Amari Cooper

[Mondio]

The best predictor of the future is past performance. More than a couple GMs are going to vastly overpay for a WRs. It happens every single year

 

[elcid]

I know what the pundits are saying, but there's no guarantee Cooper will make $13-$14M next year. There will be some options at WR in his FA Class, and unless he turns it around this year he could find himself making only about $7-$9M. The only way I see him earning that money on his current path is some GM leaps out and overpays right out the gate in the first week of Free Agency.

The same goes for draft capital, I'd throw a 2nd, two 4ths, and Whitehead/Jones for Cooper AND Joseph.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the annual salary a former 1st rounder on a 5th year option earns the average of the 5 highest paid players at his position?

Correct-o-mundo. Sure the young WRs had an interesting day, yet it has only been 1 observation vs a Lions team that fairly early in the match didn't mind giving up short yardage throws if it prevented the big plays. Furthermore Graham has not been an immediate contribution in the passing game. Cobb has been average for years. Only Adams has been steady, yet seems to have struggled more now that he is being matched up vs. the opponent's top CB every game. Some of the sacks we endure should definitely be faulted to Aaron for holding on too the ball for too long occasionally, but our WR's just have not seem as shifty and explosive as they used to be.

That being said, I don't take Cooper would change much of that. He'd definitely command some attention, but given that he is set to make 13M next season, and we'd probably have to offer more than a 3rd rounder for him, I'd pass. I'd rather find another target to spend a mid round pick on (at EDGE) and sign Dez. Say what you want about him but he has some heart, and we seem to need that back in the locker room.

I hereby reserve the right to change my view on our WR corps and its stability after this ball game

 

[Firethorn1001]

After this game I still maintain our priorites are OLB, S and OL.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the annual salary a former 1st rounder on a 5th year option earns the average of the 5 highest paid players at his position?

We could make it a condition that he renegotiates his contract as part of the trade. Most teams are probably going to take that angle. He's not a $13.9M WR right now. You know who is? Davante Adams, who is making an average of $14.5M per year. When he has those kinds of numbers he can get that kind of paycheck.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I know what the pundits are saying, but there's no guarantee Cooper will make $13-$14M next year. There will be some options at WR in his FA Class, and unless he turns it around this year he could find himself making only about $7-$9M. The only way I see him earning that money on his current path is some GM leaps out and overpays right out the gate in the first week of Free Agency.

The same goes for draft capital, I'd throw a 2nd, two 4ths, and Whitehead/Jones for Cooper AND Joseph.

The Raiders exercised Coopers 5th year option, unless they cut him or he agrees to renegotiate a contract, he WILL make around $13,924,000.

The rumors are that the Raiders are seeking a first rounder for Cooper....Pass

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

The Raiders exercised Coopers 5th year option, unless they cut him or he agrees to renegotiate a contract, he WILL make around $13,924,000.

The rumors are that the Raiders are seeking a first rounder for Cooper....Pass

I missed that news, everything Raiders was seemingly Mack related in the offseason.

I know they WANT a 1st Rounder, but just like when you're trying to sell your 2003 Subaru Forrester with 88k miles for $6500, it doesn't MEAN that's what you're going to get. The Raiders are starting high so that someone will "lowball" them for Cooper's actual value. I can't see anyone giving more than a 2nd Rounder right now; but a 3rd and a 4th seems more appropriate. This WR class coming up in the Draft is VERY intriguing, and there are some " 2015-2016 Amari Coopers" to be had in said Draft, so just continue to tank and you'll get one for the price of Cooper's current contract for 3-4 years, and you didn't have to sacrifice a high draft pick or take a huge cap hit.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

We could make it a condition that he renegotiates his contract as part of the trade.

That's impossible as neither the Raiders nor any other team acquiring Cooper would be allowed to renegotiate his contract until after the end of this season.

 

[OldSchool101]

What's his backpedaling speed?

Are those profile flags Indicitive of a “House Divided”??

 

[gbgary]

an inconsistent wr isn't needed here. our major needs are still on d and right side of o-line.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

an inconsistent wr isn't needed here. our major needs are still on d and right side of o-line.

With Kumerow being eligible to come off IR next month, as long as Cobb and Allison aren't long term, the WR position doesn't need more bodies, especially someone like Cooper who isn't familiar with the offense and wouldn't just step right in and be THAT guy.

I'm starting to really like MVS and I have always liked EQ. Would hate to see them stop getting snaps. As most are saying here, spending high draft capital and big bucks on Cooper is not only unnecessary, it would be foolish considering the glaring needs elsewhere.

 

[gbgary]

With Kumerow being eligible to come off IR next month, as long as Cobb and Allison aren't long term, the WR position doesn't need more bodies, especially someone like Cooper who isn't familiar with the offense and wouldn't just step right in and be THAT guy.

I'm starting to really like MVS and I have always liked EQ. Would hate to see them stop getting snaps. As most are saying here, spending high draft capital and big bucks on Cooper is not only unnecessary, it would be foolish considering the glaring needs elsewhere.

yup. this team's not going anywhere this season anyway so develop these guys and see what they've got. maybe with another draft and free agency (lol) they can make a little noise next year.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the annual salary a former 1st rounder on a 5th year option earns the average of the 5 highest paid players at his position?

No. The fifth year option is the average of the top ten prior year salaries at his position if the player was picked 1-10 in the first round. For players picked 11-32 (or 11-31 if Hoodie has to forfeit a first round pick ), their salary is set at the average of the 3rd. - 25th. highest paid at his position in the prior year.

You might be thinking of the exclusive franchise tag applied for the first time to a player. He gets the average of the top 5 salaries at his position or 120% of his prior year salary, whichever is greater.

How "salary" is computed I could not say. I do not know how signing bonus prorated to that year or other bonuses are treated in the calculation.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

yup. this team's not going anywhere this season anyway so develop these guys and see what they've got. maybe with another draft and free agency (lol) they can make a little noise next year.

It's definitely way too early to give up on this season. The Packers don't need Cooper to make it work though.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Dallas sends a 1st Round Pick to Oakland for Cooper. I hope he makes it worth their while.

 

[PackAttack12]

Dallas sends a 1st Round Pick to Oakland for Cooper. I hope he makes it worth their while.

Why on Earth would you hope that he makes it worth their while???

Cooper making any type of positive impact on the Cowboys could potentially be harmful to the Packers. I hope it is a failure of epic proportions.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Why on Earth would you hope that he makes it worth their while???

As long as Jerry Jones is running things the Cowboys will always be a mess. I doubt they make another Super Bowl appearance in his lifetime.

It's the Raiders with multiple 1st Round picks I fear more, especially if Gruden actually coaches $100M worth.

 

[PackAttack12]

As long as Jerry Jones is running things the Cowboys will always be a mess. I doubt they make another Super Bowl appearance in his lifetime.

It's the Raiders with multiple 1st Round picks I fear more, especially if Gruden actually coaches $100M worth.

The Raiders are in the AFC. We only play them once every 4 years. Only time other than that we would meet up with them would be in the Super Bowl.

They are irrelevant to the Packers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

With Cooper’s fifth-year option for $13.9M coming off the books for Oakland and the Mack trade as well, the Raiders now have about $74M in cap space entering the 2019 offseason. They also have three first-round picks. Those picks belonging to the Bears, Cowboys and Oaklands own, Lots of cash and what could be three early first round picks, can you say "rebuild mode" for Chucky and Co.?

 

[Mondio]

With Cooper’s fifth-year option for $13.9M coming off the books for Oakland and the Mack trade as well, the Raiders now have about $74M in cap space entering the 2019 offseason. They also have three first-round picks. Those picks belonging to the Bears, Cowboys and Oaklands own, Lots of cash and what could be three early first round picks, can you say "rebuild mode" for Chucky and Co.?

I can, rebuild

 

[PackAttack12]

With Cooper’s fifth-year option for $13.9M coming off the books for Oakland and the Mack trade as well, the Raiders now have about $74M in cap space entering the 2019 offseason. They also have three first-round picks. Those picks belonging to the Bears, Cowboys and Oaklands own, Lots of cash and what could be three early first round picks, can you say "rebuild mode" for Chucky and Co.?

I've been critical of what Gruden has done thus far, but it's actually not a bad course of action at this point.

If he came to the realization that his team is a long way away from competing for and winning a Super Bowl, you might as well blow it all up now and rebuild with a 3-5 year plan in place. Brady's at the end, Roethlisberger is getting older, and you've got Mahomes on a rookie deal right now with weapons all around him.

The Raiders were going no where. Now they have an arsenal of picks and cap space.

Chucky definitely about to put his stamp on that franchise.

 

[Dantés]

Gruden has failed to get Carr back into 2016 form. In fact, Carr is worse than ever under Gruden (career low TD%; career high INT%). He's shifting blame onto the roster and heading towards a messy divorce with McKenzie. It's what Gruden does (deflect blame).

 

[rodell330]

Raiders could end up being the Rams of the AFC next season. Suck and then boom!! One offseason they come back legit contenders.
They have a lot to work with. They say they want to keep Carr but if the Jags throw another first rd pick at them I’d do it in a heartbeat. Four 1st rd picks and over 100 mil in cap space?? Yea buddy

 

[Dantés]

Raiders could end up being the Rams of the AFC next season. Suck and then boom!! One offseason they come back legit contenders.
They have a lot to work with. They say they want to keep Carr but if the Jags throw another first rd pick at them I’d do it in a heartbeat. Four 1st rd picks and over 100 mil in cap space?? Yea buddy

The Rams turned around because they went from a horrible coach to a great one. The Raiders are stuck with their horrible coach for some time.

 

[PackAttack12]

The Rams turned around because they went from a horrible coach to a great one. The Raiders are stuck with their horrible coach for some time.

I'll never be able to understand the rationale behind giving Gruden that contract, besides just making headlines and generating interest.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

After this game I still maintain our priorites are OLB, S and OL.

I would say the priorities should be OLB, OLB, S, S...OL can wait. Packers have a good enough oline to win, the defense needs help everywhere but interior dline (and the number of snaps Clark is playing makes me think that might not even be set) and corner. One of the reasons I wouldn't be opposed to overpaying a little to keep HCD.