Fire Capers

[bigbubbatd]

Sam Shields may be one of TT's best finds that falls into this category. Shields had only played one year at CB in college and was an UDFA project that turned out really well. Interesting enough, probably the only reason Shields wasn't drafted was an arrest for possession of marijuana right before the draft.

Shields was the guy that came to mind. Then Collins. Maybe Matthews would count

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Too many people act like the defense is the sole reason the Packers lost. You have to also remember the Packers scored ZERO points on offense in the first half. ZERO. Lost time of possession 19-11. First half drives consisted of missed field goal, fumble, punt, interception. It's not like they helped the Defense out at all.

The Seahawks had a top 5 total defense, and "limited" Atlanta to 36 points just the week before. Arizona's #2 defense limited them to 38. Atlanta is good, give them credit.

I am not saying the Packers defense didn't crap the bed, but the offense under-performed just as badly. There was a zero percent chance that 21 point by our offense could win that game.

Back to Capers, I agree with the basic premise of inserting a fresh guy just to give some energy to the team. Just not convinced that in this game especially, any defensive coordinator could have hid the Packers glaring deficiencies on the outside.

Creative I will say, but its really hard to not give some credit to the Atlanta defense for stopping a very potent Packer Offense. An offense that really shouldn't be in question based on their 8 previous games. Would it have helped on Sunday if Crosby makes that FG, Rip doesn't fumble and the offense actually puts some first half points on the board? Of course, but its a real stretch IMO to put much blame on the Packer offense for the trashing that the Packer defense allowed in that game. Even had AR and the offense been on fire, I doubt they would have won that track meet.

This doesn't even take into account the condition of the Packer WR group as well as the injuries sustained during the game on the OL. But I hate blaming things on injuries.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Creative I will say, but its really hard to not give some credit to the Atlanta defense for stopping a very potent Packer Offense. An offense that really shouldn't be in question based on their 8 previous games. Would it have helped on Sunday if Crosby makes that FG, Rip doesn't fumble and the offense actually puts some first half points on the board? Of course, but its a real stretch IMO to put much blame on the Packer offense for the trashing that the defense allowed in that game. Even had AR and the offense been on fire, I doubt they would have won that track meet.

This doesn't even take into account the condition of the Packer WR group as well as the injuries sustained during the game on the OL. But I hate blaming things on injuries.

I agree with you totally, but WHAT THE HELL happened with our offensive line on Sunday ???? They didn`t even look like the same players !

 

[bigbubbatd]

I agree with you totally, but WHAT THE HELL happened with our offensive line on Sunday ???? They didn`t even look like the same players !

A team figure you can just pass blitz every play because the Packers don't run the ball

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agree with you totally, but WHAT THE HELL happened with our offensive line on Sunday ???? They didn`t even look like the same players !

I think a much better Atlanta front 7 than anyone but Atlanta fans knew about? Who knows how this "flu bug" and other nagging injuries were effecting the OL as well as Rodgers. I don't think we will ever hear that excuse come out of Green Bay.

 

[Mavster]

I agree with you totally, but WHAT THE HELL happened with our offensive line on Sunday ???? They didn`t even look like the same players !

Atlanta didn't have to worry about any run game to begin with, & us getting down 17 just allowed them to pin their ears back and have their way with us while we tried to play catch up.

Our QB was once again our leading rusher.

 

[Bagadeez04]

I have a question. Can we assume if Mccarthy were to fire Capers, he would have done it by now? Does he have some post season press conference where he would be asked questions about it?

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

A team figure you can just pass blitz every play because the Packers don't run the ball

I`d never seen that front line collapse like that even through the bad patch. I just watched it again and it STILL amazes me.

 

[bigbubbatd]

I`d never seen that front line collapse like that even through the bad patch. I just watched it again and it STILL amazes me.

Yeah it was bad. Perfect storm. Oline struggled for sure but the defense knew the Packers were passing every play. Once they got down 17 the defense knew what was coming. The first two drives the Packers moved the ball really well. The line had a couple hiccups for sure. The speed of Atlanta seemed to surprise gb

 

[Un4GivN]

Creative I will say, but its really hard to not give some credit to the Atlanta defense for stopping a very potent Packer Offense. An offense that really shouldn't be in question based on their 8 previous games. Would it have helped on Sunday if Crosby makes that FG, Rip doesn't fumble and the offense actually puts some first half points on the board? Of course, but its a real stretch IMO to put much blame on the Packer offense for the trashing that the Packer defense allowed in that game. Even had AR and the offense been on fire, I doubt they would have won that track meet.

This doesn't even take into account the condition of the Packer WR group as well as the injuries sustained during the game on the OL. But I hate blaming things on injuries.

Lol thanks.

I just think there was a perfect storm of underachieving by all three areas. Just as there was a perfect storm of overachieving the week before.

If you told me before the game the Packers wouldn't score in the first half, what are the chances they won. I would have said 0. Literally Zero. I would take that into the super bowl. If NE doesn't score for the first half. They will lose. Atlanta is too good for that.

All I am saying is that when you compare my expectations of the game. A. Atlanta scoring 44 or B. The Packers don't score in the first half. Which is a bigger let down or surprise? I would definitely say B. To me that just means simply the offense under-achieved more compared to my expectations. You lose the turnover battle, miss field goals, line break downs, and your leading rusher other than Aaron has 17 yards.

For my 2 cents I'd say the whole team was a huge disappointment. Aaron had to play at God tier level all year in order to give the Packers a chance to win. We have no return game, no running game, no pass defense. Just brutal in a lot of areas. I think the Packers do need to make some big changes going forward though. Because I have seen this movie one too many times.

 

[Mondio]

I agree with you totally, but WHAT THE HELL happened with our offensive line on Sunday ???? They didn`t even look like the same players !

Well, by the end of the game 3/5ths of them weren't the same guys

But it was a combo of things. Getting down from miscues. A defense that couldn't hardly stand in the way. And I remember BahkT getting hurt in Dallas and Bulaga getting up slowly a few times. I think at least the LT was slowed down by the injury the week before. Toss in they knew they didn't have to do anything but pin their ears back and rush the passer down after down and I'm surprised they didn't get more hits.

 

[HardRightEdge]

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[pacmaniac]

We'll know we're right about Capers after he's fired and nobody else hires him.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Well, if anything Capers continues to prove his worth to MM. I mean you had the Packers defense (which was expected to be bad) going against the best offense in the NFL; the result was unsurprising, the defense gave up a lot of points. However, the Packer's went into the game with a terrific offense and were going against a terrible defense and the offense proceeded to do absolutely nothing and yet Capers, who coaches the defense that was expected to do poorly, gets the blame while MM, who coaches the offense which was FAR worse than expected, can sit back and enjoy Capers being the scapegoat.

And I can't wait for all the excuses that will be made for MM's offense; missed FG!, fumble by Rip! Ok, what about the dropped INT's? Why do the excuses only matter for MM? Rodgers' talent continues to cover for an unimaginative offense; offenses best plays often come when Rodgers buys time and the play breaks down, that's Rodgers doing amazing things, not MM. However, if MM goes, then Capers probably goes as well so it's a win-win!

 

[Sunshinepacker]

We'll know we're right about Capers after he's fired and nobody else hires him.

And if he's hired? Will some admit they were wrong? Or does evidence only count one way?

 

[Un4GivN]

Well, if anything Capers continues to prove his worth to MM. I mean you had the Packers defense (which was expected to be bad) going against the best offense in the NFL; the result was unsurprising, the defense gave up a lot of points. However, the Packer's went into the game with a terrific offense and were going against a terrible defense and the offense proceeded to do absolutely nothing and yet Capers, who coaches the defense that was expected to do poorly, gets the blame while MM, who coaches the offense which was FAR worse than expected, can sit back and enjoy Capers being the scapegoat.

And I can't wait for all the excuses that will be made for MM's offense; missed FG!, fumble by Rip! Ok, what about the dropped INT's? Why do the excuses only matter for MM? Rodgers' talent continues to cover for an unimaginative offense; offenses best plays often come when Rodgers buys time and the play breaks down, that's Rodgers doing amazing things, not MM. However, if MM goes, then Capers probably goes as well so it's a win-win!

Well said my friend.. well said. It's the point I was trying to make as well. But I do believe the defense the bed as well.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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[Pokerbrat2000]

And I can't wait for all the excuses that will be made for MM's offense; missed FG!, fumble by Rip! Ok, what about the dropped INT's? Why do the excuses only matter for MM? Rodgers' talent continues to cover for an unimaginative offense; offenses best plays often come when Rodgers buys time and the play breaks down, that's Rodgers doing amazing things, not MM. However, if MM goes, then Capers probably goes as well so it's a win-win!

How exactly do those reflect on MM's ability to coach the offense? Give AR a ton of credit for what the offense was able to do in the last half of the season, but I for one give MM some credit too for helping to resurrect a fading offense.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And if he's hired? Will some admit they were wrong? Or does evidence only count one way?

If he is hired and successful, that might prove a point. But the mere fact that he is hired, only says that someone else thinks he can do the job.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Personally, I had been on the fence for years over Dom. What I would like to read are reasons why Dom deserves to continue to be the DC of the Green Bay Packers. Seems like a lot of reasons listed in this thread as to why he shouldn't. I am open to the positives too.

 

[Un4GivN]

Personally, I have been on the fence for years over Dom. What I would like to read are reasons why Dom deserves to continue to be the DC of the Green Bay Packers. Seems like a lot of reasons listed in this thread as to why he shouldn't. I am open to the positives too.

He has impeccable hair for being 66... That's a positive

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[Pokerbrat2000]

He has impeccable hair for being 66... That's a positive

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LOL...are you 100% sure its his own?

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[Un4GivN]

LOL...are you 100% sure its his own?

Valid point! I'll have my research assistants look into that.

I think some of the positives you can look at are:

1. He is a bright defensive mind, the way he used Woodson to blitz, some of the packages he has had like the pycho package had some results. Given the right talent he comes up with creative ways to use it.

2. You know what you have with Dom, he's established and has a good working relationship with the current coaching staff.

3. Since 2010 the Packers are plus about 65 in the turnover ratio. Only 1 other team in the NFL is better.... Guess who Yep the New England Patriots.

4. I still believe he has the ability (coaching acumen) to field a top 5 defense given the right personnel

5. It can't really get worse? I mean that's a positive right?

Doing my best here, since I am not a HUGE Capers fan. But I do believe there is much worse DC's than Dom.

 

[swhitset]

Personally, I had been on the fence for years over Dom. What I would like to read are reasons why Dom deserves to continue to be the DC of the Green Bay Packers. Seems like a lot of reasons listed in this thread as to why he shouldn't. I am open to the positives too.

I think the odds are high that IF he wanted to continue coaching which is not a given, he would be given a job somewhere. I don't think he is a good fit with Ted Thompson's method of building a team, but I would bet that there are still teams out there where he could be effective.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Valid point! I'll have my research assistants look into that.

I think some of the positives you can look at are:

1. He is a bright defensive mind, the way he used Woodson to blitz, some of the packages he has had like the pycho package had some results. Given the right talent he comes up with creative ways to use it.

2. You know what you have with Dom, he's established and has a good working relationship with the current coaching staff.

3. Since 2010 the Packers are plus about 65 in the turnover ratio. Only 1 other team in the NFL is better.... Guess who Yep the New England Patriots.

4. I still believe he has the ability (coaching acumen) to field a top 5 defense given the right personnel

5. It can't really get worse? I mean that's a positive right?

Doing my best here, since I am not a HUGE Capers fan. But I do believe there is much worse DC's than Dom.

All of your reasons are why I have been on the fence with Capers. I think what finally pushed me off the fence and over into the "Fire Capers" yard was this year. Another "oh so close to making the Superbowl" without a top 10 defense. The stat of having a defense that in their last 7 playoff loses (8 years), gave up an average of 36.29 points is also really hard to ignore.

Yup, Dom is a good guy, brilliant mind, maybe not given enough talent by TT, but it just feels like its time to move on and hope you find a better DC, knowing fully well that we might not.