Free Agency: Packers Should Green Bay Pursue?

[Favre>Rodgers259]

How does Dallas have more cap space than us?

Per OTC:

Cowboys: $24,131,719

Packers: $14,563,844

 

[Dantés]

How does Dallas have more cap space than us?

They backloaded the big hits on Cooper's new deal, and after Lawrence they have very few big cap hits on defense.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

The tight ends in this offense need to be able to block. Graham never fit and Ebron would have been even worse.

I mean, Ebron would basically be a much better version of Graham and they played Graham an AWFUL lot last year. Let's not pretend Graham is some average blocker.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I mean The Saints and The Packers are kinda similar in receiving corp minus prior to the pickup on Sanders, so it was a toss up really. Thomas and Adams basically match one another out. I'll give Cook the edge in TE, but Jones imo is better than Kamara, so it really could've gone either way. I suppose it's a combination of playing in a dome or playing outdoors.

You kind of glossed over just how much better Cooks is as TE than anyone on the roster. I'd also add that the Saints, even with Brees missing some games, was much better than the Packers offense last year. If Sanders wanted to join the better overall offense, then the Saints are the choice. Not saying the Packers can't get there, but they need to make some moves that would, at this stage of the off-season, be somewhat shocking to acquire the skill position help they need.

Part of me is concerned that the front office is looking at the defense and MLF's desire to run the ball and just trusting to a good defense to keep a mediocre offense winning games. While the defense is good, it's not close to elite enough to rely on leading a team to a title.

 

[Do7]

You kind of glossed over just how much better Cooks is as TE than anyone on the roster. I'd also add that the Saints, even with Brees missing some games, was much better than the Packers offense last year. If Sanders wanted to join the better overall offense, then the Saints are the choice. Not saying the Packers can't get there, but they need to make some moves that would, at this stage of the off-season, be somewhat shocking to acquire the skill position help they need.

Part of me is concerned that the front office is looking at the defense and MLF's desire to run the ball and just trusting to a good defense to keep a mediocre offense winning games. While the defense is good, it's not close to elite enough to rely on leading a team to a title.

Cooks was good and I believe I mentioned that they had the edge in TE, but we had the edge in RB. NO was more flashy that is for certain and considering they have the same head coach and QB and system they shouldn't have any issue executing. Meanwhile The Packers were with a new head coach and a new system in their first year.

As for the defense at this point I think we're better off having a stellar/elite defense with a solid running attack rather than having the same stuff we've had before. Don't get me wrong I certainly would want to increase our weapons in regards to the receiving corp but the past SB winners, with the exception of KC, had strong running attacks and good defenses. I'm fine with us winning in different ways other than relying on Arodg to bail us out like he used to.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Cooks was good and I believe I mentioned that they had the edge in TE, but we had the edge in RB. NO was more flashy that is for certain and considering they have the same head coach and QB and system they shouldn't have any issue executing. Meanwhile The Packers were with a new head coach and a new system in their first year.

As for the defense at this point I think we're better off having a stellar/elite defense with a solid running attack rather than having the same stuff we've had before. Don't get me wrong I certainly would want to increase our weapons in regards to the receiving corp but the past SB winners, with the exception of KC, had strong running attacks and good defenses. I'm fine with us winning in different ways other than relying on Arodg to bail us out like he used to.

Kamara had a bunch of injuries last year. If given the choice of Jones or Kamara I would take Kamara most days of the week.

 

[Do7]

Kamara had a bunch of injuries last year. If given the choice of Jones or Kamara I would take Kamara most days of the week.

I mean that shouldn't be a knock on Jones though, best ability is availability. Plus Jones imo is more versatile, especially in this new system. He had the better year last year. I'll take my chances on Jones.

 

[Dantés]

The big difference between the Saints offense and the Packers offense of 2019 is system, not personnel.

Payton and Brees have been running that scheme and building on it for fourteen years. Rodgers was in year one of a new offense.

 

[Heyjoe4]

He's not an every down player. He fits a role as a deep threat and a screen/gadget player and that's about it.

That makes more sense. And in that case, I’d cross him off the list of FAs, unless he really falls in price. It’s not even the cost as much as the roster position. The WR group is already full of guys who can’t play.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Or, it could just be that Sanders, who was drafted out of SMU and a Texas native, simply wanted to play close to home for the first time in his career.

Let's also not forget that the city of New Orleans is a lot more attractive for non-football reasons than Green Bay....

Belleview, TX to Dallas - 3 hours

Belleview, TX to New Orleans - 6 hours

Belleview, TX to Green Bay - 19.5 hours


*shrugs*

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I mean that shouldn't be a knock on Jones though, best ability is availability. Plus Jones imo is more versatile, especially in this new system. He had the better year last year. I'll take my chances on Jones.

Kamara is the more versatile running back having caught 81 passes in each of his first three seasons with the Saints.

 

[Do7]

Kamara is the more versatile running back having caught 81 passes in each of his first three seasons with the Saints.

Right but that was under the same system. Jones had to play in two different systems with MLF's being more run focus thus allowing Jones to really shine. I'll still take my chances on Jones.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Right but that was under the same system. Jones had to play in two different systems with MLF's being more run focus thus allowing Jones to really shine. I'll still take my chances on Jones.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with Jones being the Packers starting running back. Kamara is the better receiver in my opinion though.

 

[tynimiller]

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with Jones being the Packers starting running back. Kamara is the better receiver in my opinion though.

Yup, however Jones is progressing in the catching category. He becoming a dual threat RB is the ONLY reason I'm not like 100% against us signing him to a new contract and breaking my in stone rule of never paying top RB money in this era of the NFL.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Yup, however Jones is progressing in the catching category. He becoming a dual threat RB is the ONLY reason I'm not like 100% against us signing him to a new contract and breaking my in stone rule of never paying top RB money in this era of the NFL.

The Packers should definitely offer Jones a contract to stay with the team but with the position having been devalued lately there's no reason to overpay to retain him.

There's no doubt he has improved as a receiver but he's not on par with Kamara yet.

 

[tynimiller]

The Packers should definitely offer Jones a contract to stay with the team but with the position having been devalued lately there's no reason to overpay to retain him.

There's no doubt he has improved as a receiver but he's not on par with Kamara yet.

See that is where we are though, whether he signs with us or someone else I find it hard to believe that he doesn't get overpaid.

What figure do you think he is worth and what do you expect he gets?

If he balls out like in 2019, I am scared a David Johnson sized contract could occur which I'm out 100% on.

Now the Ekeler and/or Melvin Gordon deal I'm PRAYING is mirrored at most...we shall see...

 

[Deleted member 6794]

See that is where we are though, whether he signs with us or someone else I find it hard to believe that he doesn't get overpaid.

What figure do you think he is worth and what do you expect he gets?

If he balls out like in 2019, I am scared a David Johnson sized contract could occur which I'm out 100% on.

Now the Ekeler and/or Melvin Gordon deal I'm PRAYING is mirrored at most...we shall see...

I would be fine with the Packers offering Jones a deal like Ekeler received with the Chargers. Otherwise they should let him walk away in free agency next season.

 

[tynimiller]

I would be fine with the Packers offering Jones a deal like Ekeler received with the Chargers. Otherwise they should let him walk away in free agency next season.

100% agree with you here.

 

[Fat Dogs]

Kamara had a bunch of injuries last year. If given the choice of Jones or Kamara I would take Kamara most days of the week.

Agreed. I love Jones but Kamara is a different beast when fully healthy. McCaffrey is the only dual threat back that I would take over him.

 

[HardRightEdge]

King and Linsley ain't getting resigned.

I think that's a fair working assumption at this early date.

If the Packers dont draft a cb high I think there is a good chance King gets resigned.

There are two drafts to address that replacement. CBs in the draft at this time next year may be the hot topic of discussion the way WRs are this year.

 

[Fat Dogs]

As for the defense at this point I think we're better off having a stellar/elite defense with a solid running attack rather than having the same stuff we've had before. Don't get me wrong I certainly would want to increase our weapons in regards to the receiving corp but the past SB winners, with the exception of KC, had strong running attacks and good defenses. I'm fine with us winning in different ways other than relying on Arodg to bail us out like he used to.[/QUOTE]

1,000 % agree. It would be nice to add Anderson, Sanders, and Perriman but none of them would have helped prevent that playoff onslaught. We looked soft. Get big on both sides and play smash mouth football. Give me Suh or Snacks and draft a some beef for the trenches and play some bully ball.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Per OTC:

Cowboys: $24,131,719

Packers: $14,563,844

Your task, should you choose to accept it, is go go through the following list and assess the players they have lost or not yet re-signed but still available in free agency vs. the outside free agents they have signed.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/dallas-cowboys/

Has this 8-8 team improved their roster to date? If not, you have your answer.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

As for the defense at this point I think we're better off having a stellar/elite defense with a solid running attack rather than having the same stuff we've had before. Don't get me wrong I certainly would want to increase our weapons in regards to the receiving corp but the past SB winners, with the exception of KC, had strong running attacks and good defenses. I'm fine with us winning in different ways other than relying on Arodg to bail us out like he used to.

1,000 % agree. It would be nice to add Anderson, Sanders, and Perriman but none of them would have helped prevent that playoff onslaught. We looked soft. Get big on both sides and play smash mouth football. Give me Suh or Snacks and draft a some beef for the trenches and play some bully ball.[/QUOTE]

But then get smoked by a KC who has numerous offensive weapons and an elite QB. Unless we're building a Chicago Bears type defense, or a Denver Broncos 5+ years ago defense... then maybe. Can we do that with the pieces left available and big questions down the middle? I dunno.

 

[Fat Dogs]

1,000 % agree. It would be nice to add Anderson, Sanders, and Perriman but none of them would have helped prevent that playoff onslaught. We looked soft. Get big on both sides and play smash mouth football. Give me Suh or Snacks and draft a some beef for the trenches and play some bully ball.

But then get smoked by a KC who has numerous offensive weapons and an elite QB. Unless we're building a Chicago Bears type defense, or a Denver Broncos 5+ years ago defense... then maybe. Can we do that with the pieces left available and big questions down the middle? I dunno.[/QUOTE]

K.C. Is going to score regardless. You beat them by keeping their offense off the field. Run run run. Jones has come into his own. Feed him the rock. Hell, I wouldn’t be opposed to drafting D’Andre Swift, Taylor, or Dobbins for that one/two punch. Get big up front and control the clock.

 

[gopkrs]

But then get smoked by a KC who has numerous offensive weapons and an elite QB. Unless we're building a Chicago Bears type defense, or a Denver Broncos 5+ years ago defense... then maybe. Can we do that with the pieces left available and big questions down the middle? I dunno.

K.C. Is going to score regardless. You beat them by keeping their offense off the field. Run run run. Jones has come into his own. Feed him the rock. Hell, I wouldn’t be opposed to drafting D’Andre Swift, Taylor, or Dobbins for that one/two punch. Get big up front and control the clock.[/QUOTE]
I'm still looking for ILB, DL, OL and W/O with our top four picks. And I lean toward the first three. Not much room for a RB but if you want to trade another Offensive Lineman for the W/O...I would not complain. But don't really see us as being a smash mouth team. But we would and should be able to run the ball. We still might pick up a veteran W/O.