How would you all rate Pettine's Performance

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This season?

Just curious

I like the progression of King and Clark and Blake Martinez as well as the promise shown with Savage

He did a great job putting both Smith's in position to succeed as well
 

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I’ll give them a C+. They haven’t been able to be great at 1 thing all season. One game they are good against the pass but can’t stop the run...or they stop run and get torched. Today they got run on smh. I’m talking gaping holes to
 

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B+. They need to find some consistency. But they have done really well through stretches. We seem to be on the right path. I like most of our game plans. Need a good ILB to really make it click.
 

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Petine shouldn't be entitely blamed for the poor run defense this year. After Martinez, he doesn't have much at LB and after Clark, he doesn't have much talent at DT.
 
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I'm giving him an A- as the D is finding their "groove"

I'd like to see Gary move around some and get more reps

I've generally liked how the secondary has progressed and especially the King/Alexander combo now

The secondary has also, mostly, looked fine when Savage has been on the field and I expect him to continue to progress and become the next Nick Collins
 

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Petine shouldn't be entitely blamed for the poor run defense this year. After Martinez, he doesn't have much at LB and after Clark, he doesn't have much talent at DT.

The depth at that positions is certainly bad. But they played good for that. Also I would like to partly blame the Offense for the inconsistency of the defense. The D-train was on the field for way too many snaps, especially mid-season. Ofc they give up points and yards when they are gassed. But they held their own in all games and if the Offense would have clicked at some point in the season, the stats would have been way better.

Also Pettine got outcoached heavily mid-season, looking at Chargers and 9ers game. He played some good old bend-but-dont-break- capers defense which didnt suit the team very much but kind of worked out. B- is a fitting grade I think.

Otherall I like the improvement the defense has shown. Hopefully some quality guys at LB and DT come in via draft/FA so Packers can finally defend the middle of the field.
 

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I give the Packers defense a A-. In the only two games of the season they gave up 30+ points we came away with losses. In the last 5 games of the season they averaged only giving up 14 points. That is the momentum you want to see going into January. The defense is the reason this team has a first round bye. They have been opportunistic, but have missed big plays. That being said, they have been resilient. The patriots defense, whom was grossly overrated all season, could not take care of business at home against the dolphins. The Packers defense only gave up 3 points in the second half on the road on a short week.
 

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B, offense has struggle and not consistent, have played to much 30minute football, D has be up and down have been much of the same with the opposite, but with the offense not turning ball over a lot, and D making a significant number of turnovers has made this team 13-3 with a bye, and #2 spot, even with some short comings this has been so far a good accomplishment, Dline with the smith bros has kept the Packers in my games and forced sacks and turnovers, King for all his short comings has been a pretty good Dback with 4 INT’s, better than Stephon Gilmore, Jalen Ramsey, and even Richard Sherman, injury’s have hampered this defense, and the tendency to give up big plays are still their, but consistency or not they a big part of winning division and getting 1st round bye..
 
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The defense finished ninth in points allowed, which is a big improvement over past seasons. Fans were pretty sure that would be enough to make the Packers a Super Bowl contender as long as Rodgers is healthy. Unfortunately the offense has struggled to keep up their end of the bargain.

Also I would like to partly blame the Offense for the inconsistency of the defense. The D-train was on the field for way too many snaps, especially mid-season. Ofc they give up points and yards when they are gassed. But they held their own in all games and if the Offense would have clicked at some point in the season, the stats would have been way better.

The Packers defense was on the field for 998 snaps this season, 10th fewest in the entire league.
 

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The defense finished ninth in points allowed, which is a big improvement over past seasons. Fans were pretty sure that would be enough to make the Packers a Super Bowl contender as long as Rodgers is healthy. Unfortunately the offense has struggled to keep up their end of the bargain.



The Packers defense was on the field for 998 snaps this season, 10th fewest in the entire league.

While this stat is suprising to me, my opinion still stands. The offense was pretty average and inconstistent and at time couldnt stay on the field for a longer time. It was really frustrating to see but it was enough for (at least) the Playoffs.

Is there a side other than pff elite where I can see those detailed stats? I know some sites but they dont have all details on and I dont really want to switch between 10 sites to evaluate a team.
 

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The defense finished ninth in points allowed, which is a big improvement over past seasons. Fans were pretty sure that would be enough to make the Packers a Super Bowl contender as long as Rodgers is healthy. Unfortunately the offense has struggled to keep up their end of the bargain.



The Packers defense was on the field for 998 snaps this season, 10th fewest in the entire league.
I already posted they were 9th...

Just busting ur balls
 

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With the lack of talent at WR, TE and the likelihood that Gute lets Bulaga walk, Petine will likely not have a significant upgrade in talent going into next season. Some of the first and second year players will need to make the proverbial "jump" if the defense is to improve.
 

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How one views Pettine is going to have a lot to do with how one views his talent. And that's a tricky discussion because one side can say that Player X isn't that great, so give Pettine a break, while the other can say that Player X would be better if only they had a better coach.

My personal opinion of our defensive personnel lays out like this:
  • Great: Z. Smith, Clark, Alexander
  • Good: P. Smith, Amos
  • Abv Avg: Williams, Lowry*
  • Avg: King*, Savage**, Fackrell*, Lancaster*
  • Blw Avg: Gary*, Martinez, Goodson*, Sullivan*, Campbell*
  • Bad: Burks*, Adams*
  • Terrible: Jackson*, Keke*, Redmond*
*Denotes part time role-player
**Savage and King were either better or worse than this middle ranking, so they land here as a result.

So on the whole, I think that Pettine has a pretty decent crew to work with. This is not the personnel one would need to craft a dominant unit by any means, but it's better than what the average team is working with.

One major caveat is that Clark was very obviously injured all the way up to the bye week. The before and after difference has been stark. So one of Pettine's best player was playing like a league average guy (at best), and his issues caused other players to perform worse (esp. the linebackers and other defensive linemen). Down the stretch, with a healthy Clark, GB is allowing about 14 points per game (final five games of the season-- some of that also attributable to opponents).

Another thing to note is that there is an entire position group that is really lacking (off-ball linebacker). Sometimes weaknesses are easier to mitigate when they are peppered throughout a roster. The Packers have a definitive and glaring weakness at the second level and offenses have victimized it often throughout the season.

Another note-- it should be pointed out that there are guys playing easily their best football under Pettine's coaching. Preston Smith averaged 6 sacks/season in WAS and had 12 this year. Za'Darius Smith averaged less than 5 sacks/season in BAL and had 13.5 this year (and should be a legitimate candidate for DPOY). Adrian Amos was as good or better than the Chicago version despite playing behind a lesser front.

Lastly, Pettine did a pretty good job of adjusting to the weaknesses of his unit. The lack of a 3T rusher has been masked by playing Gary/Fackrell more on the edge and rushing Z. Smith from the interior. His coverage calls have largely masked some of the man cover talent problems that this team has.

So taking all of this together, I give Pettine a B+ grade. If a "C" is your league average coordinator, I would argue that Pettine has been solidly better than that without being amazing or among the elite. He has largely overcome the personnel deficiencies on his unit, gotten about as much as you could expect from the players he's been given, and his unit has performed best where it matters most-- in the red zone.
 
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But I wonder if perhaps some of his picks that ended up leaving here would have done better if MM had sent Capers packing sooner. I think Capers made a few look like duds that shouldn't have.

Using hindsight Thompson shouldn't have let Hayward and Hyde leave in free agency, other than that most defensive players didn't have more success with a new team.

Is there a side other than pff elite where I can see those detailed stats? I know some sites but they dont have all details on and I dont really want to switch between 10 sites to evaluate a team.

The Pro Football Reference play index is a pretty neat tool.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/
 
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