Brown traded to Raiders

[Mondio]

That was with no significant tape on Janis or Abbredaris, and Abby would have snapped in half with any more playing time. Janis likely would have ran a wrong route in any other game that mattered for a pick 6.

It's not my position that's what we should be shooting for, merely, when parts are in place, there are a lot of WR's that can do the job. and it wasn't when the WR's were better that the offense played better, it was when we finally had some cohesion in the offensive line and they played better.

 

[brandon2348]

It's not my position that's what we should be shooting for, merely, when parts are in place, there are a lot of WR's that can do the job. and it wasn't when the WR's were better that the offense played better, it was when we finally had some cohesion in the offensive line and they played better.

How do you explain the year when Jordy tore his ACL in pre-season then? The offense appeared to slump tremendously after that I recall?

Maybe any old receiver can't do the job?

The only "PARTS THAT ARE IN PLACE" is to have losing football team.

 

[HardRightEdge]

...people on here can think im crazy but guys that have way more followers then me...

Jennifer Lopez has 43.5 million followers and she can't act, sing or dance, contrary to popular belief. Oh, right, she's an "influencer".

You know, if a guy writes something saying the Packers should sign Amos or Barrett nobody will click on it and he won't get paid. I cite as evidence the utter disinterest on this board with the discussions relating to these players. The internets have devolved into a lowest common denominator set of hot buttons.

 

[Mondio]

Amos is a guy we should be looking at. Young, good, will be here for while. If there's money we're going to spend in FA, I'd be happy with Amos and re-sign Breeland. I don't know enough about Barrett.

 

[brandon2348]

Jennifer Lopez has 43.5 million followers and she can't act, sing or dance, contrary to popular belief. Oh, right, she's an "influencer".

You know, if a guy writes something saying the Packers should sign Amos or Barrett nobody will click on it and he won't get paid. I cite as evidence the utter disinterest on this board with the discussions relating to these players. The internets have devolved into a lowest common denominator set of hot buttons.

Amos is solid but at some point were going to need to acquire a couple GAME CHANGERS if we expect to compete for a title and yet all I've heard on here is ewww and awww over taking a TE with our 12th pick that probably won't even start his rookie season.

We have learned absolutely NOTHING.

 

[PackAttack12]

Jennifer Lopez has 43.5 million followers and she can't act, sing or dance, contrary to popular belief. Oh, right, she's an "influencer".

She's hot though.

 

[sschind]

Finally someone with an alternative!
Everyone’s saying no no no and possibly me included. But Brandon does have some relevance in that we need a solution and the vast majority of posts don’t provide a solution. I don’t believe the status quo is the direction we should head.
I’m not comfortable injecting a guy at pick #75 or #140 selection or whatever and waiting 2 years to see if they pan out.
I like Humphries also. Tate or John Brown could be short term answers also. That would allow us to pick WR a few selections down the board if needed.

Actually John Brown was my first choice but to be honest I wasn't sure if he was actually a slot receiver so I went with Humphries. I like Tate too but his age is a factor although he is only 2 years older than Brown. Given the ages of each I think Brown and Tate would be cheaper than Humphries

If we need to replace Cobb I hope we do it through FA. Like you I would not be comfortable plugging a rookie into that role when we already have so many other young WRs to develop.

 

[sschind]

who's satisfied with the status quo? we have 10 draft picks coming up, we have almost a completely new staff that has to get to know what this team is, and what it needs to fill their vision, we have some big contract guys leaving most likely. FA hasn't even started. There are 3,4 vet WR's that can help this team and leave us with lots left to help the team, or sign Brown.

There are more alternatives to this team getting better than hairs on my italian friend's back. Signing Brown and giving up draft picks and likely having to sign him to a larger contract to get him to play is not the only one.

You should tell her to see an electrologist.

 

[gbgary]

Actually John Brown was my first choice...

but does he have any little indians? #dadjoke

 

[sschind]

but does he have any little indians? #dadjoke

I thought that was the reference but had to google it to be sure. I never knew he was the lead in to that song. Then again I don't have kids

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Actually John Brown was my first choice but to be honest I wasn't sure if he was actually a slot receiver so I went with Humphries.

Brown is primarily an outside receiver though, having lined up in the slot on only 23.2% of his snaps last season.

 

[brandon2348]

John Brown is not the ANSWER! He excelled in a Bruce Arians vertical passing game. He does not FIT WHAT WERE LOOKING FOR. On top of that Brown's effort last year was **** poor at times.

I am so tired of cheap imitation knock offs.

 

[4PackInNEOhio]

After the drama of this last week, it's nearly impossible to see the Steelers bringing back Antonio Brown. He's a generational wide receiver, sure Hall of Famer, not particularly young anymore but has not shown much decline yet either, performance-wise.

The late 1st from the Saints isn't enough, but the #12 pick is probably enough to get the Steelers to simply move on at this point, and we'd still have our usual late 1st round pick.

The upside is you would have two elite wide receivers with Aaron Rodgers, creating matchup nightmares and potentially transforming the offense back into an elite unit overnight.

The downside would be having a distraction on the team if Brown has a hard time sharing the WR spotlight, which seems to have been an issue for him with Smith-Schuster this year.

Would you do it?

No way do we give up #12...too many needs elsewhere. Wouldn't give up #32 either for the same reason. Highest I would go would be our second round pick. AB is a turd, but he's like diahreea - very explosive, and we have no one that is explosive on offense. If my arm was twisted, I would take him with the knowledge that it is a high risk/high reward. Having Adams on one side and Brown on the other, suddenly gives us one of the, if not the best duo in the league. Gutekunst is going to swing for the fences as he is facing unbelievable pressure to upgrade the talent around Rodgers

 

[AmishMafia]

AB is a turd, but he's like diahreea - very explosive, . . .

That is awesome. Well done.


Not that I agree that we should get AB, but that's awesome.

Would like to nominate this for post of the week.

 

[4PackInNEOhio]

That is awesome. Well done.


Not that I agree that we should get AB, but that's awesome.

Would like to nominate this for post of the week.

Thanks man. It's the truth though. Given our cap room and extra draft picks I think Gutekunst will be willing to sell his soul to the devil to upgrade the offensive skill positions. This has to be done via free agency/trade...let's face it, very few rookies come in and set the world on fire at WR. There has been so much talk of them doing so little to help Rodgers that the pressure to upgrade immediately will be too strong to bypass. Trading for Brown and signing a slot receiver like Adam Humphries or Golden Tate mixed with our current young WR's would be the most potent group Rodgers' has ever had. Draft Defense and O-line sprinkled in with a tight end. Those positions have a higher percentage of contributing right away. Truly, we are not that far away from being elite again.

 

[AmishMafia]

Thanks man. It's the truth though. Given our cap room and extra draft picks I think Gutekunst will be willing to sell his soul to the devil to upgrade the offensive skill positions. This has to be done via free agency/trade...let's face it, very few rookies come in and set the world on fire at WR. There has been so much talk of them doing so little to help Rodgers that the pressure to upgrade immediately will be too strong to bypass. Trading for Brown and signing a slot receiver like Adam Humphries or Golden Tate mixed with our current young WR's would be the most potent group Rodgers' has ever had. Draft Defense and O-line sprinkled in with a tight end. Those positions have a higher percentage of contributing right away. Truly, we are not that far away from being elite again.

Pittsburgh maybe more talented than our Packers and they failed to get to the playoffs with AB. For all his heroics on the field, he is a bigger pain in the **** off the field. Saddling a rookie HC with a head case is not a wise move IMO. Maybe we get a year of good behavior, but that's it. And it's just too risky. I think we are a better team without AB than with him.

 

[Stanger37]

Amos is solid but at some point were going to need to acquire a couple GAME CHANGERS if we expect to compete for a title and yet all I've heard on here is ewww and awww over taking a TE with our 12th pick that probably won't even start his rookie season.

We have learned absolutely NOTHING.

I stated in a post before to you, I don't totally disagree that if we have a chance to get AB for cheap without him b****ing and moaning about his pay and break the bank more than Rodgers is, could be smart but I wish he was available next season instead of this season because there is too much at questions right now to throw him into the mix.

But in terms of your "GAME CHANGERS" comment, name me the last "GAME CHANGING" wide receiver that won a Superbowl. I'll wait here. Because Cooks is 0-2 last 2 years. Julio is 0-1. And while I am thinking about the answer, you can go deeper and answer when the last time that big name of a WR aside from those two, which Cooks isn't even on the level of Julio (and AB) MADE it to a Super Bowl? History shows big name WR and RB don't make it that far. I don't know if there is anyone saying the Pack are going for TJ at #12, it is all #30 if he is still there. And I'd argue that putting him in a two TE set with Graham would equal production, with Adams on the outside and a much less name than AB.

 

[The Coordinator]

He's making it clear he's not playing for his contract. So now you've traded for him, now what? he's holding out. You're going to give him a new one? How much? How far down this hole do you want him to take you, with the hope that a guy that has shown he is as selfish as they come, will abide by a new contract and play for the team? Because unlike Monty, he's going to be asking for guarantees and a lot of money. You think he's playing for 12 million? How big of a bonus are you giving him? How long? It might just be a deal you can't walk away from in a second, not without big ramifications to the rest of the team and cap.

He's just a WR. He wasn't even the most productive one on his team last year and he didn't take them to any Playoff game, let alone a Super Bowl. While he has nice stats, I'm sure he played a pretty good role in distracting that locker room. Anyone thinking that adding brown automatically means anything, just look at the Steelers. Look at that offense. ZERO reason for that offense to be home during the playoffs, yet they were. Our offense isn't as good, even with Rodgers and you think Brown is going to be the difference? He wasn't there and they have a better Oline, better RB's and much better WR's and TE's with a HOF QB. Yet our Lesser offense will make it because of Rodgers right?

I'll take my shot on drafting another Adams. I know when things get tough, and 70+ thousand are booing you and tens of thousands are calling in to sports radio and chiming in on every social media site and sports blog and forum about "cutting" you and your paddlehands, but you gut it out, thru injury and come back stronger. Give me that guy every ******* day of the week. AB can go count his millions with all of his friends. Don't need that anywhere near me.

We might already have another Adams on the team between the rookies from last year.

 

[brandon2348]

I stated in a post before to you, I don't totally disagree that if we have a chance to get AB for cheap without him b****ing and moaning about his pay and break the bank more than Rodgers is, could be smart but I wish he was available next season instead of this season because there is too much at questions right now to throw him into the mix.

But in terms of your "GAME CHANGERS" comment, name me the last "GAME CHANGING" wide receiver that won a Superbowl. I'll wait here. Because Cooks is 0-2 last 2 years. Julio is 0-1. And while I am thinking about the answer, you can go deeper and answer when the last time that big name of a WR aside from those two, which Cooks isn't even on the level of Julio (and AB) MADE it to a Super Bowl? History shows big name WR and RB don't make it that far. I don't know if there is anyone saying the Pack are going for TJ at #12, it is all #30 if he is still there. And I'd argue that putting him in a two TE set with Graham would equal production, with Adams on the outside and a much less name than AB.

Sorry, but I am not ready to crown Hockenson as the next great Hype TE of the decade. I've seen many TE's before him come in with just as much hype and not live up to it. I am not in the business of comparing potential production of a rookie TE to a receiver with HOF NUMBERS THE LAST 6 YEARS.

The CIRCUS SHOW and UNICORN CHASING needs to STOP. I just can't rest well with drafting a TE in the 1st round. We haven't drafted offense in the 1st round since Bulaga and now were going to do it on a TE. OMG!

 

[4PackInNEOhio]

Pittsburgh maybe more talented than our Packers and they failed to get to the playoffs with AB. For all his heroics on the field, he is a bigger pain in the **** off the field. Saddling a rookie HC with a head case is not a wise move IMO. Maybe we get a year of good behavior, but that's it. And it's just too risky. I think we are a better team without AB than with him.

To be honest, I agree with you. There are a lot more red flags with AB, than the opposite, that's for sure. At his age, he is on the back end of his career, a pain in the neck, will command a huge chunk of change and certainly not what is the norm inside the walls of a Packer locker room. I guess I'm just thinking like I believe Gutekunst will be thinking.

 

[Stanger37]

Sorry, but I am not ready to crown Hockenson as the next great Hype TE of the decade. I've seen many TE's before him come in with just as much hype and not live up to it. I am not in the business of comparing potential production of a rookie TE to a receiver with HOF NUMBERS THE LAST 6 YEARS.

The CIRCUS SHOW and UNICORN CHASING needs to STOP. I just can't rest well with drafting a TE in the 1st round. We haven't drafted offense in the 1st round since Bulaga and now were going to do it on a TE. OMG!

good deflection.

I never said he is the next big thing at TE, but I cannot speak for everyone here. If he is there at #30 and the best option there, I am not going to be mad if they pick him. If he is gone, or there is another pick that dropped to #30 and they get that guy, even better. Teams will probably draft him higher than maybe he deserves to go in fear of missing out on the next Kittle out of Iowa. I don't want them to stretch for him at #12 at all.

 

[OldSchool101]

There’s some talk about instability there with Desean Jackson. What the chances he gets traded. Should we move on from Cobb are we interested?

 

[sschind]

good deflection.

I never said he is the next big thing at TE, but I cannot speak for everyone here. If he is there at #30 and the best option there, I am not going to be mad if they pick him. If he is gone, or there is another pick that dropped to #30 and they get that guy, even better. Teams will probably draft him higher than maybe he deserves to go in fear of missing out on the next Kittle out of Iowa. I don't want them to stretch for him at #12 at all.

If they get him at 30 I'd be very happy but I don' think it will happen. If he is there at 12, unless another top prospect falls out of the top 10, I say we try to trade back a few picks and hope he is still there. I'm with you though, I don't like the idea of taking him at 12 for 2 reasons. 1) I think there will be someone else available that is a better value as someone will drop and at #12 it MAY be a bit of a reach and 2) because I think its a deep draft for TEs. For some reason I'm not hearing a lot about Fant any more since Hockenson took off so maybe he drops and there is always Irv smith. If we could land any them (well not Hockenson) at #44 I'd be ecstatic but I'd be happy with any of them at #30. From what I have been reading though there are a quite a few TEs with 3rd or 4th round grades so if we don't get one of the top 3 I hope we look at one of those.

 

[sschind]

Brown is primarily an outside receiver though, having lined up in the slot on only 23.2% of his snaps last season.

Thanks for the info. I kind of thought so but I still wouldn't mind looking at him as well, or more likely if we don't get a slot guy, as the opposite to Adams on the other side.

By the way, where do you get your stats as to where players line up and such. I'm not trying to take your job here away from you but sometimes it would be nice to look things up myself. I try to google slot receiver and don't get much.

 

[brandon2348]

There’s some talk about instability there with Desean Jackson. What the chances he gets traded. Should we move on from Cobb are we interested?

I saw today that the Packers are moving on from Cobb which makes all this TE talk even more INSANE.

I've always liked Deasean Jackson but not sure he fits what were trying to do and he isn't getting any younger. Doubt the Packers would make a move for him anyways.