I had This Nightmare

[Calebs Revenge]

Ok, please tell us all about this "luck" we've had.

There is absolutely a little bit of luck involved in both Favre and Rodgers getting a Super Bowl win and going to Canton. If Love works out then everyone else in the league needs to absolutely draft a qb and sit them for 3 years before putting them in as full-time starter.

The Bears got extremely lucky in getting the first pick last year. The Texans (and our former beloved coach)with that miracle 40 yard bomb and 2 pt conversion gifted us all that is the fruit of the pick we traded to Carolina.
It led to:#1 1300 yrd WR DJ Moore, our starting RT D. Wright, our starting 2CB in T. Stevenson, starting QB and future packer killer C. Williams, and……whoever we get next year with their probably high 2nd rnd pick. I think we currently have 11 picks next year.

Everyone who wins the big one has to have the players and skill and a little bit of luck. Did K.C. Have a little luck that the 49ers didn’t read the overtime rules and understand the full scope of the scenario? If Love hadn’t choked on that pick y’all might have taken them to overtime and benefitted from their ignorance but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

That’s the “luck” I speak of. Also just thought of this. We were lucky that our old jag-off of a GM works in Atl as the asst. GM and I’m sure was instrumental in drafting Penix and that allowed us to get Rome.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

Jordan also put us squarely in position to beat a very good 49ers team. Not only that but Jordan Love dominated Dallas in THEIR house. Dallas hadn’t lost a home game in a year and a half. Not only that but Jordan did it with the youngest Offense by games experience in SB history and did it in embarrassing fashion. Ask Dallas fans if they think Jordan lost games for the Packers and at least they’ve gur the g o ads to tell the truth. Even with a few years on the bench watching? It’s almost inconceivable. To take anything away from Jordan in a first starting season is bordering egregious. He literally tore teams up down the stretch and I mean stunned them. So what he made a bad throw he had 1 season under his belt did you expect perfection and a SB? With a D barely in the top half of the league? Cmon that’s why Bears fans will always be Bears fans.

If Jordan Love was reselected in the 2024 draft he’d go top 3. I’d take a proven QB with heart over a Trevor Lawrence type with “accolades” any day and 2X on Sunday. You’re severely deceiving yourself if you think Love did that by accident. 2023 will not be Jordan’s best season and if that’s what you’re implying you’ll be set for disappointment. Your QB hadn’t even had a snap in the NFL and you’re acting like he’s the next Joe Montana. In this league you’ve got to prove yourself and I’d time it until that happens before talking big time smack. The Packers are a clear favorite in the NFC and it takes more than a first year QB to get it done. In this league it’s takes 53 to get her done and the
The Bears 53 > Packers at talking
The Packers 53 > Bears 53 on the field. You’d have to Win 5 in a row just to turn the tide that’s how bad the Bears have been.

Umm… you do realize you lost division to Detroit and they were very close to a Super Bowl. I’d have to say they are the favorite.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

Jordan also put us squarely in position to beat a very good 49ers team. Not only that but Jordan Love dominated Dallas in THEIR house. Dallas hadn’t lost a home game in a year and a half. Not only that but Jordan did it with the youngest Offense by games experience in SB history and did it in embarrassing fashion. Ask Dallas fans if they think Jordan lost games for the Packers and at least they’ve gur the g o ads to tell the truth. Even with a few years on the bench watching? It’s almost inconceivable. To take anything away from Jordan in a first starting season is bordering egregious. He literally tore teams up down the stretch and I mean stunned them. So what he made a bad throw he had 1 season under his belt did you expect perfection and a SB? With a D barely in the top half of the league? Cmon that’s why Bears fans will always be Bears fans.

If Jordan Love was reselected in the 2024 draft he’d go top 3. I’d take a proven QB with heart over a Trevor Lawrence type with “accolades” any day and 2X on Sunday. You’re severely deceiving yourself if you think Love did that by accident. 2023 will not be Jordan’s best season and if that’s what you’re implying you’ll be set for disappointment. Your QB hadn’t even had a snap in the NFL and you’re acting like he’s the next Joe Montana. In this league you’ve got to prove yourself and I’d time it until that happens before talking big time smack. The Packers are a clear favorite in the NFC and it takes more than a first year QB to get it done. In this league it’s takes 53 to get her done and the
The Bears 53 > Packers at talking
The Packers 53 > Bears 53 on the field. You’d have to Win 5 in a row just to turn the tide that’s how bad the Bears have been.

Also my pops has told me about the vaunted Green Bay powerhouse teams from the 70’s and 80’s. The pendulum always swings back. Not trash talking just stating facts….the pendulum always swings back.

 

[rmontro]

There is absolutely a little bit of luck involved in both Favre and Rodgers getting a Super Bowl win and going to Canton. If Love works out then everyone else in the league needs to absolutely draft a qb and sit them for 3 years before putting them in as full-time starter.

I have no issue with the luck comment. You don't even get out of bed in the morning without a little bit of good fortune.

Sounds like the Lions are favored to win the division. I'd like to see us in that spot, but we have a very tough schedule, and I admit Detroit is very well coached.

 

[PikeBadger]

There is absolutely a little bit of luck involved in both Favre and Rodgers getting a Super Bowl win and going to Canton. If Love works out then everyone else in the league needs to absolutely draft a qb and sit them for 3 years before putting them in as full-time starter.

The Bears got extremely lucky in getting the first pick last year. The Texans (and our former beloved coach)with that miracle 40 yard bomb and 2 pt conversion gifted us all that is the fruit of the pick we traded to Carolina.
It led to:#1 1300 yrd WR DJ Moore, our starting RT D. Wright, our starting 2CB in T. Stevenson, starting QB and future packer killer C. Williams, and……whoever we get next year with their probably high 2nd rnd pick. I think we currently have 11 picks next year.

Everyone who wins the big one has to have the players and skill and a little bit of luck. Did K.C. Have a little luck that the 49ers didn’t read the overtime rules and understand the full scope of the scenario? If Love hadn’t choked on that pick y’all might have taken them to overtime and benefitted from their ignorance but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

That’s the “luck” I speak of. Also just thought of this. We were lucky that our old jag-off of a GM works in Atl as the asst. GM and I’m sure was instrumental in drafting Penix and that allowed us to get Rome.

You choose a QB when availability meets draft or trade value. Not when you absolutely need one. No luck involved. Just a lot of hard research and scouting and good coaching.

Luck = opportunity + preparation

 

[rmontro]

You choose a QB when availability meets draft or trade value. Not when you absolutely need one. No luck involved. Just a lot of hard research and scouting and good coaching.

Luck = opportunity + preparation

For there to be no luck involved at all, that would mean that you could predict how well every single draft pick would perform in the NFL. So yeah, luck is always a factor.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

For there to be no luck involved at all, that would mean that you could predict how well every single draft pick would perform in the NFL. So yeah, luck is always a factor.

Thank the good Lord one of you can be rational and admit luck is a factor. I mean c’mon maaaaayyyne….having back to back HoF qb’s has happened one other time in NFL history that I can think of with the 49ers: Montana and Young. Then they had a good QB in J Garcia after that. If it was easy everyone would get a great QB every couple of years.

Part of why I believe Caleb will be good is we were prepared for a rookie QB with our roster. I went to OSU and there wasn’t a bigger Fields fanboy out there but we were ill equipped to have him play. No supporting cast and all it did was highlight his legs teaching him to run at the first sign of collapse. Coaching malpractice. I still question Eberflus as “the guy” but the locker room loves him.

The script has flipped and Caleb will be protected and be able to ball out. He has the fastest release I’ve seen since your ex-QB Rodgers and can make every throw. I can’t wait for the schedule to come out bc I’ll def be coming to Caleb’s first game in lambeau field.

 

[OldSchool101]

Umm… you do realize you lost division to Detroit and they were very close to a Super Bowl. I’d have to say they are the favorite.

Then Maybe you should become a Detroit fan. At least you’d be speaking out of relevance.

 

[rmontro]

Thank the good Lord one of you can be rational and admit luck is a factor. I mean c’mon maaaaayyyne….having back to back HoF qb’s has happened one other time in NFL history that I can think of with the 49ers: Montana and Young. Then they had a good QB in J Garcia after that. If it was easy everyone would get a great QB every couple of years.

That's me, Mr. Rational lol. Anyway, it looks like the NFC North is going to be a tough division in the coming years. Maybe it will be a case of a rising tide raising all ships.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

Then Maybe you should become a Detroit fan. At least you’d be speaking out of relevance.

Never…but I can at least stomach watching them win the division. Hopefully they had their year and it won’t be an issue for awhile.

Plus I’m really getting a kick out of everyone looking at us like same old Bears. The last couple years of picks and trades have allowed our GM to methodically build the roster with premium picks and now we got the generational talent at QB we’ve been waiting for and don’t lie…..there’s 4 maybe 5 teams that wouldn’t have taken Caleb or would trade for him right now. Your front office is one of em.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Thank the good Lord one of you can be rational and admit luck is a factor. I mean c’mon maaaaayyyne….having back to back HoF qb’s has happened one other time in NFL history that I can think of with the 49ers: Montana and Young. Then they had a good QB in J Garcia after that. If it was easy everyone would get a great QB every couple of years.

I think you're still missing the point - the point is, it's not easy. You don't just draft a guy, stick him in a freezer for 3 years, then thaw him out and *POW*! You've got a 12-year franchise quarterback and maybe hall-of-famer, playoff-ready in Year One.

It takes hard work, good scouting, good coaching, and a stable organization to find the right prospect at the right point in your team's timeline, then spend 2 or 3 years patiently developing him - coach him up, identify the areas of his game that need work, do the strength training, teach him the footwork, the reads, the arm position, the motion, the release... it takes a solid, stable organization with good coaches, patience, and commitment to doing the work that needs to be done to make the formula work.

Which brings us to... the Bears. I agree with you; Fields had the tools to become a very good QB, and the Bears didn't know how to make him that. And I feel badly for the guy, because by all accounts he was a really terrific kid. But you say you're confident that the same organization that ruined Fields is going to turn Caleb Williams into a star - why? What are they going to do differently this time?

I've said a number of times, if Fields had lucked in a position like Love had (landing with an organization like Green Bay, with the time, the patience, and the program to develop him), he might have had a tremendous future in the NFL. But he didn't. He fell into the clutches of the Bears.

I really feel that one of the biggest reasons the Packers have been able to what they did with Rodgers and Love is that they are not under the thumb of an arrogant billionaire owner with a 10-minute attention span who wants immediate results from an early quarterback. Our management was easily able to afford letting them both develop for 3 years, because we didn't need immediate results in order to sell tickets. I think Atlanta figured this formula out, and may have scored the biggest success of the entire 1st round by taking Penix.

If they can sit him for 2 or 3 years behind Cousins, he may prove to be the steal of the draft. And if that turns out, you may see the Green Bay model for drafting QBs become the norm going forward.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

Ok so why did GB just start doing this with Favre? If it was just coaching and such your QB’s should have been good going back to your founding.

Look I get why you’re delusional. You’ve had 30 plus years of HoF QB play and I’d think my team was infallible too.

Don’t get too emotional if Love has a year 2 slump. Teams now have a whole seasons worth of tape to diagnose and gameplan around and it might lead to a regression.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

And Fields was great and I loved him but he was a great athlete playing QB and Caleb is a great QB who is also an athlete.

JF had no anticipation in his throws and just didn’t have “it” when it comes to being a pocket passer. It may get better with time but the 9 sack first start against Cleveland was coaching malpractice and he’ll hear footsteps the rest of his career.

That’s why we’ve tried to do it different this time and develop the team before getting the QB. Maybe we finally got it right.

 

[rmontro]

Ok so why did GB just start doing this with Favre? If it was just coaching and such your QB’s should have been good going back to your founding.

Ron Wolf traded for Favre, and he started playing when Majkowski was injured. He didn't follow the pattern Rodgers and Love did, although he sat for a year in Atlanta. This was around the time the team was starting its return to success. The organization stunk in the '70s and '80s.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

Yes a return to success is what I’m talking about. We haven’t won a playoff game since 2010. It is time.

 

[OldSchool101]

Never…but I can at least stomach watching them win the division. Hopefully they had their year and it won’t be an issue for awhile.

Plus I’m really getting a kick out of everyone looking at us like same old Bears. The last couple years of picks and trades have allowed our GM to methodically build the roster with premium picks and now we got the generational talent at QB we’ve been waiting for and don’t lie…..there’s 4 maybe 5 teams that wouldn’t have taken Caleb or would trade for him right now. Your front office is one of em.

Certainly always possible. The Bears need a good season after years of being statistically behind. On average they should be in an NFC game every 16 years an SB every 32 years. This isn’t being mean but you guys are behind in SB and about to expire in NFC. You need to do it now or you’ll 100% remain the same old, until proven otherwise. The experts have been predicting your rise since Fields stepped on the field. He was NOT your only problem. You’ve got issues on both sides and those don’t get wholly fixed overnight or by 1 or 2 players.
That might sound harsh, but if you had to pick the Packers, Detroit, MN and Bears and choose 2? I think most experts that watch and follow would choose Packers Detroit. Although Chicago should be that mix in 2025?

We all must remember something. We are not the only teams getting better. Just because we get better doesn’t = all other teams remaining stagnant.

 

[rmontro]

The Bears need a good season after years of being statistically behind. they should be in an NFC game every 16 years an SB every 32 years.

The average team would go to the Super Bowl every 16 years, and win it every 32. Surprisingly, the average team would be in the NFCCG every eight years. Of course it doesn't always work out that way...

One of the most annoying things about the Rodgers era was that the Packers got to five NFCCGs, and only won one of them. I'd rather get there than not, but still... irritating.

 

[PikeBadger]

Certainly always possible. The Bears need a good season after years of being statistically behind. On average they should be in an NFC game every 16 years an SB every 32 years. This isn’t being mean but you guys are behind in SB and about to expire in NFC. You need to do it now or you’ll 100% remain the same old, until proven otherwise. The experts have been predicting your rise since Fields stepped on the field. He was NOT your only problem. You’ve got issues on both sides and those don’t get wholly fixed overnight or by 1 or 2 players.
That might sound harsh, but if you had to pick the Packers, Detroit, MN and Bears and choose 2? I think most experts that watch and follow would choose Packers Detroit. Although Chicago should be that mix in 2025?

We all must remember something. We are not the only teams getting better. Just because we get better doesn’t = all other teams remaining stagnant.

And don't forget, some are also getting worse

 

[Poppa San]

And don't forget, some are also getting worse

Not at this point of the season.

 

[Voyageur]

There's very little chance that Love will fall off the edge in year two. He didn't come in as a rookie and play. He came in after having time on the bench where he could learn the system, and they could use the concepts on the field that fit his game best. Everyone knows what he can do, and the fact they have really moved forward with the running game and his weapons to throw to, he has about the best overall group of players to work with you can ask for. Even the drafting of one, maybe two guys, who are going to move into starting spots immediately, you can see they didn't leave any stone uncovered. They knew what had to be done.

At the same time, because of the picks they'd squirreled away, they were able to upgrade the defense in key positions that needed upgrade. This too actually helps the offense, because the team becomes less reliant on them to score more often. There's less pressure on Love and the rest of the guys on the field.

If Love falls off the edge, it's because of mistakes made in coaching, not because he has failed to develop. He's ready to continue like he did last year, and we could even see more out of him and the offense already.

I think he's the right guy for the job.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

Certainly always possible. The Bears need a good season after years of being statistically behind. On average they should be in an NFC game every 16 years an SB every 32 years. This isn’t being mean but you guys are behind in SB and about to expire in NFC. You need to do it now or you’ll 100% remain the same old, until proven otherwise. The experts have been predicting your rise since Fields stepped on the field. He was NOT your only problem. You’ve got issues on both sides and those don’t get wholly fixed overnight or by 1 or 2 players.
That might sound harsh, but if you had to pick the Packers, Detroit, MN and Bears and choose 2? I think most experts that watch and follow would choose Packers Detroit. Although Chicago should be that mix in 2025?

We all must remember something. We are not the only teams getting better. Just because we get better doesn’t = all other teams remaining stagnant.

If we’re going on the future alone I don’t have a clue who the best 2 are. I think it’s the Bears and Pack. The lions can make a case that they’ve only gotten better. If Sam Darnold somehow lives up to his draft position the Vikings could come out of nowhere because their roster is good besides QB…..maybe. My Bears in the same boat. The QB is a question mark but I think he’s better at throwing than JF day 1…..so realistically the division is wide open. It depends on whose QB plays best like it basically always does.

 

[PikeBadger]

Not at this point of the season.

Oh yes, some teams decidedly got worse over the off season.

 

[PikeBadger]

If we’re going on the future alone I don’t have a clue who the best 2 are. I think it’s the Bears and Pack. The lions can make a case that they’ve only gotten better. If Sam Darnold somehow lives up to his draft position the Vikings could come out of nowhere because their roster is good besides QB…..maybe. My Bears in the same boat. The QB is a question mark but I think he’s better at throwing than JF day 1…..so realistically the division is wide open. It depends on whose QB plays best like it basically always does.

How many of your starting offensive linemen are going to be new or playing a different position than last year?

 

[Calebs Revenge]

1. Ryan Bates. We tried to get him 2 years ago I think but was a RFA in Buffalo and we thought we offered enough to get him but they matched. For cap reasons I assume we got him for a 5th in the last draft.
He’ll be playing Center. Only other question marks are Tevin Jenkins’ (LG) health(bc when healthy he’s one of best G’s in NFL) and Nate Davis at RG. He (Nate) dealt with a family members illness and eventual death (R.I.P. and condolences my dude) in Oct-Nov… I believe. A few minor injuries kept him out a few games as well so his head/heart just wasn’t in football 100 % last year and who can blame him.
Got a new swing T in the 3rd so if Bates is solid at C (the bar has been very low the last few years…sorry again Justin)and Davis returns to form we’ll be in really good shape.

 

[PikeBadger]

1. Ryan Bates. We tried to get him 2 years ago I think but was a RFA in Buffalo and we thought we offered enough to get him but they matched. For cap reasons I assume we got him for a 5th in the last draft.
He’ll be playing Center. Only other question marks are Tevin Jenkins’ (LG) health(bc when healthy he’s one of best G’s in NFL) and Nate Davis at RG. He (Nate) dealt with a family members illness and eventual death (R.I.P. and condolences my dude) in Oct-Nov… I believe. A few minor injuries kept him out a few games as well so his head/heart just wasn’t in football 100 % last year and who can blame him.
Got a new swing T in the 3rd so if Bates is solid at C (the bar has been very low the last few years…sorry again Justin)and Davis returns to form we’ll be in really good shape.

I heard yesterday Jenkins may be moved to RG.