Free Agency: Packers Should Green Bay Pursue?

[Dantés]

I think this highlighted part is where you and I disagree on the Diggs trade and is why I said it seemed like you were viewing it in a vacuum. How do you just ignore it and put "lockerroom stuff aside"? I think many of us have been on some kind of team, whether its sports, business, whatever. When you have one teammate that is disruptive, no matter how talented he is, it can be a negative to the whole team. I'm not saying that Diggs will be that way in Buffalo, but it sure sounds like he was in Minnesota. I am guessing that the Vikings felt this was a good deal for them and a way to get rid of a guy that was becoming a distraction. The Bills and yourself, perhaps don't view it in the same way and thus view it as a better deal for Buffalo. Like I said, hard to tell on any deal, until it plays out. I can see either side thinking it was a good deal, otherwise, why make the deal?

I'll try this one more time.

Because of his relationship to the team, I said out of the gate that this was the right move for the Vikings in the long term.

But because Stefon Diggs was their best offensive player, I am saying that *if you choose to look just at the on-field perspective* they got a lot worse for the immediate future.

 

[lambeaulambo]

its a full blown fire sale in trophyless queenland...full rebuilding mode for Kazoo...I'm so heartbroken LOL

 

[LetzBreel]

Let the mass exodus begin. This is how it works in Green Bay, unfortunately. Almost 30 years of mostly damn good football and possibly 30 years of mostly mediocre, at best, football to come (maybe). Think about it. An aging QB that no one respects anymore for a variety of different reasons, most of them his own fault. Add in a whole lot of no-names and it spells mediocre. Meanwhile, the Bears are signing players (name players) left and right and I have no doubt that the Lions and Vikings will follow. One bright note, Stephon Diggs can't kill the Packers twice a year anymore. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Rodgers up and quit tomorrow. Last thing before some of you tell me how crazy I am, let's remember that none of this bs that I have written and that you all have written amounts to a hill of beans with what is happening in our world as we speak. Nobody should give two craps about football right now. Have at it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

But because Stefon Diggs was their best offensive player, I am saying that *if you choose to look just at the on-field perspective* they got a lot worse for the immediate future.

Again, I understand that and if all you are looking at is "on field", the Vikings haven't gotten a thing yet, since they will see what they get out of the draft picks that they got out of the deal. Of course Diggs hasn't played a down for the Bills yet either, so that side of the story isn't complete either.

I also realize much of what we all discuss here is projection analysis and if all we talked about was after the fact, it would be boring. I hope your analysis of the situation is totally correct, but I can see where the Vikings are very happy with this deal.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Again, I understand that and if all you are looking at is "on field", the Vikings haven't gotten a thing yet, since they will see what they get out of the draft picks that they got out of the deal. Of course Diggs hasn't played a down for the Bills yet either, so that side of the story isn't complete either.

I also realize much of what we all discuss here is projection analysis and if all we talked about was after the fact, it would be boring. I hope your analysis of the situation is totally correct, but I can see where the Vikings are very happy with this deal.

I think the main point is the Vikings can be happy with the return they got but at the same time Green Bay fans can be happy because the Viking lost a very productive player even if he was a diva. There are a lot of divas in the NFL and I think Zimmer just doesn't work with certain personalities. If the Viking miss on the wr they draft (they have a terrible track record) then their offense is in some real trouble.

Here is the thing too. It was not like Theilen didn't have diva in him last year as well. He was caught yelling at Cousins a couple times. When you have both your wrs grumbling a lot maybe the problems are elsewhere too

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

Let the mass exodus begin. This is how it works in Green Bay, unfortunately. Almost 30 years of mostly damn good football and possibly 30 years of mostly mediocre, at best, football to come (maybe). Think about it. An aging QB that no one respects anymore for a variety of different reasons, most of them his own fault. Add in a whole lot of no-names and it spells mediocre. Meanwhile, the Bears are signing players (name players) left and right and I have no doubt that the Lions and Vikings will follow. One bright note, Stephon Diggs can't kill the Packers twice a year anymore. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Rodgers up and quit tomorrow. Last thing before some of you tell me how crazy I am, let's remember that none of this bs that I have written and that you all have written amounts to a hill of beans with what is happening in our world as we speak. Nobody should give two craps about football right now. Have at it.

Come back through the window and get off the ledge. And take your meds.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Green Bay fans can be happy because the Viking lost a very productive player even if he was a diva.

This Packer fan was very happy that the Vikings had a Diva in Diggs, especially if he was one of the reasons we beat them both games and finished ahead of them. So be careful what you wish for. Maybe we will get lucky and the Vikings will sign Antonio Brown to a huge contract.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

There goes Witten... Rats.

 

[bigbubbatd]

This Packer fan was very happy that the Vikings had a Diva in Diggs, especially if he was one of the reasons we beat them both games and finished ahead of them. So be careful what you wish for. Maybe we will get lucky and the Vikings will sign Antonio Brown to a huge contract.

Since his second season he has scored a td in every game he has played against the Packers and had some pretty big numbers overall. Moss was a diva but I was happy to see him go. Brown is a diva but I bet ever AFC North team was happy when he left. Teams never really complain about their divas until after they leave.

 

[morango]

If demovsky is right about contract details, the total 2020 cap hit for both Wagner and Kirksey together will be about $9 million rather than $13 or $14 million as many of us assumed.

Still leaves some room for Gutey to maneuver for a mid-tier DL or TE or extend Clark, or roll it over to 2021 when they’ll need it more.

 

[Dantés]

If demovsky is right about contract details, the total 2020 cap hit for both Wagner and Kirksey together will be about $9 million rather than $13 or $14 million as many of us assumed.

Still leaves some room for Gutey to maneuver for a mid-tier DL or TE or extend Clark, or roll it over to 2021 when they’ll need it more.

I would still hope for a corner. Tramon Williams at a minimum, but hopefully someone younger.

 

[Dantés]

So while the Vikings are having to disassemble their roster, the Lions decided to give Philly's swing tackle 10M/season and the Bears are giving Jimmy Graham (Jimmy Graham!) 8M/season.

I am a little disappointed that the Packers didn't land one of Hooper or Littleton considering where their contracts came in at, but they are definitely playing this market a lot smarter than their division rivals.

 

[Dantés]

If they want to add another linebacker, De'Vondre Campbell would be a good reclamation project.

Campbell is a good athlete with terrific length for the LB position who showed a lot of promise as a young player. He struggled more recently, but that may partially be explained by having to play out of position in 2018 and the general decline of the entire defense in 2019.

If the market doesn't materialize for him, I wouldn't mind a 2nd ILB addition at all.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

How do you guys feel about Leonard Floyd? He can definitely cover, and with the loss of Fackrell he could be a cheap replacement to fill in behind Gary. He still needs to bulk up, but I like him as a potential depth signing who could rebound in a year or two.

 

[GleefulGary]

Former Packers’ LB Kyler Fackrell to Giants on a 1-year, $4.6 million deal, per source. He and Blake can room together!

Another potential comp pick for the Packers!

Should get two 4th's and a 6th.

 

[morango]

Should get two 4th's and a 6th.

Unless another signing cancels one of them out

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

How do you guys feel about Leonard Floyd? He can definitely cover, and with the loss of Fackrell he could be a cheap replacement to fill in behind Gary. He still needs to bulk up, but I like him as a potential depth signing who could rebound in a year or two.

I will let you know when I get done laughing that the Bears picked up his 5th year option last May and are now cutting him. For a short while when Pace first came aboard for Chicago, I was afraid that he knew what he was doing, those fears are now gone.

Pace's 1st round picks:

• 2015: Kevin White (#7)
• 2016: Leonard Floyd (#9)
• 2017: Mitch Trubisky (#2)
• 2108: Roquan Smith (#8)

The recent Jimmy Graham $8M/year signing was just icing on the cake.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Bridgewater to the Panthers....Cam Newton to....? Patriots, Chargers, Bears, Washington?

Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
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14m

Teddy Bridgewater's three-year, $63 million deal with the #Panthers includes $33M fully guaranteed at signing. He gets $24M in Year 1, including a $15M signing bonus. A strong commitment to a player who last was a full-time starter in 2015.

 

[PikeBadger]

I would still hope for a corner. Tramon Williams at a minimum, but hopefully someone younger.

Tramon Williams is in a situation where he is likely to be unsigned until after the draft, maybe in early June the Packers would re-sign him to minimum contract.

 

[Pkrjones]

How do you guys feel about Leonard Floyd? He can definitely cover, and with the loss of Fackrell he could be a cheap replacement to fill in behind Gary. He still needs to bulk up, but I like him as a potential depth signing who could rebound in a year or two.

Not excited about Floyd besides that he was a high #1 pick. Playing opposite Mack & with the interior guys on the Bears (Goldman, Robertson-Harris & Hicks) Floyd should've been one-on-one most (if not ALL) of the time and his production wasn't very good. I think Gute has other, better, cheaper options available.

 

[Dantés]

Tramon Williams is in a situation where he is likely to be unsigned until after the draft, maybe in early June the Packers would re-sign him to minimum contract.

I don't think there's a chance he comes back for the minimum. I would think 4M is the bottom dollar there.

 

[Mondio]

I don't think there's a chance he comes back for the minimum. I would think 4M is the bottom dollar there.

I think you're about right, 3-5 is what I was thinking

 

[hasamikun]

I am staying with Michael Pierce being the "big " FA transaction by the Packers. He is exactly what the DL needs: A big tackle with really good runstuffing abilities and with being 28 years old, he has some good years ahead . He will shore up the run defense, helps Kenny Clark getting some breaks and makes the DL rotation extremely effective. I am bad at projecting contracts but I have read several times that it may be possible for a similar contract Dontari Poe got from the Panthers aka. 3 years 28 million so it is possible especially with a potential Taylor cut or restructuring Zs contract. The Packers can afford him if they want to.

Also considering that the Raiders got Kwiatkowski and Littleton for ILB, they wont draft an ILB in the first and they were mocked to do so nearly every time. That makes Queen/Murray to the Packers even more possible and I love it.

Clark, Pierce, the smiths , Gary, Lowry , Lancaster, Keke give some really nice possibilities for the DL and behind that Kirksey and potentially Murray/Queen... hell yeah.

 

[Dantés]

I am staying with Michael Pierce being the "big " FA transaction by the Packers. He is exactly what the DL needs: A big tackle with really good runstuffing abilities and with being 28 years old, he has some good years ahead . He will shore up the run defense, helps Kenny Clark getting some breaks and makes the DL rotation extremely effective. I am bad at projecting contracts but I have read several times that it may be possible for a similar contract Dontari Poe got from the Panthers aka. 3 years 28 million so it is possible especially with a potential Taylor cut or restructuring Zs contract. The Packers can afford him when they want to.

Also considering that the Raiders got Kwiatkowski and Littleton for ILB, they wont draft an ILB in the first and they were mocked to do so nearly every time. That makes Queen/Murray to the Packers even more possible and I love it.

Clark, Pierce, the smiths , Gary, Lowry , Lancaster, Keke give some really nice possibilities for the DL and behind that Kirksey and potentially Murray/Queen... hell yeah.

I will be fascinated to see what type of defensive lineman they bring in. Because against SF, they got beat up on the edges a lot. They tried to play a true 3-4 for much of that game, and it didn't go too well. So do they targets a 1T type like Pierce? Or do they want someone who can play the 3T and disrupt in the backfield? Or do they want someone with length to play somewhere from the 4i to the 5T and hold that edge? There are options out there that fit all of these molds.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Tramon Williams is in a situation where he is likely to be unsigned until after the draft, maybe in early June the Packers would re-sign him to minimum contract.

He will get more, probably much more, than a minimum deal. He was the Packer's second best CB last year and slot corners are one of the most important position on defense in today's NFL.