Brown traded to Raiders

[swhitset]

I rarely agree with him but he pretty much nailed this one.

Lol so he’s mostly wrong.... but.... you find yourself in agreement with him. Hmmm.

 

[brandon2348]

Lol so he’s mostly wrong.... but.... you find yourself in agreement with him. Hmmm.

He perfectly described through analogy "the approach" known everywhere by the Green Bay Packers.

This approach has to change. Its our only hope.

I want some "Tech Stocks" and want a larger house rather then paying my current one off. We have to be willing to bet on ourselves.

 

[Do7]

He perfectly described through analogy "the approach" known everywhere by the Green Bay Packers.

This approach has to change. Its our only hope.

I want some "Tech Stocks" and want a larger house rather then paying my current one off. We have to be willing to bet on ourselves.

I feel something's gotta give at this point.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The Packers definitely have more pressing needs than to add another #1 receiver who is possibly a locker room cancer while giving up a draft pick as well as using more than $15 million of cap space on him.

I think people are still in denial that we are a pretty bad football team.

A lot of posters around here realize that overall the Packers lack talent but on the other side understand that trading for Brown isn't going to make the team a legit Super Bowl contender.

 

[adambr2]

The Packers definitely have more pressing needs than to add another #1 receiver who is possibly a locker room cancer while giving up a draft pick as well as using more than $15 million of cap space on him.



A lot of posters around here realize that overall the Packers lack talent but on the other side understand that trading for Brown isn't going to make the team a legit Super Bowl contender.

I don't agree that they are necessarily not a legit Super Bowl contender with Brown.

There is a very fine line between contention and where they've been the last two seasons, and that goes for any team. The Packers as currently constructed aren't all that different from the 2016-17 team that missed the Super Bowl by one game. The Eagles and Vikings weren't all that different this season from their respective teams the prior year.

That fine line can swing one way or another based on any number of things -- injuries, QB play, luck, record in close games, etc.

I don't know if Brown is the right solution or not but it's pretty clear there's an enormous disconnect between Rodgers and his targets and the status quo there probably isn't going to spark a turnaround.

 

[AmishMafia]

I don't agree that they are necessarily not a legit Super Bowl contender with Brown.

There is a very fine line between contention and where they've been the last two seasons, and that goes for any team. The Packers as currently constructed aren't all that different from the 2016-17 team that missed the Super Bowl by one game. The Eagles and Vikings weren't all that different this season from their respective teams the prior year.

That fine line can swing one way or another based on any number of things -- injuries, QB play, luck, record in close games, etc.

I don't know if Brown is the right solution or not but it's pretty clear there's an enormous disconnect between Rodgers and his targets and the status quo there probably isn't going to spark a turnaround.

It is surprising how one player can alter a team. I dont believe Brown is that player. At least in altering a team in a positive direction.

I think the impact of new coaching can have a much bigger effect. I would hate to saddle any coach, let alone a first year HC, with a head case like AB.

 

[Do7]

I don't agree that they are necessarily not a legit Super Bowl contender with Brown.

There is a very fine line between contention and where they've been the last two seasons, and that goes for any team. The Packers as currently constructed aren't all that different from the 2016-17 team that missed the Super Bowl by one game. The Eagles and Vikings weren't all that different this season from their respective teams the prior year.

That fine line can swing one way or another based on any number of things -- injuries, QB play, luck, record in close games, etc.

I don't know if Brown is the right solution or not but it's pretty clear there's an enormous disconnect between Rodgers and his targets and the status quo there probably isn't going to spark a turnaround.

With the addition of Brown, on paper hell yeah they would be contenders. They'd arguably would have one of the best receiving corps in the league. And if Jones can stay healthy along with Williams, we'd have a deadly offense. And considering our losses we weren't blown out in any games in regards to the defense, I'd say we'd be in the hunt.

 

[Mondio]

I don't know if Brown is the right solution or not but it's pretty clear there's an enormous disconnect between Rodgers and his targets and the status quo there probably isn't going to spark a turnaround.

There was, but part of that was the offense. While I think the "scheme" itself is fine, it requires certain parts to work well, and part of that is experience because there are so many reads and adjustments on the fly. Outside of Adams, they had no body else with even a year in the system, I guess kendricks could be counted as one and he was on shaky ground to start, but finished the season better than he started. But there was clearly dysfunction among them.

There are pro's and con's to every offense, "reading" a defense to get open and win a 1 on1 has it's drawbacks, but when it's working and everyone is on the same page, it's tough to stop. When the offense is predicated on "scheming" someone open, it works well as long as the scheme is working, but when they're waiting for you it's tougher. Just ask the Rams.

But we have a bunch of guys with more experience which should help just by having gone thru a season. and starting over with an offense will probably find things simplified until it's fully implemented. That will take time and should give the guys opportunity to grow and work into it and have success. We had guys getting open last year, but the dysfuntion all the way around often resulted in a wasted play. I do expect that to change just from a complexity standpoint.

If that happens, I'd rather a defender and some right side OL help more than Brown. and if the offense stayed the same in terms of complexity, there's zero guarantee Brown would come in and "get it" either.

 

[OldSchool101]

This would’ve been a really good thread to have a poll.

It’s too bad that there’s such a shortage of top end FA receivers, because I’d love to bring in one stellar Vet and I think that would be our saftey net if Adams goes down. Right now if Adams gets knocked out for any length of time? I’m just not at all confident that 1 good but aging and injured veteran is going to be our answer. That’s if Cobb is even here.

Are we prepared for this scenario? I don’t think so.. what say you guys?

 

[GreenNGold_81]

This would’ve been a really good thread to have a poll.

It’s too bad that there’s such a shortage of top end FA receivers, because I’d love to bring in one stellar Vet and I think that would be our saftey net if Adams goes down. Right now if Adams gets knocked out for any length of time? I’m just not at all confident that 1 good but aging and injured veteran is going to be our answer. That’s if Cobb is even here.

Are we prepared for this scenario? I don’t think so.. what say you guys?

If Adams goes down I have no confidence that we would have enough talent on the roster to help us make a playoff run.

 

[Mondio]

With a decent oline, jordy gone and injured Cobb and Adams all year and a ****** defense we were close with Abbredaris and Janis as our top WRs on the field.

We need a better team around AR. I’d rather get a guard and a safety that are just good football players and keep a draft pick than put that cap and draft for Brown

 

[brandon2348]

If Adams goes down I have no confidence that we would have enough talent on the roster to help us make a playoff run.

Even if Adams doesn't go down I have "no confidence" we can beat the Vikings and Bears or even the Lions consistantly with "JUST ADAMS".

We were 6-9-1 and trending in the wrong direction. I would rather have Brown and WIN then not have him and LOSE.

Bottom Line.

 

[brandon2348]

With a decent oline, jordy gone and injured Cobb and Adams all year and a ****** defense we were close with Abbredaris and Janis as our top WRs on the field.

We need a better team around AR. I’d rather get a guard and a safety that are just good football players and keep a draft pick than put that cap and draft for Brown

Your scenario above only works though if Rodgers plays at a NEAR PERFECTION LEVEL. At 35 that might be too much too ask or duplicate over the span of 16 games.

 

[OldSchool101]

If Adams goes down I have no confidence that we would have enough talent on the roster to help us make a playoff run.

And so what’s the plan? FA? Draft?

With a decent oline, jordy gone and injured Cobb and Adams all year and a ****** defense we were close with Abbredaris and Janis as our top WRs on the field.

So I’m not trying to set you up, I’m genuinely interested..what’s your plan? If Cobb goes who is your #1, #2 and #3 WR
As a failsafe if Adams gets IRd who is your WR
#1#2#3?

 

[sschind]

Even if Adams doesn't go down I have "no confidence" we can beat the Vikings and Bears or even the Lions consistantly with "JUST ADAMS".

We were 6-9-1 and trending in the wrong direction. I would rather have Brown and WIN then not have him and LOSE.

Bottom Line.

And I'd rather not have him and WIN than have him and LOSE.

I guess the Bottom line for me is I'd simply rather WIN than LOSE no matter who is on the roster. I know you feel the same but sometimes the way some people act you get the feeling that if we don't sign their player du jour they would rather lose just so they can say "I told you we needed him"

Like I said before, from a pure talent infusion standpoint I don't think anyone is saying that adding Brown wouldn't improve our receiving corps. Adding him would certainly give us one of the top receiving combos in the league. Some people just don't think the top receiving combos are much of a guarantee for winning a Super Bowl. It didn't help the Steelers last year. It didn't help the vikings. I know we have Aaron Rodgers and it does make a difference who is throwing the ball but is having two of the best WRs in the game the goal we should strive for. You obviously say yes, some say no.

The two main points for people who are arguing against trading for him are 1) His attitude and the potential negative ramifications and 2) Would the draft pick, and the money needed to have him be better spent somewhere else? IMO a lot of people are over reacting on the first point but I do understand their argument. The second part is where I fall. If it is going to take pick number 30 and 13-15 million cap space (or more if he wants a new deal) to get him here I'm not sure that is the best way to spend those assets. I'd rather get Humphries, who I think fills a bigger need at slot receiver and a solid OLineman for depth in FA and use the draft pick on someone like Irv Smith Jr.

Now I know you can't fathom drafting a TE that early because you have tunnel vision and can only think of one option. Do whatever it takes to get Antonio Brown. You think he is the key to our success and that's fine. Others don't and that's fine too. Sadly you don't think so and anyone who doesn't want Brown is just settling for a losing team and doesn't care about getting any better.

 

[OldSchool101]

And I'd rather not have him and WIN than have him and LOSE.

I guess the Bottom line for me is I'd simply rather WIN than LOSE no matter who is on the roster. I know you feel the same but sometimes the way some people act you get the feeling that if we don't sign their player du jour they would rather lose just so they can say "I told you we needed him"

Like I said before, from a pure talent infusion standpoint I don't think anyone is saying that adding Brown wouldn't improve our receiving corps. Adding him would certainly give us one of the top receiving combos in the league. Some people just don't think the top receiving combos are much of a guarantee for winning a Super Bowl. It didn't help the Steelers last year. It didn't help the vikings. I know we have Aaron Rodgers and it does make a difference who is throwing the ball but is having two of the best WRs in the game the goal we should strive for. You obviously say yes, some say no.

The two main points for people who are arguing against trading for him are 1) His attitude and the potential negative ramifications and 2) Would the draft pick, and the money needed to have him be better spent somewhere else? IMO a lot of people are over reacting on the first point but I do understand their argument. The second part is where I fall. If it is going to take pick number 30 and 13-15 million cap space (or more if he wants a new deal) to get him here I'm not sure that is the best way to spend those assets. I'd rather get Humphries, who I think fills a bigger need at slot receiver and a solid OLineman for depth in FA and use the draft pick on someone like Irv Smith Jr.

Now I know you can't fathom drafting a TE that early because you have tunnel vision and can only think of one option. Do whatever it takes to get Antonio Brown. You think he is the key to our success and that's fine. Others don't and that's fine too. Sadly you don't think so and anyone who doesn't want Brown is just settling for a losing team and doesn't care about getting any better.

Finally someone with an alternative!
Everyone’s saying no no no and possibly me included. But Brandon does have some relevance in that we need a solution and the vast majority of posts don’t provide a solution. I don’t believe the status quo is the direction we should head.
I’m not comfortable injecting a guy at pick #75 or #140 selection or whatever and waiting 2 years to see if they pan out.
I like Humphries also. Tate or John Brown could be short term answers also. That would allow us to pick WR a few selections down the board if needed.

 

[Mondio]

Finally someone with an alternative!
Everyone’s saying no no no and possibly me included. But Brandon does have some relevance in that we need a solution and the vast majority of posts don’t provide a solution. I don’t believe the status quo is the direction we should head.
I’m not comfortable injecting a guy at pick #75 or #140 selection or whatever and waiting 2 years to see if they pan out.
I like Humphries also. Tate or John Brown could be short term answers also. That would allow us to pick WR a few selections down the board if needed.

who's satisfied with the status quo? we have 10 draft picks coming up, we have almost a completely new staff that has to get to know what this team is, and what it needs to fill their vision, we have some big contract guys leaving most likely. FA hasn't even started. There are 3,4 vet WR's that can help this team and leave us with lots left to help the team, or sign Brown.

There are more alternatives to this team getting better than hairs on my italian friend's back. Signing Brown and giving up draft picks and likely having to sign him to a larger contract to get him to play is not the only one.

 

[brandon2348]

And I'd rather not have him and WIN than have him and LOSE.

I guess the Bottom line for me is I'd simply rather WIN than LOSE no matter who is on the roster. I know you feel the same but sometimes the way some people act you get the feeling that if we don't sign their player du jour they would rather lose just so they can say "I told you we needed him"

Like I said before, from a pure talent infusion standpoint I don't think anyone is saying that adding Brown wouldn't improve our receiving corps. Adding him would certainly give us one of the top receiving combos in the league. Some people just don't think the top receiving combos are much of a guarantee for winning a Super Bowl. It didn't help the Steelers last year. It didn't help the vikings. I know we have Aaron Rodgers and it does make a difference who is throwing the ball but is having two of the best WRs in the game the goal we should strive for. You obviously say yes, some say no.

The two main points for people who are arguing against trading for him are 1) His attitude and the potential negative ramifications and 2) Would the draft pick, and the money needed to have him be better spent somewhere else? IMO a lot of people are over reacting on the first point but I do understand their argument. The second part is where I fall. If it is going to take pick number 30 and 13-15 million cap space (or more if he wants a new deal) to get him here I'm not sure that is the best way to spend those assets. I'd rather get Humphries, who I think fills a bigger need at slot receiver and a solid OLineman for depth in FA and use the draft pick on someone like Irv Smith Jr.

Now I know you can't fathom drafting a TE that early because you have tunnel vision and can only think of one option. Do whatever it takes to get Antonio Brown. You think he is the key to our success and that's fine. Others don't and that's fine too. Sadly you don't think so and anyone who doesn't want Brown is just settling for a losing team and doesn't care about getting any better.

It gets a little dicey giving up a 1st round pick but i don't believe that will be neccessary. Reportedly only 3 teams have appoached the Steelers about Brown thus far. Im thinking it will be in the 2nd-3rd round range which would be a golden opportunity for the Packers to take a chance. The Packers obviously need to do there due diligence regarding the situation as well.

Drafting a TE early is a huge mistake IMO. I have provided other "SOLUTIONS" that don't involve Antonio Brown as well.

No matter what the Packers do it will be hard for me not to cheer for them as I live blocks from the stadium. In fact i was there last night and if they can build skating rinks and intertube hills they can spend some $ taking a chance to win a Super Bowl.

 

[Mondio]

And so what’s the plan? FA? Draft?


So I’m not trying to set you up, I’m genuinely interested..what’s your plan? If Cobb goes who is your #1, #2 and #3 WR
As a failsafe if Adams gets IRd who is your WR
#1#2#3?

a plan now doesn't matter a whole lot, tags haven't gone out, FA's mean nothing right now, there aren't really any cuts available. I'd like to sign someone like an E. Sanders if he's cut. A guy like Tate might be an option if we're just talking WR's. Even though I think good WR's are easier to find than almost any other position besides RB, I wouldn't be opposed to signing a guy for good money, if he was young and in your plans for the next 4-5 years. I'm not inclined to do it for a guy that flat out quit going into a game with big playoff implications and I don't care about his excuses. and AB has a history of it. He certainly didn't put the Steelers over the top, not in decade and they were loaded on offense, so it's no given he does it here either.

There will be no failsafe if Adams gets hurt. sometimes teams are fortunate or they have a plan with someone to mature into that position and take over. Maybe we do, I doubt it, they're all so young. But then a vet coming over ensures nothing either as we've all seen, it takes time to get on the same page. I don't expect to have Adams go down and have someone just as good fill in, but if we get the Oline better, have 3 legit options at RB, have someone step up as a young WR the team can withstand it.

They have work to do, nobody is denying it. Get a better pass rush without having to scheme and blitz for sacks and a good rangy safety back there and suddenly we got 15 more possessions for our offense than we got last year. There are lots of ways to improve this team, most of which don't include Brown.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

a plan now doesn't matter a whole lot, tags haven't gone out, FA's mean nothing right now, there aren't really any cuts available. I'd like to sign someone like an E. Sanders if he's cut. A guy like Tate might be an option if we're just talking WR's. Even though I think good WR's are easier to find than almost any other position besides RB, I wouldn't be opposed to signing a guy for good money, if he was young and in your plans for the next 4-5 years. I'm not inclined to do it for a guy that flat out quit going into a game with big playoff implications and I don't care about his excuses. and AB has a history of it. He certainly didn't put the Steelers over the top, not in decade and they were loaded on offense, so it's no given he does it here either.

There will be no failsafe if Adams gets hurt. sometimes teams are fortunate or they have a plan with someone to mature into that position and take over. Maybe we do, I doubt it, they're all so young. But then a vet coming over ensures nothing either as we've all seen, it takes time to get on the same page. I don't expect to have Adams go down and have someone just as good fill in, but if we get the Oline better, have 3 legit options at RB, have someone step up as a young WR the team can withstand it.

They have work to do, nobody is denying it. Get a better pass rush without having to scheme and blitz for sacks and a good rangy safety back there and suddenly we got 15 more possessions for our offense than we got last year. There are lots of ways to improve this team, most of which don't include Brown.

Sanders would be a good addition, he's a good player. They'd save 10mill cutting him, but is that wise.... Their WR corp, and overall offense in general would be extremely young. I can see them keeping Sanders around for Flacco to have a vet to throw to...

 

[GreenNGold_81]

With a decent oline, jordy gone and injured Cobb and Adams all year and a ****** defense we were close with Abbredaris and Janis as our top WRs on the field.

We need a better team around AR. I’d rather get a guard and a safety that are just good football players and keep a draft pick than put that cap and draft for Brown

That was with no significant tape on Janis or Abbredaris, and Abby would have snapped in half with any more playing time. Janis likely would have ran a wrong route in any other game that mattered for a pick 6.

 

[RRyder]

Your scenario above only works though if Rodgers plays at a NEAR PERFECTION LEVEL. At 35 that might be too much too ask or duplicate over the span of 16 games.

Actually we need Rodgers to play at an MVP level. Which when a player is taking up that much of the cap its NOT expecting too much

If you believe it is expecting too much then we handed out a horrible contract last year and need as many value contracts as we can to offset it and AB isnt screaming "value"

 

[Do7]

Actually we need Rodgers to play at an MVP level. Which when a player is taking up that much of the cap its NOT expecting too much

If you believe it is expecting too much then we handed out a horrible contract last year and need as many value contracts as we can to offset it and AB isnt screaming "value"

That is a fair assessment. I like Rodgers and all, but we did give him a lot of money. Much given, much is required. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

But if there is one person I think that will rise to the challenge it's Arodg.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I don't agree that they are necessarily not a legit Super Bowl contender with Brown.

There is a very fine line between contention and where they've been the last two seasons, and that goes for any team. The Packers as currently constructed aren't all that different from the 2016-17 team that missed the Super Bowl by one game. The Eagles and Vikings weren't all that different this season from their respective teams the prior year.

That fine line can swing one way or another based on any number of things -- injuries, QB play, luck, record in close games, etc.

I don't know if Brown is the right solution or not but it's pretty clear there's an enormous disconnect between Rodgers and his targets and the status quo there probably isn't going to spark a turnaround.

There's no doubt the offense would improve by adding Brown but it would make it way tougher to address the positions of need on the defensive side of the ball. Therefore I would be in favor of adding a veteran receiver for less money (Humphries being my preferred option) and use the cap space saved on not trading for AB on an edge rusher and a safety.

With the addition of Brown, on paper hell yeah they would be contenders. They'd arguably would have one of the best receiving corps in the league. And if Jones can stay healthy along with Williams, we'd have a deadly offense. And considering our losses we weren't blown out in any games in regards to the defense, I'd say we'd be in the hunt.

The Steelers having the best receiving duo in the league didn't make them a contender although they had a better defense than the Packers. It would be smarter to use the cap space on several veterans at positions in need of improvement.

This would’ve been a really good thread to have a poll.

It’s too bad that there’s such a shortage of top end FA receivers, because I’d love to bring in one stellar Vet and I think that would be our saftey net if Adams goes down. Right now if Adams gets knocked out for any length of time? I’m just not at all confident that 1 good but aging and injured veteran is going to be our answer. That’s if Cobb is even here.

Are we prepared for this scenario? I don’t think so.. what say you guys?

I want the Packers to add a veteran receiver as well but Brown isn't my favorite target by any means.

 

[brandon2348]

Actually we need Rodgers to play at an MVP level. Which when a player is taking up that much of the cap its NOT expecting too much

If you believe it is expecting too much then we handed out a horrible contract last year and need as many value contracts as we can to offset it and AB isnt screaming "value"

If there not gonna put adequate talent around him then I would say yes they handed out a horrible contract.

If this was the plan all along then they should of just traded him at his peak value and continued this INSANE approach to building a roster.