Defending Janis

[Curly Calhoun]

Abby wasn't getting cut with his training camp regardless of any kind of injury to Janis

Maybe, maybe not. If the Packers only keep 6 WR's obviously someone has to go. Nelson, Cobb, Adams & Montgomery are probably locks, and I doubt GB will cut speedy Trevor Davis or risk putting him on the PS. That leaves one spot.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Maybe, maybe not. If the Packers only keep 6 WR's obviously someone has to go. Nelson, Cobb, Adams & Montgomery are probably locks, and I doubt GB will cut speedy Trevor Davis or risk putting him on the PS. That leaves one spot.

According to multiple reports during the offseason Abbrederis has been at least the second best wide receiver behind Cobb during practices (obviously with Nelson and Montgomery not able to practice). There was absolutely no way he would have been released even if Janis had stayed healthy.

 

[Poppa San]

Maybe, maybe not. If the Packers only keep 6 WR's obviously someone has to go. Nelson, Cobb, Adams & Montgomery are probably locks, and I doubt GB will cut speedy Trevor Davis or risk putting him on the PS. That leaves one spot.

What is the affection for Davis? Low round and UDFA speedy receivers will be all over the waiver wire on cutdown day.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

What is the affection for Davis? Low round and UDFA speedy receivers will be all over the waiver wire on cutdown day.

Especially the ones that struggle separating from press coverage. Davis has struggled since the pads have come on and as of right now for sure doesn't deserve to make the final roster instead of Abbrederis.

 

[Mondio]

I was surprised Davis was available when he was in the draft. Speedy guy with good hands, but he has a lot to prove before he's given a roster spot over what we have. I've been less impressed by a lot with his short time in the NFL than I thought I'd be. So far

 

[Half Empty]

Time to start a "Defending Davis" thread?

 

[RRyder]

What is the affection for Davis? Low round and UDFA speedy receivers will be all over the waiver wire on cutdown day.

Why do we have a huge thread a people defending another low round speedy reciever?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I liked Davis on film when we drafted him and thought at the time that he might be a gamble to try and put on the PS at pick #163 of the draft. But today I feel that if he doesn't show a whole lot in the next 3 weeks, I wager he will easily slide to the PS without the fear of losing him to another team. Abbrederis was kind of the same at pick #176 and he has spent quite a bit of time on the PS. I'm guessing that each team has a number of young WR's that are slowly learning their systems and aren't going to grab Davis to put on their final 53, unless Davis really steps up.

 

[Mondio]

I liked Davis on film when we drafted him and thought at the time that he might be a gamble to try and put on the PS at pick #163 of the draft. But today I feel that if he doesn't show a whole lot in the next 3 weeks, I wager he will easily slide to the PS without the fear of losing him to another team. Abbrederis was kind of the same at pick #176 and he has spent quite a bit of time on the PS. I'm guessing that each team has a number of young WR's that are slowly learning their systems and aren't going to grab Davis to put on their final 53, unless Davis really steps up.

Very true, though I was impressed with his college highlight videos, it's very apparent most other teams weren't, that's why he was drafted where he was. and he's done nothing so far change any of their low round evaluations on the guy so why would we be in such great danger of losing him from the PS? lots of other teams have lots of other players they like too and would like to keep around.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

and he's done nothing so far change any of their low round evaluations on the guy so why would we be in such great danger of losing him from the PS? lots of other teams have lots of other players they like too and would like to keep around.

It's possible, albeit improbable, another team will snatch Davis from the Packers practice squad. The team was convinced to be able to stash Charles Johnson there as well.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Time and again we have seen young WR's come into the Packer system and struggle at first. Guessing this is somewhat similar with other teams and their systems. But by having guys like Rodgers and Favre as your QB, I think is motivation enough to not jump practice squads and stick around to learn from one of the best QB's in the game and bide your time to crack the starting line-up. Sadly though, it seems like our most productive WR's as of late, are high draft picks (Jordy, Cobb, Jones, Jennings), Donald Driver being the one most recent exception that I can think of.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's possible, albeit improbable, another team will snatch Davis from the Packers practice squad. The team was convinced to be able to stash Charles Johnson there as well.

I was a fan of Charles Johnson and was bummed when Cleveland snatched him off our PS and then the Vikings did the same thing a year later. I kind of got the impression that he wasn't a good fit in GB. While he started to show some promise in Minnesota, I think last year he was a disappointment, so his loss doesn't bother me to much anymore.

Maybe some day they will expand the rosters or at least allow teams to better protect their PS. But guys like Davis, if they aren't showing enough promise by the end of preseason, you just have to roll the dice and try and stash them on the PS.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Time and again we have seen young WR's come into the Packer system and struggle at first. Guessing this is somewhat similar with other teams and their systems. But by having guys like Rodgers and Favre as your QB, I think is motivation enough to not jump practice squads and stick around to learn from one of the best QB's in the game and bide your time to crack the starting line-up. Sadly though, it seems like our most productive WR's as of late, are high draft picks (Jordy, Cobb, Jones, Jennings), Donald Driver being the one most recent exception that I can think of.

I think it's true for most teams in the league that the most successful wide receivers are high draft picks.

It's absolutely understandable that a young player on the Packers practice squad jumps at the chance of being promoted to the active roster of another team.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I was a fan of Charles Johnson and was bummed when Cleveland snatched him off our PS and then the Vikings did the same thing a year later. I kind of got the impression that he wasn't a good fit in GB. While he started to show some promise in Minnesota, I think last year he was a disappointment, so his loss doesn't bother me to much anymore.

Maybe some day they will expand the rosters or at least allow teams to better protect their PS. But guys like Davis, if they aren't showing enough promise by the end of preseason, you just have to roll the dice and try and stash them on the PS.

Johnson was a disappointment last season, catching only nine balls for 127 yards. BTW that's seven more receptions than Janis had in 2015 yet interestingly no one would argue Johmson is about to break out because of his untapped potential.

I highly doubt the league will ever allow teams to protect players on the practice squad.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

What is the affection for Davis? Low round and UDFA speedy receivers will be all over the waiver wire on cutdown day.

He's a draft pick. Ted has been loathe to cut any player drafted higher than 6th in their first year (Davis was taken in the 5th round). Check it out if you don't believe that, but I don't think you'll have to go a lot further than Carl Bradford.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

According to multiple reports during the offseason Abbrederis has been at least the second best wide receiver behind Cobb during practices (obviously with Nelson and Montgomery not able to practice). There was absolutely no way he would have been released even if Janis had stayed healthy.

After the first couple of series, Green Bay pulled out Lacy, Starks, Cook, the entire starting O-line, Adams and Montgomery. The obvious reason is there was no need to evaluate those players, they're all guaranteed a roster spot.

Abbrederis, on the other hand, played right up to the very end, meaning no such guarantee in place for him. So, yes, there is a way he could be released. If there was no way, he'd have been relaxing on the sideline after the first quarter with Lacy and company.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

He's a draft pick. Ted has been loathe to cut any player drafted higher than 6th in their first year (Davis was taken in the 5th round). Check it out if you don't believe that, but I don't think you'll have to go a lot further than Carl Bradford.

While you're right about Davis shouldn't make the roster at a deep position solely because he was drafted in the fifth round.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

After the first couple of series, Green Bay pulled out Lacy, Starks, Cook, the entire starting O-line, Adams and Montgomery. The obvious reason is there was no need to evaluate those players, they're all guaranteed a roster spot.

Abbrederis, on the other hand, played right up to the very end, meaning no such guarantee in place for him. So, yes, there is a way he could be released. If there was no way, he'd have been relaxing on the sideline after the first quarter with Lacy and company.

I wouldn't put that much stock in the snap count during the preseason. In addition I completely disagree that there's no reason to evaluate Adams (who struggled last season) and Montgomery (who's coming back from a season ending injury).

 

[Curly Calhoun]

While you're right about Davis shouldn't make the roster at a deep position solely because he was drafted in the fifth round.

That could be. The reality, however, is that, barring injury, he's likely a lock to be on the final 53.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I wouldn't put that much stock in the snap count during the preseason. In addition I completely disagree that there's no reason to evaluate Adams (who struggled last season) and Montgomery (who's coming back from a season ending injury).

You can disagree, but apparently that's what the coaching staff has decided. That's why Adams & Montgomery were cooling there heals on the sidelines for most of the evening while Abbrederis was returning a punt on the final play of a meaningless game. He's still fighting for a spot, and the other two are not.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I was glad to see Abby getting a lot of playing time against Cleveland. I think the Packers would have been doing the same thing with Janis if it wasn't for his injury. What I am most excited about seeing will be Abby getting time with AR behind center. That should happen tonight.

While right now, Abby may not be a lock for the 53, one would have to feel that as long as he remains healthy and keeps playing at the level he has, he will be on the final roster as the #3, 4 or 5 WR. I also think he is getting serious consideration for return duties and that will get him even more playing time. Wonder how he would be at gunner on punts?

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I was glad to see Abby getting a lot of playing time against Cleveland. I think the Packers would have been doing the same thing with Janis if it wasn't for his injury. What I am most excited about seeing will be Abby getting time with AR behind center. That should happen tonight.

While right now, Abby may not be a lock for the 53, one would have to feel that as long as he remains healthy and keeps playing at the level he has, he will be on the final roster as the #3, 4 or 5 WR. I also think he is getting serious consideration for return duties and that will get him even more playing time. Wonder how he would be at gunner on punts?

I think he has the inside track to be the #5 or 6 receiver. Janis's injury benefits Abby greatly.

 

[RRyder]

You can disagree, but apparently that's what the coaching staff has decided. That's why Adams & Montgomery were cooling there heals on the sidelines for most of the evening while Abbrederis was returning a punt on the final play of a meaningless game. He's still fighting for a spot, and the other two are not.

Or maybe they just wanted to get another chance to get to see if Abby can be trusted returning punts. They also could've been trying to get a better feel on whether to move him up the depth chart.

It boggles the mind how people can think that a player who has done absolutely nothing but draw raving reviews in camp and pretty clearly has both the coaches and Rodgers trust is on the bubble but a player who has shown zero progression at his position in his 3rd camp, currently has a broken hand and was deemed our 7th best option at WR in a year when we desperately needed help at the position is still seen as a near lock to make the team based soley on his role as a gunner on punt coverage teams.

 

[RRyder]

I think he has the inside track to be the #5 or 6 receiver. Janis's injury benefits Abby greatly.

even before the injury Abby had a clear inside track to the #5 WR spot. Thats not even up for debate at this point.

If the injury to Janis benefits anyone it's Davis

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You can disagree, but apparently that's what the coaching staff has decided. That's why Adams & Montgomery were cooling there heals on the sidelines for most of the evening while Abbrederis was returning a punt on the final play of a meaningless game.

Montgomery most likely didn't get a lot of snaps because he was activated from the PUP list only days before the game vs. the Browns.

While right now, Abby may not be a lock for the 53, one would have to feel that as long as he remains healthy and keeps playing at the level he has, he will be on the final roster as the #3, 4 or 5 WR. I also think he is getting serious consideration for return duties and that will get him even more playing time. Wonder how he would be at gunner on punts?

In my opinion Abbrederis is a lock to make the team. He probably won't be able to atay healthy playing gunner though.