the field. He could be playing like an MVP and get injured 6 games in and never see another snap in 2023. Something like that, doesn't make it a bad value trade for the Jets, just bad luck, which gets passed on to the Packers.

At least the worst it can be is a 2nd round pick and if he doesn't see significant snaps, probably a high 2nd rounder.

Listen we can agree that you and I and any true Packer fan wants #1 overall. We also know his probability is He’s not going to miss exactly 6 games. He’ll either miss a Half season+ we get #46 or he’s going to play and we get #26

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Listen we can agree that you and I and any true Packer fan wants #1 overall.

So you're telling me that its OK for the Jets to tank, when there are only 5 games to go and they are almost mathematically out of the playoffs?

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[OldSchool101]

So you're telling me that its OK for the Jets to tank, when there are only 5 games to go and they are almost mathematically out of the playoffs?

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Yes!! There’s always a chance. Keep hanging in there baby!

About as good a chance as George Kastanza Hooking up with Paige Spiranic

 

[Firethorn1001]

Probably correct. Although I am pulling for a 1-16 season for the Jets.

Who are you hoping they beat?

 

[rmontro]

I believe so, but the net of what they did is he is completely off the books in 2024. Still 40M-ish this year and they are still around $12M under the cap in 2023.

As long as he's off the books completely by next year, I'm happy. We can eat a season if we have to while Love learns the ropes.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes!! There’s always a chance. Keep hanging in there baby!

About as good a chance as George Kastanza Hooking up with Paige Spiranic

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[Pokerbrat2000]

Who are you hoping they beat?

The Cowboys....That would make A-Rod happy, beating Big Mike.

 

[OldSchool101]

As long as he's off the books completely by next year, I'm happy. We can eat a season if we have to while Love learns the ropes.

Especially after what many if talked about recently. We were talking a 2-3 years just to get Cap relevant.

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he was in the pool alright. But apparently Spiranic wasn’t!

 

[lambeaulambo]

Not many seem to be pointing to the fact that Rodgers had 3 opportunities to win in crunch time and folded like a lawn chair. Thats his legacy now. If he reverses it in NY great - the proof is in the pudding. It just reenforces that he is a great player with a huge inferiority complex.

 

[Spanky]

Not many seem to be pointing to the fact that Rodgers had 3 opportunities to win in crunch time and folded like a lawn chair. Thats his legacy now.

His legacy is Super Bowl winning QB, 4 time MVP, and first ballot Hall of Famer.

 

[milani]

His legacy is Super Bowl winning QB, 4 time MVP, and first ballot Hall of Famer.

To think Eli won 2 and he could not. A shame.

 

[longtimefan]

His legacy is Super Bowl winning QB, 4 time MVP, and first ballot Hall of Famer.

Best pure passer and smartest and also only one SB

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Best scenario, he has a chip on his shoulder from "being rejected" (in his mind) from the Packers. He works hard, listens to coaches, and is a good teammate. He develops a report with his WRs, helps foster their development and works with them to get on the same page. They play well early and fans get behind Rodgers and the team. Young Jets players develop into stars. Jets win the division and make a run to SB champs.

Worst scenario, he adopts an attitude of "I'm Aaron Rodgers, the GOAT, and we will be great because i am on the field". He expects the coaches to work for him and expects his receivers to know to do what he is thinking. The Jets struggle early because AR is not on the same page as the receivers. The NY fans will not make excuses for him like he is used to. Criticism will be harsh and his ego will take a big hit. He will struggle harder to make the really big play which spirals him down even further. Packers end up with NYs top 10 pick in the '24 draft.

I really could see either of these extremes happen.

Think it`s likely to be the second as humility isn`t his greatest attribute.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

His legacy is Super Bowl winning QB, 4 time MVP, and first ballot Hall of Famer.

I`m hoping this wasn`t a SERIOUS reply ?

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

The Cowboys....That would make A-Rod happy, beating Big Mike.

I never thought
i`d be wearing a stetson THAT day.....lol