Is Aaron Rodgers the best Packer QB of all time ?

[longtimefan]

I never said it didn`t count, but again was Woodson ever on the same field as Rodgers ? I`ll ask you a question here in response. Do you think chewing out Lindsley on the field in public in his first season because he made a mistake showed good leadership ? Personally I was too impressed. Chew him out on the sidelines yes, but...

You dismissed aj opinion... Saying it was class.. Woodson had issues leaving GB.. So was that class, or the truth?

I don't think yelling at corey was right at all..

However

did it happen in practice a lot? Was he yelled at b4? And this was final straw?

Is Corey the type that yelling in public works or in private works?


Obviously we don't know but that's why our opinions on this should not be blown up.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Anybody got a bandage ?

 

[Quientus]

Q, you feel he isn't a great leader.. Got it.

But please don't try to shove how Rodgers isn't "a" leader.

I don't put any stock in Butt hurt players saying he isn't a leader

LT ... ... I've NEVER said Rodgers isn't a Leader ... just that I dont think him to be a Leader on the same level as Starr or Favre ... But then again you seem to do that when ppl dont agree with you ...?

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

I don't think it was right at all..

However

did it happen in practice a lot? Was he yelled at b4? And this was final straw?

Is Corey the type that yelling in public works or in private works?


Obviously we don't know but that's why our opinions on this should not be blown up.

Fair point

 

[longtimefan]

LT ... ... I've NEVER said Rodgers isn't a Leader ... just that I dont think him to be a Leader on the same level as Starr or Favre ... But then again you seem to do that when ppl dont agree with you ...?

Not at all..at 1st it appeared you said he wasn't a leader... Then after re reading and more discussion, I saw you said not a great leader

I'm agreeing with you now.. .. Jessus..

I felt you were basing as fact.... And that I had issues with..

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Oh well, it`ll soon be Christmas

 

[Quientus]

Not at all..at 1st it appeared you said he wasn't a leader... Then after re reading and more discussion, I saw you said not a great leader

I'm agreeing with you now.. .. Jessus..

I felt you were basing as fact.... And that I had issues with..

Ah sorry - that Got cluttered in your quote hah - Just read the replies more carefully haha

P.s ... its Jesus ... one 's'

 

[PackAttack12]

I never said it didn`t count, but again was Woodson ever on the same field as Rodgers ? I`ll ask you a question here in response. Do you think chewing out Lindsley on the field in public in his first season because he made a mistake showed good leadership ? Personally I wasn`t too impressed. Chew him out on the sidelines yes, but...

Are you talking about Tretter? In the game where he missed the defensive player jumping off sides and didn't snap the ball? Brady and others have done this multiple times. I said it at the time that happened, it had to be a situation where, for Rodgers to react the way that he did, it's likely that he probably discussed what was going to happen before the play in the huddle, and Tretter still screwed up. How long do you think they had practiced that? That would light a fire under my tail as well.

He could have handled it better, but again, it's nothing that we have not seen from elite quarterbacks before. At least I think that was Tretter and not Linsley, unless we're talking about two different plays.

 

[longtimefan]

I think he meant Corey vs Seattle.. Corey was a rookie in Seattle 1st game of the year in 14

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

I think he meant Corey vs Seattle.. Corey was a rookie in Seattle 1st game of the year in 14

That`s the one.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Are you talking about Tretter? In the game where he missed the defensive player jumping off sides and didn't snap the ball? Brady and others have done this multiple times. I said it at the time that happened, it had to be a situation where, for Rodgers to react the way that he did, it's likely that he probably discussed what was going to happen before the play in the huddle, and Tretter still screwed up. How long do you think they had practiced that? That would light a fire under my tail as well.

He could have handled it better, but again, it's nothing that we have not seen from elite quarterbacks before. At least I think that was Tretter and not Linsley, unless we're talking about two different plays.

And I take your point, it`s a case of individual interpretation. It just rubbed me up the wrong way.

 

[OldSchool101]

I know some fans will compare and defend older QBs such as Starr. I can appreciate that especially if you watched him play (which I didn't). I like loyalty as much as anyone and have Scorpio blood to back it
Although it can be argued that the game was played differently in the 1960s it's purely conjecture.
Stats clearly define that there were 14 teams playing a total of just 16 possible games to win a Championship.
Contemporary professional football consists of 32 teams playing a possible 20 possible games to win a Championship. The purely statistical probability of making a SB today is less than half of what it was in the 1960's.
For instance..a good probability guy would tear up the theory that Aaron had to win 3 SB to match Bart's for the "greatest" Packer QB title in modern football.
Once Aaron hits 14 years as a starter then we can do a better comparison to Bart and after 16 years of Aaron being a starter we can compare to Favre.
Right now Aaron has just 8 full years as a starter (plus one pending already in the playoffs) So there's not enough information to make a fair comparison between an 8 year starter, a 14 year starter and a 16 year starter IMO.
Aaron is sitting decent with 1 SB win and
1 NFC Championship loss as his best performances. If Rodgers went 16 years and doubled his current production? that would be 2 SB wins and 2 NFC appearances which would trump Favre and be equivalent to Starr IMO
Aaron needs 3 SB wins to be a clear victor and hold the "Greatest" title
That being said.. let's go ahead and put away another SB now so there's no ambiguity.

 

[longtimefan]

Ah sorry - that Got cluttered in your quote hah - Just read the replies more carefully haha

P.s ... its Jesus ... one 's'

Shall I ban for breaking rule on pointing out spelling?

 

[longtimefan]

I know some fans will compare and defend older QBs such as Starr. I can appreciate that especially if you watched him play (which I didn't). I like loyalty as much as anyone and have Scorpio blood to back it
Although it can be argued that the game was played differently in the 1960s it's purely conjecture.
Stats clearly define that there were 14 teams playing a total of just 16 possible games to win a Championship.
Contemporary professional football consists of 32 teams playing a possible 20 possible games to win a Championship. The purely statistical probability of making a SB today is less than half of what it was in the 1960's.
For instance..a good probability guy would tear up the theory that Aaron had to win 3 SB to match Bart's for the "greatest" Packer QB title in modern football.
Once Aaron hits 14 years as a starter then we can do a better comparison to Bart and after 16 years of Aaron being a starter we can compare to Favre.
Right now Aaron has just 8 full years as a starter (plus one pending already in the playoffs) So there's not enough information to make a fair comparison between an 8 year starter, a 14 year starter and a 16 year starter IMO.
Aaron is sitting decent with 1 SB win and
1 NFC Championship loss as his best performances. If Rodgers went 16 years and doubled his current production? that would be 2 SB wins and 2 NFC appearances which would trump Favre and be equivalent to Starr IMO
Aaron needs 3 SB wins to be a clear victor and hold the "Greatest" title and 2 SB wins and 1 more appearance to be comparable to Starr

Starr 10 playoff games 9 and 1

I believe Rodgers 13 games, 7 and 6

 

[P-E-Z]

We have 3 Hall of Fame QBs Arnie Herber, Bart Starr and Bret Farve....... and Rodger may be Hall of Famer.
We have had great QBs Does it in real world matter who the was "best"? Starr won 5 Championships. Herber won 4 championships. Farve won 1. Rodgers has 1 and is still playing.

 

[OldSchool101]

Starr 10 playoff games 9 and 1

I believe Rodgers 13 games, 7 and 6

That's a very valid argument. Another consideration should be how the Defenses were ranked in each playoff season. I honestly don't know the rankings.. but a major part of winning in the playoffs is Defense. A great supporting cast makes all the difference. And the supporting cast.. Imagine putting Bostick on the 1965 Packers! He would've erased at least 1 Championship single handidly

 

[longtimefan]

That's a very valid argument. Another consideration should be how the Defenses were ranked in each playoff season. I honestly don't know the rankings.. but a major part of winning in the playoffs is Defense. A great supporting cast makes all the difference. And the supporting cast.. Imagine putting Bostick on the 1965 Packers! He would've erased at least 1 Championship single handidly

1st sb.. Def was 1 in yards given up, and 3rd in scoring

 

[weeds]

Don Hutson is the greatest Packers receiver of all time

 

[Sky King]

That's a very valid argument. Another consideration should be how the Defenses were ranked in each playoff season. I honestly don't know the rankings.. but a major part of winning in the playoffs is Defense. A great supporting cast makes all the difference. And the supporting cast.. Imagine putting Bostick on the 1965 Packers! He would've erased at least 1 Championship single handidly

Nah. In the pre-steroid era there's no way he makes the roster: Too lean and too slow without "help."

 

[longtimefan]

Don Hutson is the greatest Packers receiver of all time

U take that back... And get off my lawn

 

[weeds]

Neener...neener...

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

They have all been great. Starr played in a non F/A period with the greatest coach and half a team of HOA players. But he was great. 5 Championships in 7 years. A class act.

Favre played with one of the great defenses of the 90's and was 1-1 in Super Bowls. Iron man. But really nothing great after the defense changed. A lot of big game ints later. But with Reggie, Holmgren and a lot of other pieces added, changed the fortune of our franchise from mediocrity (or worse in many years) to perennial playoff team. An all time great.

Rodgers's has played with some good and some bad defenses, but did win a SB with an incredibly large number of players on IR and has us in the playoffs again with a large number of players injured. To me, no doubt a HOA player.

They are all great, just played in different times. We should let Rodgers career finish before we worry if he is greater than the other 2.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Starr 10 playoff games 9 and 1

I believe Rodgers 13 games, 7 and 6

If Rodgers would have played with a great defense and HOF coach his record in playoff games would likely have matched Starr. As great as Rodgers is, he can't play defense.

 

[PackAttack12]

If Rodgers would have played with a great defense and HOF coach his record in playoff games would likely have matched Starr. As great as Rodgers is, he can't play defense.

Don't say it too loud. They might hear you.

 

[rodell330]

Rodgers is the most gifted QB of all time I'm not being bias either may not go down as the best statistical or winning QB of all time but purely the best physical QB ever... arm strength to IQ he has everything it's actually kind of unreal...

Took the words right out of my mouth. This is a once in a generation type QB. I'm convinced that even if he never wins another SB by the time he's done he will be widely regard as the greatest QB of all time. Even over Shady Brady. I heard an argument on a talk show yesterday saying that if you took Brady off the Patriots? and replaced him with Rodgers that the Patriots would be even better.