Clinton-Dix traded to Redskins

[El Guapo]

I'm not a panicky person, so this move doesn't alarm me. The NFL has seen more trades this season and Gute is playing the game, wheeling and dealing as most fans on this site were begging for. So far he has amassed a pretty good stack of picks for 2019. In terms of HHCD, I think he saw a player that stated he was showcasing his talents for another team. Whether that rankled teammates or not, I do not know. However, he felt it was better to get a 4th round pick this year instead of a potential 3rd or 4th in 2020. That should satisfy the "win now while Rodgers is still young" crowd.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pettine has been grooming others to take his place during practices and the bye week. However, none have much experience playing that position on this defense in 2018 and that will create problems. Whomever takes his place will take some time to adjust but it may be addition by subtraction. I was pulling for Tramon to move from CB to safety. If Jones or Breeland are able to do it, then all the better.

I'll remain an optimist.

 

[El Guapo]

Demovsky doesn't know what he's talking about.

They would have received a comp. pick if he left and if they didn't sign a FA of their own to correspond.

If you let five guys leave in FA and sign five others, you're not eligible for a comp. pick.

Correct, it was one of the bonuses of TT's draft & develop model was that you stockpile picks and keep building through the draft.

 

[AmishMafia]

I can't see anyone else on the roster being as good as Haha at safety. But while they might have gotten a 4th in compensatory pick, that's not quite the same. Because to get that pick, they'd have to let him leave and not sign a corresponding FA of their own. This regime doesn't seem as keen on leaving the FA market alone and collecting a comp pick. The compensation is fair. I just tend to think this signals that the FO doesn't believe in McCarthy and doesn't see this season going anywhere.

I'll add this detail-- over the years, reading beat writers and people that cover the team, I've gotten the hinted impression that Haha is a strange guy. I guess this was possibly a lockerroom move.

Good points. I hadn't thought of that.

I know there was always drug rumors surrounding him as well. Hate to have that around the young guys.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

you should at least wait a few weeks until after what this secondary did against the Ram starts to wear off maybe to bring this up again.

Like I said way back when, when discussing the coaching of the Packers DB's, I will believe we have great coaches back there when we see the secondary consistently play rock solid. So far I love JA, but he was pretty well put together when we drafted him.

If seeing the number of "potentially talented" DB's crash and burn in Green Bay over the last several years doesn't concern you, I don't know what else to say.

 

[Firethorn1001]

If you let five guys leave in FA and sign five others, you're not eligible for a comp. pick.

Not necessarily a 1-1. If HHCD would sign a $10M contract and the Packers sign some FA to a $5M contract, they still might get something.. just maybe a 6th or 7th. What that formula is.. who knows. Written on the back of the 11 herbs and spices recipe recipe for KFC...

 

[Mondio]

Not necessarily a 1-1. If HHCD would sign a $10M contract and the Packers sign some FA to a $5M contract, they still might get something.. just maybe a 6th or 7th. What that formula is.. who knows. Written on the back of the 11 herbs and spices recipe recipe for KFC...

I don't care how many herbs and spices are in there, the oil will make me sick to my stomach every time

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

As of now what is ratio of surviving players versus cut/traded among the approximately eight hundred DBs Ted Thompson drafted?

I believe they are now considered an endangered species in Green Bay. King is the only remaining CB from the TT administration and I guess you can say Brice, Jones and Whitehead are still around at S.

 

[GleefulGary]

Demovsky doesn't know what he's talking about.

Somebody needs to put this everywhere. It’s true the vast majority of the time.

 

[Mondio]

Like I said way back when, when discussing the coaching of the Packers DB's, I will believe we have great coaches back there when we see the secondary consistently play rock solid. So far I love JA, but he was pretty well put together when we drafted him.

If seeing the number of "potentially talented" DB's crash and burn in Green Bay over the last several years doesn't concern you, I don't know what else to say.

Such as? Randall? He was good, he was a headcase. Rollins? good season, torn groin, ruptured achilles. Hyde? was good. Hayward? Was good. Shields, concussions. talented guys like Gunter? UDFA's like waters? who all was wasted? You think it was a coincidence that actually having all our guys on the field for once was also their best showing all season in the secondary?

anyway, you picked a funny time to bring it up. considering it was probably one of the best showings of a secondary against the Rams all season. I'd at least wait until our Linebackers can't cover a RB out of the backfield to come back and rip on him.

 

[GB2016]

This is a classic addition by subtraction...Team will be better of without
1. HAHA...guy couldn't tackle and had no ball skills... replace will be better
2. Ty...other 2 RB's will get more touches with having to give Ty his few 6 + snaps per game.
The only part missing was to replace Zook!

 

[PackAttack12]

Such as? Randall? He was good, he was a headcase. Rollins? good season, torn groin, ruptured achilles. Hyde? was good. Hayward? Was good. Shields, concussions. talented guys like Gunter? UDFA's like waters? who all was wasted? You think it was a coincidence that actually having all our guys on the field for once was also their best showing all season in the secondary?

anyway, you picked a funny time to bring it up. considering it was probably one of the best showings of a secondary against the Rams all season. I'd at least wait until our Linebackers can't cover a RB out of the backfield to come back and rip on him.

In fairness, Hyde and Hayward were indeed good, but took it to another level after leaving the Packers.

 

[Dantés]

Not necessarily a 1-1. If HHCD would sign a $10M contract and the Packers sign some FA to a $5M contract, they still might get something.. just maybe a 6th or 7th. What that formula is.. who knows. Written on the back of the 11 herbs and spices recipe recipe for KFC...

That’s a good point to add. I am expecting that they will spend on a FA at least as expensive as Haha.

 

[XPack]

Thought he was worth more, but still a good trade....just not for this season.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

Christmas came early! We get rid of this fake leader and Montgomery. The chemistry in the locker room is going to skyrocket getting rid of these nuisances who didn't want to be here.

 

[Mondio]

In fairness, Hyde and Hayward were indeed good, but took it to another level after leaving the Packers.

True, and Hyde switched positions. Though outside of a hot start last year I haven't seen or heard much of him since then. and Hayward was pretty good here when he wasn't hurt with a hamstring injury, he was far from an average DB while here. and I'd say years 4-5,6 a good player should be better than 1,2,3. But they were anything but wasted while here, which is what was implied

 

[PackAttack12]

That’s a good point to add. I am expecting that they will spend on a FA at least as expensive as Haha.

There's definitely method to the madness.

There's a pretty nice list of free agent safeties for 2019.

 

[Mondio]

anyway, they aren't here and neither is Dix. I do think he was behind a lot of the locker room stuff going back to the Randall stuff last year even.

 

[DarkHelmet]

I believe they are now considered an endangered species in Green Bay. King is the only remaining CB from the TT administration and I guess you can say Brice, Jones and Whitehead are still around at S.

Brice and Whitehead were UFA, so that makes two of TT's draft picks still on the roster in our defensive backfield, yes?

 

[XPack]

anyway, they aren't here and neither is Dix.

This.

 

[DarkHelmet]

I'm back to thinking maybe the Packers should try out Yelich or Cain at safety.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Such as? Randall? He was good, he was a headcase. Rollins? good season, torn groin, ruptured achilles. Hyde? was good. Hayward? Was good. Shields, concussions. talented guys like Gunter? UDFA's like waters? who all was wasted? You think it was a coincidence that actually having all our guys on the field for once was also their best showing all season in the secondary?

anyway, you picked a funny time to bring it up. considering it was probably one of the best showings of a secondary against the Rams all season. I'd at least wait until our Linebackers can't cover a RB out of the backfield to come back and rip on him.

I brought it up because Dix was traded away. Once again a first round guy, labeled "pretty good", just like you labeled Randall, Rollins, Hayward, Hyde......yet for whatever reason, none of them are Green Bay Packers, nor were they "pretty good" on a consistent enough basis in Green Bay to say they were well coached or to keep around. Hyde might be the only exception and since he wasn't even coached by Whitt while in GB, probably needs to come off the list of failures by JW.

You can keep blaming injuries, but when healthy, the inconsistent play of those guys was obvious. Seeing players with loose mouths also leads me to believe they don't fear/respect their coach much either.

Like I said, I'm excited about JA, King and Jackson, but who wouldn't be, they were all seen as necessary top picks, since nobody else seemed to be getting the job done, including the coaches.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Brice and Whitehead were UFA, so that makes two of TT's draft picks still on the roster in our defensive backfield, yes?

Yes, they were UDFA's, but still have to give TT "credit" for landing them, just like Sam Shields.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

But they were anything but wasted while here, which is what was implied

You are confusing and meshing the words "wasted" and "talent". I am saying those players were not well coached, to bring out that talent. That is wasting talent in my opinion.

 

[GleefulGary]

With all due respect, none of us really know who’s a good position coach and who isn’t.

Charles Woodson though...he might know.

 

[Sanguine camper]

While I really like Gute so far, getting a low level 4th round pick for HHCD makes no sense. He could've let him walk in free agency and picked up a better comp pick. Packers have nobody in the wings able to replace him. Looks like the front office has given up on the season. These two last minute desperatipn trades were both stinkers. A 7th round pick for Ty Montgomery is no different than a free agent so the value there is basically zero. Why not just cut Montgomery or put him on the inactive list for the rest of the season?