De’Vondre Campbell

[Pkrjones]

If it's a misunderstanding on either yours, mine, or both of our parts, we should bury it, and move on.

Personally, I've enjoyed the banter we've had on so many issues since I've been here.

THIS should be everyone's mindset on this board. We're all reasonably smart people, opinionated and highly partisan for our Packers. Lively exchange of ideas & thoughts...leave the attitude and personal attacks on PFT's comments area, not here.

 

[tynimiller]

I wish I knew where Olave was going to go in this draft. He can stretch a field. He might be one of the few receivers who can come in as a rookie and make a splash. I just don't see him going later than about #20. If he's there when GB picks, it would be hard passing on him.

I wanted Olave last year when he teased declaring. Love him and London both in MLF system

 

[coulomb]

Does the fact that midnight came and went and nothing was announced, mean anything?

Or are they not allowed to announce anything until the start of FA?

 

[Voyageur]

Yes. It means that they are now officially on the hook for the $800k against the 2022 cap. It applies directly now, so it's officially part of the problem, whereas prior to today, they could still count only $200k against this coming year.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

So little rumor on De'Vondre Campbell has folks swirling with speculations...

He posted on his instagram what appeared to be a current photo of Lambeau field and some "eyes" hinting at lookout for what is happening...

Now this could be he was in town to see IF something could be done NOT that something was getting done. Although either way appears some of the BIG discussions are happening (Zadarius clearly having been told he is gone...now this...)

This is one of 4 guys we can't lose on the Defense IMO. The other being Clark, Alexander and Douglas

 

[mradtke66]

This is one of 4 guys we can't lose on the Defense IMO. The other being Clark, Alexander and Douglas

While I like Douglas and would love to have him back, he's one of the easiest to lose.

Our presumed starters are Alexander and Stokes. There is even the argument that we don't have a great slot guy if you trot out a trio of Stokes, Alexander, and Douglas.

 

[tynimiller]

While I like Douglas and would love to have him back, he's one of the easiest to lose.

Our presumed starters are Alexander and Stokes. There is even the argument that we don't have a great slot guy if you trot out a trio of Stokes, Alexander, and Douglas.

While I wouldn't necessarily make the case that a trio of Jaire, Stokes and King (resigned) would be stronger or better than Jaire, Stokes and Douglas (resigned)....the argument is there that King excelled at the slot this past season...so the logic is there. However, also...if you had Douglas and Stokes, Jaire most likely to move inside a lot cuz the dude is just freaking good and can play anywhere against anyone IMO.

 

[Voyageur]

Douglas's value to the Packers is not only as a back up to our starting CBs, but as an additional back in both nickel and dime packages. That needs to be considered strongly, unless anyone believes King is a better option, which I don't.

 

[tynimiller]

Douglas's value to the Packers is not only as a back up to our starting CBs, but as an additional back in both nickel and dime packages. That needs to be considered strongly, unless anyone believes King is a better option, which I don't.

All things equal contract wise it would be a no brainer you go Douglas, but King has proven he excels much better than Douglas seems inside at the slot. It would come down to fiscal constraints that I personally would go towards King with an offer and also that would mean Douglas and I couldn't come to an agreement that made both sides pleased.

I see our CB room as in need of a "starting level" #3 whether that be Douglas, King or a higher draft pick....

I also am keeping an ear to Sullivan in FA, waiting and see if he gets any offers he is willing to take and communicating with him to let us know. For a cheaper one year deal Sullivan is better than many options and is familiar with the system. Again that occurs post draft and only if nothing happens with Douglas, King or another FA of similar level.

 

[tynimiller]

Which IMO happens after you've gotten Campbell signed or proven not an option. I'm choosing Campbell before any FA CB personally from a stance of it being cheaper most likely to the cap for an aging ILB than a more premium position like CB, even for a guy like Douglas which hasn't proven if he is what his 2021 season was or is he more what he was before - PS guy battling for active roster spot.

 

[Voyageur]

All things equal contract wise it would be a no brainer you go Douglas, but King has proven he excels much better than Douglas seems inside at the slot. It would come down to fiscal constraints that I personally would go towards King with an offer and also that would mean Douglas and I couldn't come to an agreement that made both sides pleased.

I see our CB room as in need of a "starting level" #3 whether that be Douglas, King or a higher draft pick....

I also am keeping an ear to Sullivan in FA, waiting and see if he gets any offers he is willing to take and communicating with him to let us know. For a cheaper one year deal Sullivan is better than many options and is familiar with the system. Again that occurs post draft and only if nothing happens with Douglas, King or another FA of similar level.

I guess I've grown to dislike King's play after he made so many glaring mistakes in the past. I have literally lost sight of anything he does well. Could well be an oversight on my part to be honest. You mentioned Sullivan. Another interesting option. Can he step up? He showed signs of being a pretty good player this past year, and could get even better. Hard to say.

I know there are some metrics the Packers use that will make the decision for them, beyond the money. I have no idea what they actually are.

 

[tynimiller]

I guess I've grown to dislike King's play after he made so many glaring mistakes in the past. I have literally lost sight of anything he does well. Could well be an oversight on my part to be honest. You mentioned Sullivan. Another interesting option. Can he step up? He showed signs of being a pretty good player this past year, and could get even better. Hard to say.

I know there are some metrics the Packers use that will make the decision for them, beyond the money. I have no idea what they actually are.

Sullivan has reached his ceiling in my opinion...he isn't a bad player, gives decent ST reps and can be almost any teams CB4 IMO.

King sentiment is fair, dude has been full of highs and lows and is a roller coaster no one enters a theme park wanting to ride but do because of short lines and when good you enjoy it (how I describe the years with King). That all said, he did grade out quite well at 70.6 last season, which was third actually behind Jaire at 75.1 (barely got enough play for a PFF grading last season) and Rasul (73.5). Sullivan got a 55. Stokes a 66.3

Don't be shocked if King and Rasul don't demand a similar total cap hit contract this off season given the premium of the position, that said I expect Rasul to pull more guarantee and slightly higher but I wouldn't be blown away if it is closer than folks imagine.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Don't be shocked if King and Rasul don't demand a similar total cap hit contract this off season given the premium of the position, that said I expect Rasul to pull more guarantee and slightly higher but I wouldn't be blown away if it is closer than folks imagine.

I think we are on the same page in regards to King. Seems like many Packer fans blame King, for us not drafting Watt. His injuries haven't helped his case either. So everything he does wrong, is magnified quite a bit by many. Meanwhile, he has had some good outings and when Alexander went down, I am guessing the Packers were very happy to have King.

If another team signs him this offseason, he won't be paid like a #1 or #2 CB, but it will be a decent deal, with his injury history probably reducing what teams are willing to pay.

 

[swhitset]

I think we are on the same page in regards to King. Seems like many Packer fans blame King, for us not drafting Watt. His injuries haven't helped his case either. So everything he does wrong, is magnified quite a bit by many. Meanwhile, he has had some good outings and when Alexander went down, I am guessing the Packers were very happy to have King.

If another team signs him this offseason, he won't be paid like a #1 or #2 CB, but it will be a decent deal, with his injury history probably reducing what teams are willing to pay.

And yet we are supposed to believe that King is a top ten worst of all time Packer lol.

 

[Mondio]

King has been up and down, with more up than down believe it or not and too many injuries. That one play I put far more on the DC than the player.

 

[tynimiller]

I think we are on the same page in regards to King. Seems like many Packer fans blame King, for us not drafting Watt. His injuries haven't helped his case either. So everything he does wrong, is magnified quite a bit by many. Meanwhile, he has had some good outings and when Alexander went down, I am guessing the Packers were very happy to have King.

If another team signs him this offseason, he won't be paid like a #1 or #2 CB, but it will be a decent deal, with his injury history probably reducing what teams are willing to pay.

My hunch is King will garner somewhere around $5.5M to $6M a year if one, 5m if two and less if he manages a three year...where I see Rasul could get as high as around $9M for a one year, 8 for a two and maybe 7 for a three....obviously that is a overall per season, guarantees will vary and construction of them could easily make the last years a "never happening year".

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I would think that the Packers have probably told Rasul and possibly King that they would like them back and then maybe given them a payment range. I think Douglas is going to get overpaid by some team that has a real shortage at CB. King may as well, but he definitely isn't getting a contract bigger than Rasul's. If I had to guess which player might be back in GB, it would be King.

 

[tynimiller]

I would think that the Packers have probably told Rasul and possibly King that they would like them back and then maybe given them a payment range. I think Douglas is going to get overpaid by some team that has a real shortage at CB. King may as well, but he definitely isn't getting a contract bigger than Rasul's. If I had to guess which player might be back in GB, it would be King.

Honestly my gut tells me the same and I actually think Sullivan has a higher chance than Rasul as well.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Honestly my gut tells me the same and I actually think Sullivan has a higher chance than Rasul as well.

I think Sullivan is a logical player to bring back. As you or someone else pointed out, when you have Alexander and Stokes, you need a #3 and Sullivan is probably the most feasible with as cap strapped as the Packers are.

 

[tynimiller]

I think Sullivan is a logical player to bring back. As you or someone else pointed out, when you have Alexander and Stokes, you need a #3 and Sullivan is probably the most feasible with as cap strapped as the Packers are.

Yup, if I'm Gute it is sadly the approach I take, Jaire, Stokes, Sullivan/Day1 or 2 draftee/ SJC/Ento are my "planned 6.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

However if all the reports are true, he did not leave GB Sunday with a deal which apparently is a "big/small deal" in that the voided years will hit...so apparently these voided years can be avoided or reworked @captainWIMM in some capacity if stories like this one https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/packers-did-not-re-sign-all-pro-lb-devondre-campbell are true. I only tagged you Captain because I know you and I both shared the confusion as to how those years are handled in future years should a player with them be resigned/extended before league year ends or apparently some deadline passes as it seems occurred with Campbell.

That's interesting, I'm not convinced the author is right about it though. It would take the Packers to sign one player with such a contact before it voids to find out for sure.

Much like I love Jaire, but we seem to have a really good CB in Stokes, on a rookie deal for 3-4 more years. If Jaire wants top 5 CB money, I'm weighing in his shoulder injury and the Packers cap situation, as well as what mode they are in (win now VS rebuild).

I'm sorry, but successful teams need to hold on to blue-chip players at important positions. I don't like the team paying that much money to achieve that but with other teams having to spend up to the cap as well it's unfortunately what it takes to get it done. I understand that results in making it tough to fit average players under the cap though.

Regardless of how people want to view the situation, the Packers will use what they can to insure their defense is solid next year. They have to, or it won't make a damned bit of difference if Rodgers and/or Adams are back. It would be outright stupid to let the best players they have on that side of the ball go, to insure they keep two offensive weapons.

Rest assured, as much as Rodgers and Adams are in the picture, maintaining the defense is as great of importance. Especially since they still don't even have a clue as to whether Rodgers will be back, or how long he'll stay.

Keeping Adams would be gravy. As much as we want him there, money talks.

Defense keeps you in games, and the Packer staff knows it. With a solid defense, and a good caretaker QB, and receivers, you can be competitive, although not necessarily championship caliber.

The Packers need to keep talented players on offense as well. If they decide to let Adams walk away in free agency that would result in the wide receiving corps being in absolutely dire need of an upgrade.

My hunch is King will garner somewhere around $5.5M to $6M a year if one, 5m if two and less if he manages a three year...where I see Rasul could get as high as around $9M for a one year, 8 for a two and maybe 7 for a three....obviously that is a overall per season, guarantees will vary and construction of them could easily make the last years a "never happening year".

There's no way the Packers should bring either one of them back if that what it takes to sign them.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Well done De'Vondre!

De'Vondre Campbell surprised single parents with Christmas gifts to win Week 16 NFLPA Community MVP award

De’Vondre Campbell was a busy man this year, doing great things both on and off the field

packerswire.usatoday.com

 

[milani]

Pair him with Gary on D and get that D Line built and we might shut some teams down.

The more I see, the more I like. This guy is all over the field. Quickly and quietly becoming the best ILB the packers have had in the last decade.

 

[OldSchool101]

Packers Daily: Giving back

Wayne Larrivee takes a look at the extraordinary off-the-field efforts of De'Vondre Campbell and others in this edition of Packers Daily.

www.packers.com

Walter Payton would be Proud of you De’Vondre!

 

[gopkrs]

I'd prefer to play McDuffie