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[OldSchool101]

I don't believe for a moment that the Packers will shop Love around the league. He's potentially a solid enough back up at this point that he'd be better than almost any who would be available via trade, or free agency. Add to that, his knowledge of the Packer system, and his salary isn't bad for a guy who carries a clip board as #2.

The only way he's going to believing, in my opinion, is if someone comes along and makes an offer they can't refuse.

I’m in the middle. I think we keep him for 2022 and let Clements do his thing. Even just having another full camp and preseason is substantial for a growth opportunity.
I think it gives us a season to groom a 3rd option and we avoid accelerating guaranteed $$ into this years Cap. Even if we used one of our designated post June 1 releases, we’d still eat his dead -~3.3m $$ in ‘22 (and be void of a backup QB) and then pay him another ~$4m sunk in ‘23.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Rodgers level of play makes it hard to just move on.

His level of play in the playoffs the past few years certainly doesn't.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't think any would accelerate, his salary is guaranteed, it wasn't paid up front. So if he was traded, new team just takes on salary and remainder of contract. at least I think LOL

No, his cap hit would be accelerated. Love has 2 years left on his contract, as well as a 5th year option, if the Packers want to invoke it.

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[Mondio]

No, his cap hit would be accelerated. Love has 2 years left on his contract, as well as a 5th year option, if the Packers want to invoke it.

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I didn't realize he had a signing bonus, I thought it was all guaranteed salary, but why would they be on the hook for guaranteed salary for any other reason other than cutting him? If a team trades for a player, they take on his contract, which is guaranteed, so other than 2M or so in change that's left from prorated SB, why would salary be the Packers cost in a trade?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Jordan Love got at least a week of preparation as the No. 1

An opportunity is an opportunity.

Everything else is subjective.

Actually, that isn't correct. Rodgers tested positive on a Wed and that was when Love found out he would be starting on Sunday at Kansas City.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I didn't realize he had a signing bonus, I thought it was all guaranteed salary, but why would they be on the hook for guaranteed salary for any other reason other than cutting him? If a team trades for a player, they take on his contract, which is guaranteed, so other than 2M or so in change that's left from prorated SB, why would salary be the Packers cost in a trade?

Just like they do with many contracts, they structured his contract to be a smaller cap hit in the first few years. Apologies, I'm on my phone and can't capture the whole screen. The link is below.

Jordan Love

Jordan Love contract and salary cap details, full contract breakdowns, salaries, signing bonus, roster bonus, dead money, and valuations.

www.spotrac.com

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[Pokerbrat2000]

This is the Adam's or Love thread?

Offer Adam's 22/year over 4 years if he says no play him 1 year under the tag the punt that greedy b.. elsewhere.

It's the "Love to talk about Adams" thread.

 

[PikeBadger]

They will because they saw a certain amount of potential in him. He's young, he's practically only as old as this years draft class. he hasn't really had opportunity to show much. He could really blossom here in a year or prove he's not it.

Or most likely, continue to make incremental progress......... kinda like Rodgers did.

 

[PikeBadger]

Jordan Love got at least a week of preparation as the No. 1

An opportunity is an opportunity.

Everything else is subjective.

The Packers have never operated that way over the last 30 years. That kind of decision making is more likely to be seen in Jets and Lions headquarters.

You should apply for a job there. Warning, it'll probably be only a 2 year gig.

 

[OldSchool101]

I just hope we draft another WR early to compliment Adams.
If Rodgers gets most of the OL back clicking plus a young stud WR to compliment Adams. Then maybe we trade for a reasonable cost veteran receiving TE before deadline? We could get back into that top 5 Offense conversation pretty quickly.
Plus we have 2-3 very capable pass catching RB options (assuming Khylin heals properly)

 

[McKnowledge]

The Packers have never operated that way over the last 30 years. That kind of decision making is more likely to be seen in Jets and Lions headquarters.

You should apply for a job there. Warning, it'll probably be only a 2 year gig.

Didn't they do just that. Never is a long time.

 

[McKnowledge]

Actually, that isn't correct. Rodgers tested positive on a Wed and that was when Love found out he would be starting on Sunday at Kansas City.

An opportunity is an opportunity.

Everything else is subjective.

 

[longtimefan]

An opportunity is an opportunity.

Everything else is subjective.

3 days? In the loudest stadium?

Btw he did toss an td there

How many td did rodgers toss in the playoffs at home?

See how stupid that sounds?

Apply that to your thinking

 

[McKnowledge]

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3 days? In the loudest stadium?

Btw he did toss an td there

How many td did rodgers toss in the playoffs at home?

See how stupid that sounds?

Apply that to your thinking

What's your point?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

A Super Bowl contending team needs a veteran backup, not a rookie. Let's build the depth of this team the right way. Trade Love to Houston or Seattle and get back adequate compensation.

First of all Love isn't a rookie anymore. In addition the Packers hardly will have any cap space to spend on a veteran backup QB.

"Allowed" vs "Done without tampering" are too different things.

Actually the league is pretty straight forward about other teams not being allowed to talk to players headed towards free agency before March 14th. I understand it's happening nevertheless though.

Agree and throw in the fact that you still have a dead cap hit of $6.518M if you get rid of Love. So taking a cap hit of $10M+ in the backup QB department, wouldn't be high on my priority list. Also, I don't see a backup, including Love that keeps the Packers on a winning tract.

If the Packers trade Love the move will result in $3.28 million of dead money counting against their cap. The team acquiring him would be on the hook for his base salaries in 2022 and '23.

Putting a positive spin on it, I think for QB-needy teams you could really sell it by saying that Love's the same age (more or less) as most of this year's top QBs, he's had two years of experience in the league (well, at least insofar as that he's learned under Rodgers and trained in a pro-system for a couple of years), and arguably would grade out the same or higher than any of this year's top prospects, too. Is spending a first-round pick on a player like Pickett, Willis, Corral, etc really that much more appealing than trading a second for Love? I think it's a legit question that some teams might be asking.

Love only being another two seasons on a rookie contract could result in a team not wanting to give up as much for him though.

I don't give a damn about cap figures at this point. The off-season has just started. Who knows what moves comes next?

If you have to overpay...why not do it for security.

Unfortunately there's no way to ignore the cap for the Packers though.

No, his cap hit would be accelerated. Love has 2 years left on his contract, as well as a 5th year option, if the Packers want to invoke it.

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That's the cap hit the Packers would take for releasing Love.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That's the cap hit the Packers would take for releasing Love.

Ahhh yes....release VS trade....late afternoon brain fart. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

An opportunity is an opportunity.

Everything else is subjective.

Yes and facts are facts and if you don't know them or ignore them, that is when your knowledge becomes very subjective.

 

[tynimiller]

An opportunity is an opportunity.

Everything else is subjective.

Stop, you claimed one thing and it wasn't true. Just give a nod and the misstep and move on.

You can still discuss it was an opportunity for sure...but avoiding the fact your claim wasn't true just looks bad.

 

[tynimiller]

I just hope we draft another WR early to compliment Adams.

As much as I'd like this I don't personally want them to. At least not with our 28th pick...now if we trade back, have two twos sure go for it I guess...but rightfully so as long as Rodgers has Adams it truly won't matter who else we line up short of another HOF WR that Rodgers is looking elsewhere that much, again with a lot of justification. I just see a first rounder on a WR not providing the same towards winning in 2022 as a solid EDGE or a DL or even a DB.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

As much as I'd like this I don't personally want them to. At least not with our 28th pick...now if we trade back, have two twos sure go for it I guess...but rightfully so as long as Rodgers has Adams it truly won't matter who else we line up short of another HOF WR that Rodgers is looking elsewhere that much, again with a lot of justification. I just see a first rounder on a WR not providing the same towards winning in 2022 as a solid EDGE or a DL or even a DB.

I tend to agree, although, if they don't go after a starting WR in free agency and lose both Lazard and MVS, they may have to restock in the draft or look for vet deals.

Even with the addition of Cobb last season, I would say our WR room was lacking. It didn't help that Tonyan went down early, but he may not be back in Green Bay and if he is, not until mid season at best. So the Packers have to find some way to improve the receiving weapons that Rodgers has. As we saw with Amari last year, a rookie isn't automatically going to achieve that.

 

[tynimiller]

I tend to agree, although, if they don't go after a starting WR in free agency and lose both Lazard and MVS, they may have to restock in the draft or look for vet deals.

Even with the addition of Cobb last season, I would say our WR room was lacking. It didn't help that Tonyan went down early, but he may not be back in Green Bay and if he is, not until mid season at best. So the Packers have to find some way to improve the receiving weapons that Rodgers has. As we saw with Amari last year, a rookie isn't automatically going to achieve that.

Lazard is a RFA, even placing a 2nd round tender (which I don't think it will take) would be very affordable for a guy that is a solid #3/#4 he will be back for certain IMO.

 

[longtimefan]

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What's your point?

It appears your of claim 1 week ( but was way less) should been enough for him to be ready.

In this "opportunity" I pointed out he tossed a td in maybe the loudest stadium on the road.

Rodgers had way more time to be prepared vs the Niners.

In his "opportunity" he tossed no td at home in the cold


Its stupid rationale but that is how people see your opportunity talk

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Lazard is a RFA, even placing a 2nd round tender (which I don't think it will take) would be very affordable for a guy that is a solid #3/#4 he will be back for certain IMO.

You never know until you have him, but yes, odds are high. I like Lazard, but he just seems to be missing something. Would like to know the Packers opinion on his route running.

I wouldn't pay MVS what I have seen online ($7-8 M/year). Cobb is only worth keeping if he is willing to totally restructure at around $3-4M per and even that might be too much to pay for him.

Unless the Packers expect a big jump from Amari, as well as DeGuara, WR and TE are 2 positions they are going to need to address before Sept.

 

[tynimiller]

Also Amari wasn't going to be used much once Cobb was there

You never know until you have him, but yes, odds are high. I like Lazard, but he just seems to be missing something. Would like to know the Packers opinion on his route running.

I wouldn't pay MVS what I have seen online ($7-8 M/year). Cobb is only worth keeping if he is willing to totally restructure at around $3-4M per and even that might be too much to pay for him.

Unless the Packers expect a big jump from Amari, as well as DeGuara, WR and TE are 2 positions they are going to need to address before Sept.

Judging from Lazard's social media reaction to the London news I'm assuming the team has informed him they will be tendering him and bringing him back.

 

[PikeBadger]

An opportunity is an opportunity.

Everything else is subjective.

Didn't they do just that. Never is a long time.

The Packers don't jettison young players quickly if they are continuing to improve their game at an acceptable rate. This franchise doesn't engage in massive roster churning exercises. It has never operated that way in the past 30 years.