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Yeah but to make an assertion like he's making, there needs to be a foundation for that.
Is Aaron Rodgers the best Packer QB of all time ?
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So to clarify, your assertion is that his leadership issues have caused problems for the Packers, or not?
Leadership is knowing that things are going the wrong direction, and showing confidence in your team that you think they can get the job done, even when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. You have to remember, you can call it 4-6, but it was really 0-4, given that the team started 4-2 on the season whenever Rodgers was supposedly awful, by his standards. And during the 4 game losing streak, the defense gave up 38 points per game. Now after a certain point, you can't just expect for things to get better. So Rodgers put himself out there, showed the ultimate confidence in his team with the comment that he made, and now here we are.
What "cheap shots" has Rodgers taken this season on a teammate? Because I do not recall them, and I think that I have watched all of his postgame pressers. Maybe I missed one.
But what I can assure you is that there isn't a loss this season where Rodgers hasn't said "I need to play better". That I know for sure.
And by the way - you're telling me that Manning and/or Brady have never called a player by name, or showed them up on the field before? Brady is the first one to get visibly angry on the field and yell at a teammate for missing a block, or running the wrong route. That's not showing up a teammate? Peyton was the world's worst about blaming the his offensive line, his receivers, the running back, the defense, the coach, the popcorn boy, the guy selling beer, the 400 pound guy in section 112 with his shirt off, etc.
Like I said, Rodgers has done nothing that is outside of anything that any elite quarterback as done. And I will choose to believe that the knocks on his leadership are baseless, until I have evidence to the contrary. Because all that I am seeing are good things. Just my 2 cents.
He came across as this was a proven fact
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Okay I take your point, but people DO see differently is all I`m saying. Did you ever see Americas Game the year after our Superbowl win ? It was interesting to hear Rodgers view of where he was taken in the draft. Now again, it`s purely a personal opinion or observation, but he believed he would be taken in the first round, and always wanted to be a 49er. It was his childhood dream, which was fair enough, but as I watched it, he came across quite arrogant. Purely my view I would stress. Now I know it`s purely my opinion, but I`ve watched his body language in some of our worse moments and shooting people the evil eye, or even rolling your eyes, doesn`t look like you`re a team leader, or inspiring your players around you. Again just my opinion, but I`m being brutally honest here.
It`s well known that my opinion of Favre isn`t very high after his tricks, but by God that man was a team leader !!
It may just be a British thing, but that's how I view it. That`s why I get annoyed when people say the TEAM are denying Rodgers another championship. HE is just as guilty of not getting it done when it matters. It`s a team game.
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This is a fair response, and I can understand where you are coming from.
But I'll ask you the same question that I asked another poster. Do you feel as if Rodgers' attitude, demeanor, arrogance, etc. has effected this team in a negative way? If not, my personal opinion is that it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Now if you do feel as if his attitude effects the team, then that's a whole different ball game.
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I honestly believe it HAS in the past. I almost choke even saying it, but Favre set the bar high for me. Watch the Washington one about Doug Williams, that nearly had me in tears.
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Cut the guy some slack, he is friends with Jay "Frumpy" Cutler. Your friends always rub off on you!
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But that just shows A J has some class. Personally I always liked the guy. He became a liability, but I honestly gave his all as a Packer.
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Has Sitton bad mouthed the team since he left ?? I haven`t seen anything over here.
And its his what.... Opinion Rodgers is a good leader..
Just like Jennings (I don't trust it) says he isn't.. Finely s opinion is he isn't a leader either..
So again.. Quein opinion is he isn't a great leader..That's fine.. But he acts like it's a fact and can't be denied, which I don't believe
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Seriously LT ?
Come on - I know you can do better than that !
As Buggy pointed out that interview really doesnt tell anything other than AJ is pure class ...
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I stand by my assesment that Rodgers will never be a Great Leader as Starr and Favre was - but I've never said Rodgers wasn't a Leader ...
I've stated before that in my opinion there are 3 types of leaders:
1) Those who are born to lead
- Starr, Favre, Montana comes to mind
2) those who can learn to lead (well), but will never become Great leaders
3) those who are put into leadership positions, but will never be able to lead, at Best only adequately ...
Rodgers to me is a category 2 Leader ...
I dont act like its "a fact" ... thats you and others OVER interpreting - again ..., but it seems to me that whenever ppl disagree with you (not only tou LT) you get like this ? - That Godgers is "God" and does nothing wrong ?
OK that I can see.. A number 2 leader.. Makes since..
And no I don't act that way unless people try to deflect.
And like it or not you came across as it's a fact
Why is Aj opinion any less valid than butt hurt Jennings?
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No one is mad? Only you cuz ur banging your head...
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I just thought he showed diplomatic class. AJ was a defensive player too, so never played directly with Rodgers. Like I said LT, purely how I read it. Jennings was pissed off with the Packers in general.
So if Woodson said Rodgers was good leader, it doesn't count?
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I am not deflecting ...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/02/will-packers-respond-to-rodgers-public-criticism/
http://m.cheeseheadtv.com/blog/corys-corner-aaron-rodgers-has-to-own-it
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/e...red-aaron-rodgers-isnt-a-natural-born-leader/
In that one a teammate (unnamed) is quoted this:
" Finley put his name on these criticisms of Rodgers, but not everyone in Dunne's story did. An anonymous source "close to the quarterback" called the Packers superstar a "f---ing head case" who is "so arrogant and prideful that he thinks he can separate his personal life from his professional life."
The full, scorched-earth quote from Dunne's article:
"There's no explanation for him playing any worse," said the source, who wished to speak under the condition of anonymity. "People are trying to figure it out. He's a f--king head case. He knows he's doing the wrong thing, and he's so arrogant and prideful that he thinks he can separate his personal life from his professional life, even though all of us know that's impossible. You can't do that. You can do that in little spurts, like when Brett Favre went out and played amazingly when he loses his Dad. But when you're talking about real situations that aren't all of a sudden circumstantial and you f--k over good people, people you're supposed to love, it's a s--tty thing to do and you're going to get humbled.
"You can't live like that, man. The people who live like that end up getting f--ked over. That's kind of what's happening here, but he's so prideful and will never admit he's wrong. Ever."
These are just some, there are more (as you well know LT, ) as I know you've read all of Them ...
Q, you feel he isn't a great leader.. Got it.
But please don't try to shove how Rodgers isn't "a" leader.
I don't put any stock in Butt hurt players saying he isn't a leader
But please don't try to shove how Rodgers isn't "a" leader.
I don't put any stock in Butt hurt players saying he isn't a leader
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I never said it didn`t count, but again was Woodson ever on the same field as Rodgers ? I`ll ask you a question here in response. Do you think chewing out Lindsley on the field in public in his first season because he made a mistake showed good leadership ? Personally I wasn`t too impressed. Chew him out on the sidelines yes, but...
He is winning, players have different opinions and what you think and I think can be different.
I'll leave it at that
I'll leave it at that
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