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[jaybadger82]

Not sure if the shift to zone coverage was the product of our personnel or if our personnel were selected with this coverage scheme in mind. Whatever the case, it isn't working and Capers is at the helm.

We've invested too many picks on the defense for this kind of mediocrity. I'm ready for a change in coordinators.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Not sure if the shift to zone coverage was the product of our personnel or if our personnel were selected with this coverage scheme in mind. Whatever the case, it isn't working and Capers is at the helm.

We've invested too many picks on the defense for this kind of mediocrity. I'm ready for a change in coordinators.

Biggest misnomer on our team is that TT has provided draft picks that are helping. Only guy is Daniels. Others are either injured or not great.

 

[jaybadger82]

Biggest misnomer on our team is that TT has provided draft picks that are helping. Only guy is Daniels. Others are either injured or not great.

Your willingness to ignore the problems with our coverage scheme in order to shift blame to the front office and injuries is almost sychophantic. I'm sure Capers has plenty of input into who we draft for the defense and everybody has to suck it up and deal with injuries at some time or another...

 

[Carl]

When an offense goes three and out five times in a row, then fumbles, throws a pick, and gives up a safety, and another three and out, any defense would give up points.

 

[13 Times Champs]

When an offense goes three and out five times in a row, then fumbles, throws a pick, and gives up a safety, and another three and out, any defense would give up points.

The defense has been manhandled since the opening kick. Score could actually be worse.

 

[jaybadger82]

When an offense goes three and out five times in a row, then fumbles, throws a pick, and gives up a safety, and another three and out, any defense would give up points.

Yeah- can't disagree with you about this week. The offense's inability to sustain drives made this one impossible for the defense. Bigger picture, however, our D has been hemorrhaging points to weak opponents during a stretch of games when we should be able to lean on them in order to scratch out a win or two without Rodgers.

 

[Carl]

The defense has been manhandled since the opening kick. Score could actually be worse.

Not saying the defense is good, but the offense is sure making it tougher on them.

 

[TA63]

Yep. Detroit has dominated this swiss cheese d all day. If it wasnt for a couple timely turnovers, this score could be 60. Fire capers and let Greene have a shot with this d. Mccarthy is uninspiring as well. Offer the head coaching position to Gruden. I read he may be interested in coaching again soon.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Your willingness to ignore the problems with our coverage scheme in order to shift blame to the front office and injuries is almost sychophantic. I'm sure Capers has plenty of input into who we draft for the defense and everybody has to suck it up and deal with injuries at some time or another...

No, it's realistic. Our defense was awful in 2011 I have yet to have anyone tell me how TT had helped the defense since then. Injuries suck, but they happen. Unfortunately those injuries have seemed to occur with regularity to the defenders that TT has drafted.

Whining about coaching when the coach has been given nothing to work with accomplishes nothing. TT is supposed to be great at drafting and yet we have no depth at oline, dline, linebacker, safety or QB. Outside of Cobb, Daniels and Lacy, who has TT added to this team in the last three years that has become a legit good player? I'm sure I'm missing a couple guys but not enough to disprove my point.

 

[13 Times Champs]

Both the offense and defense has played like $hit for weeks now.

 

[jaybadger82]

No, it's realistic. Our defense was awful in 2011 I have yet to have anyone tell me how TT had helped the defense since then. Injuries suck, but they happen. Unfortunately those injuries have seemed to occur with regularity to the defenders that TT has drafted.

Whining about coaching when the coach has been given nothing to work with accomplishes nothing. TT is supposed to be great at drafting and yet we have no depth at oline, dline, linebacker, safety or QB. Outside of Cobb, Daniels and Lacy, who has TT added to this team in the last three years that has become a legit good player? I'm sure I'm missing a couple guys but not enough to disprove my point.

You seem to think that TT doesn't receive a great deal of input from Capers and his staff before drafting defensive players. That's very imaginative of you.

Both the offense and defense has played like $hit for weeks now.

It's alarming what happens when our lynchpin is removed. Rodgers has obscured a lot of our flaws on both sides of the ball. Compare to New England when they lost Brady for the year in 2008...

 

[Carl]

Every team goes through struggles after being good for years. Eventually, picking at the bottom of the draft catches up and Rodgers isn't around to make up for that.

 

[ExpatPacker]

If MM defends Capers in his press conference pls someone pour a beer over his head.

 

[ExpatPacker]

Capers has lost this defense. The Packers' defense has been consistently bad and very possibly the worst in the whole league for the last 5 games considering the teams we've played. The failed performances by this defense under Capers just keep mounting.

And as for personnel, you can't use that as an excuse when you're 5 years into a system and you've had 2 drafts concentrating on the defense. Not only that, some of the premier players on defense have gotten worse: Burnett, Raji, Tramon. One of the main jobs of a DC is to develop players and get them playing up to their potential. He hasn't.

If this doesn't get you fired, what does? If MM and TT don't do so, then they should fire themselves.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Capers has lost this defense. The Packers' defense has been consistently bad and very possibly the worst in the whole league for the last 5 games considering the teams we've played. The failed performances by this defense under Capers just keep mounting.

And as for personnel, you can't use that as an excuse when you're 5 years into a system and you've had 2 drafts concentrating on the defense. Not only that, some of the premier players on defense have gotten worse: Burnett, Raji, Tramon. One of the main jobs of a DC is to develop players and get them playing up to their potential. He hasn't.

If this doesn't get you fired, what does? If MM and TT don't do so, then they should fire themselves.

I'm not happy with Capers, think his player development hasn't been great. At the same time though, when does the Teflon wear off Thompson? He doesn't like free agency (hasn't used it in years) and for all his reliance on the draft, he's only added Cobb, Lacy and Daniels as impact players in the last three drafts.

You can't evaluate Capers without acknowledging that he doesn't have much to work with. Since the terrible 2011 defense, Thompson has only given Capers Mike Daniels as a reliable, good player to improve that defense. That's it.

 

[Forget Favre]

Both the offense and defense has played like $hit for weeks now.

What makes that frustrating for me is that they realize that but are stuck in their tracks for whatever reason.
Either the circumstances are beyond their control or they can't improve but it's not easy watching your team going from the climb up the mountain sliding back to nearly where they started.

 

[Forget Favre]

Packers D-Fence players are not placing any blame on Capers and are taking responsibility for their own short comings.
Since they know the Packers better than I because they play the game and I don't, that is good enough for me.
I trust in the Packers organization that they are doing the right thing by keeping or firing Capers even though there are plenty of cries for him to be fired by the fans here on this forum and elsewhere.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-eve...comments/fb5f83d7-c2da-4006-a70e-a280c9f5555f
No blame game: As the Packers defense continued heading south in the second half of this season, some of coordinator Dom Capers’ players were asked if they’re still behind their coaching leader.

They weren’t about to blame someone who wasn’t on the field.

“Of course, 100 percent,” linebacker A.J. Hawk

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said. “It’s not his fault that we’re letting them run it down our throat. It’s us. We’re players. We’re on the field. You can’t sit there and blame a coach for that. We’re behind him 100 percent, all of our coaches.”

 

[profile_removed]

I can't and won't blame Capers today. We got what 4 TOs and still got our ***** handed to us? Maybe the fire Capers thread should be a FIRE TED thread at this point. I dunno I'm pissed and tired it's past midnight, and I've not felt well most of the week.

 

[7thFloorRA]

I think AJ should be questioning just why in the hell he is in coverage against Reggie Bush 30 yards down the sideline. No scheme should ever allow for that and he should be pissed as a player that he is made to do something that is physically impossible for him to do.

 

[melvin dangerr]

If practice squads are minor leagues in pro football I wish we could send players there to learn fundamentals and promote players to the pros that do/ coaches included….

 

[melvin dangerr]

Ok, if Capers were fired tomorrow and let's say Kevin Greene were to take over, does any one besides myself believe that the P-Poor tackling (Or more like flying leaps at tackling)will not continue? there is a FEAR of tackling on this team, in the back of some of there minds, I think they are flat out scared of getting hurt! YES I SAID IT… now boil me in thread oil…...

 

[DevilDon]

Let's talk injuries: In basketball where you have 5 starters it's painfully obvious how losing a blue chipper of say Michael Jordan's ability affects the team. Still blue chip players are rare.
In the NFL you have 22 starters and situational backups. (In the 3-4 you have block holders and gap shooters on the DL situationally, Pickett is a block holder, Daniels is a gap shooter). On offense you have blocking TEs and receiving TEs and so on. So there's really very many positions to find star players for.
Finding blue chips for any sports team is an incredibly lucky occurrence. What's more likely when you have a roster of 53 is that you hope to stock it with a 1 or 2 blues, a sprinkling of red chippers, some better than average and when not possible, average players as starters and coachable backups with upside or average talent without upside to fill out the roster in case of injury.
Argue if you will about each but I think the Packers blue chips in 2010: Rodgers, Matthews, Collins.
Blue in 2013: Rodgers, Sitton, Lacy, Matthews
Reds in 2010: Clifton, Sitton, Finley, Jennings, Jenkins, Barnett, Woodson, Raji, Tramon Williams.
Reds in 2013: Bulaga, Finley, Bahktiari, Cobb, Nelson, Shields, Williams. Raji, Hayward
If you look a bit closely you'll see it's the loss of the blue chip Collins on D that really drove this team down. There is not even a red to hold his spot until a blue can be found. And this is an organization that has had Darren Sharper and Leroy Butler all these years. The safeties are the QBs of the defensive backfield. Packers are lost out there on D and it's not Capers fault. Give them another Sharper or Butler or Collins and all will be well with the D.
As for the O - again, how do you lose a blue chipper like Rodgers and hope to have any continuity?
All I'm asking is that you all look at the blues and red and make your own list of active and inactive players and tell me how 2nd and 3rd stringers would look on a basketball team.
Yes the story of the 2013 Packers is the injuries. Quit calling for coaches to get fired, you might get what you wished for and that's really going to suck when the season is over because it's not the coaches' fault.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Let's talk injuries: In basketball where you have 5 starters it's painfully obvious how losing a blue chipper of say Michael Jordan's ability affects the team. Still blue chip players are rare.
In the NFL you have 22 starters and situational backups. (In the 3-4 you have block holders and gap shooters on the DL situationally, Pickett is a block holder, Daniels is a gap shooter). On offense you have blocking TEs and receiving TEs and so on. So there's really very many positions to find star players for.
Finding blue chips for any sports team is an incredibly lucky occurrence. What's more likely when you have a roster of 53 is that you hope to stock it with a 1 or 2 blues, a sprinkling of red chippers, some better than average and when not possible, average players as starters and coachable backups with upside or average talent without upside to fill out the roster in case of injury.
Argue if you will about each but I think the Packers blue chips in 2010: Rodgers, Matthews, Collins.
Blue in 2013: Rodgers, Sitton, Lacy, Matthews
Reds in 2010: Clifton, Sitton, Finley, Jennings, Jenkins, Barnett, Woodson, Raji, Tramon Williams.
Reds in 2013: Bulaga, Finley, Bahktiari, Cobb, Nelson, Shields, Williams. Raji, Hayward
If you look a bit closely you'll see it's the loss of the blue chip Collins on D that really drove this team down. There is not even a red to hold his spot until a blue can be found. And this is an organization that has had Darren Sharper and Leroy Butler all these years. The safeties are the QBs of the defensive backfield. Packers are lost out there on D and it's not Capers fault. Give them another Sharper or Butler or Collins and all will be well with the D.
As for the O - again, how do you lose a blue chipper like Rodgers and hope to have any continuity?
All I'm asking is that you all look at the blues and red and make your own list of active and inactive players and tell me how 2nd and 3rd stringers would look on a basketball team.
Yes the story of the 2013 Packers is the injuries. Quit calling for coaches to get fired, you might get what you wished for and that's really going to suck when the season is over because it's not the coaches' fault.

I ask this question seriously because I don`t quite understand the blue chipper reference, we don`t have that with European sports. Who would You blame for these short fallings ? Scouts ? Conditioning staff ?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I think AJ should be questioning just why in the hell he is in coverage against Reggie Bush 30 yards down the sideline. No scheme should ever allow for that and he should be pissed as a player that he is made to do something that is physically impossible for him to do.

Because our corners are covering the receivers. The issue isn't the scheme, none of our linebackers could cover Bush out of the backfield, that's one of the advantages that Bush brings. The Lions were dominating our dline and so we couldn't afford to take a LB off the field to bring in a corner to cover him.

We had a corner and safety on Johnson, another corner on the other WR and the safety on the TE, there wasn't anyone else to cover him. Also, Hawk was actually in position to make the play, it's not like Bush left him in the dust.

 

[Shawnsta3]

Out of that defense minded draft, Perry, Hayward and Worthy have all missed about a year of the two they've been here. They've been available to perform their job, and help that defense about 50% of the time. Whether you want to admit it or not, that puts Capers at a severe disadvantage. He cannot coach them up if they are not on the field.

I believe he needs to be fired just as much as the next guy, but he's been given a full deck of playing cards once since he's been year.

With that being said, giving free release to the Lions WR's? That's the same stuff our very offense tore apart for years.. SMH