53 man roster for 2022

[Mondio]

I see the keeping another DB like Ento or someone over keeping another ILB like Summers.

 

[PikeBadger]

Weekly Update Projections for me (again no not in a depth chart order)

Offensive (23)
QB (2)-Rodgers, Love
RB (3)-Dillon, Jones, Goodson (Hill*PUP*)
TE (4)-Tonyan, Deguara, Lewis, Cannella
WR (6)-Cobb, Lazard, Rodgers, Watkins, Watson, Doubs
OL (9)-Jenkins, Myers, Runyan, Newman, Ryhan, Tom, Bahktiari, Nijman, Hanson

Defensive (26)
DL (5) - Clark. Reed, Wyat, Lowry, Slaton
OLB (5) - Gary, Smith, Enagbare, Garvin, Tipa
ILB (5) - Campbell, Walker, Barnes, McDuffie, Summers
S (6) - Savage, Amos, Scott, Davis, Abernathy, Carpenter
CB (5) - Alexander, Douglas, Stokes, SJC, Nixon

Special Teams (4)
ST (3)
K-Crosby
P-O'Donnel
LS-Coco

I think they'll keep a 6th D lineman and only 5 safeties with possibly only 4 ILB. It wouldn't surprise me to see a 10th OLineman kept as well.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Weekly Update Projections for me (again no not in a depth chart order)

Offensive (23)
QB (2)-Rodgers, Love
RB (3)-Dillon, Jones, Goodson (Hill*PUP*)
TE (4)-Tonyan, Deguara, Lewis, Cannella
WR (6)-Cobb, Lazard, Rodgers, Watkins, Watson, Doubs
OL (9)-Jenkins, Myers, Runyan, Newman, Ryhan, Tom, Bahktiari, Nijman, Hanson

Defensive (26)
DL (5) - Clark. Reed, Wyat, Lowry, Slaton
OLB (5) - Gary, Smith, Enagbare, Garvin, Tipa
ILB (5) - Campbell, Walker, Barnes, McDuffie, Summers
S (6) - Savage, Amos, Scott, Davis, Abernathy, Carpenter
CB (5) - Alexander, Douglas, Stokes, SJC, Nixon

Special Teams (4)
ST (3)
K-Crosby
P-O'Donnel
LS-Coco

This looks good. I'll have to keep an eye on Goodson. You think Summers makes it again. Who would they keep if they cut him?

 

[Heyjoe4]

I see the keeping another DB like Ento or someone over keeping another ILB like Summers.

Yeah I was thinking Summers time in GB is up. Just an opinion.

 

[tynimiller]

Summers stays if STs keep sucking. He was one of our lead snap guys on ST and does well there

 

[tynimiller]

There are about six to eight guys that are as in and out as summers to me.

The big questions are if they keep 6 or 5 DL, 5 ILB or 4…Number of safeties

 

[thequick12]

Where'd this come from? Is there a development I have missed?

No i just read this thread...I havent been keeping up very well

Also took that picture of the moon with my phone wtf

 

[Mondio]

Right now I think there are 6 DL that are earning spots and should be kept over a 5th ILB that is pretty bad. For all those special teams snaps I don’t remember him doing anything of note. If you’re being kept strictly for special teams and guys at important positions are being cut because of a simple numbers game not because of ability, that guy better stand out. He hasn’t other than to say he’s been better than average in a league “leading “ historical failure of a unit.

 

[Poppa San]

Saw a podcaster bring up Rodgers as the third back in a gadget type roll knowing that Goodson can make the PS. Sort of a swervin Ervin guy. This allows Winfree to make the 53. Also Summers just is not going to cut it and he's not that special at ST. The best of a bad bunch.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

@Heyjoe4

To continue the discussion....the crazy thing is here are the three again:

#1 - One of them has an average yards per target of 8.9 but a yards per reception average of 11.5 - this player has averaged 4.3 yards after catch per reception according to PFF premium stats.
#2 - One of them has an average yards per target of 7.3 but a yards per reception average of 9.9 - this player has averaged 6.0 yards after catch per reception according to PFF premium stats.
#3 - One of them has an average yards per target of 7.6 but a yards per reception average of 10.11 - this player has averaged 6.33 yards after catch per reception according to PFF premium stats.

Those players above are Tonyan #1, Deguara #2 and Lewis #3

Now, this all of course must be factored into the sample size each player has and over more use one would expect perhaps less and less YAC to occur as the chances of breaking plays and such overtime will decrease of coure...you're more likely to have skewed YAC numbers if you barely get targeted but then have a 20+ yac yarder a season you know?

Either way statistically I guess even Lewis has threat...albeit his mainly because he is left untouch on block and shed routes which typically are many of his non redzone targets...and his 5 - 6 yards on such a play start as one yard receptions and even he can make up four or 5 yards before coverage attacks him after not covering him.

Either way I'm shocked at where the stats point honestly....really pictured Tonyan and Deguara being similar (expected in that maybe 4.5-5.5 range) and Lewis to be sub 4.

Pro Football Reference has some different numbers for the tight ends. According to them Deguara had 8.2 yards after catch per reception last year with Lewis (6.3) and Tonyan (6.1) being close to each other. Don't forget that Deguara's 62-yard TD reception vs. the Lions significantly bumped those numbers though.

This cannot be right as he was still playing for Auburn until the 2021 bowl games....and then went undrafted in 2021.

Cannella last played for Auburn in the 2019 bowl game vs. Minnesota.

 

[tynimiller]

Pro Football Reference has some different numbers for the tight ends. According to them Deguara had 8.2 yards after catch per reception last year with Lewis (6.3) and Tonyan (6.1) being close to each other. Don't forget that Deguara's 62-yard TD reception vs. the Lions significantly bumped those numbers though.



Cannella last played for Auburn in the 2019 bowl game vs. Minnesota.

I didn't do just last year but their times in GB. That's why numbers differ.

*I have zero clue what I was looking at yesterday on Cannella - 100% wrong on the year frames with him.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Saw a podcaster bring up Rodgers as the third back in a gadget type roll knowing that Goodson can make the PS. Sort of a swervin Ervin guy. This allows Winfree to make the 53. Also Summers just is not going to cut it and he's not that special at ST. The best of a bad bunch.

I thought Summers had worn out his welcome too, especially after drafting Walker. They could use Rodgers as a part time back. He's built for it. Just don't want him to become another Ty Montgomery, but that's unlikely with Jones and Dillon around. Sounds like Goodson is the consensus third back here. Best if they can stash him on the PS and save a roster spot.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I didn't do just last year but their times in GB. That's why numbers differ.

*I have zero clue what I was looking at yesterday on Cannella - 100% wrong on the year frames with him.

It's still interesting to me that the numbers you provided had Lewis leading in YAC. It's actually hard to compare these guys because the sample size for Lewis is probably small as far as targets/receptions. The times I've seen him catch a ball, it's usually is as a 3rd or 4th read, there aren't many defenders around cause he doesn't exactly strike fear as a receiver, and he ends up rumbling/staggering for another 6 to 10 yards because he's so big and hard to bring down. That's not scientific, just my observation.

Well I hope Tonyan can return to 2020 form, that Cannella can become another option at receiving TE, and that DeGuarra and Lewis do their thing. I don't know quite how to classify DeGuarra. He's supposed to be a TE/HB hybrid but it seems like he runs pretty well.

 

[Krabs]

This cannot be right as he was still playing for Auburn until the 2021 bowl games....and then went undrafted in 2021.

Well, that came from the Packers Wire.

 

[tynimiller]

Well, that came from the Packers Wire.

I admitted later zero clue where I was coming from, was wrong.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I didn't do just last year but their times in GB. That's why numbers differ.

Gotcha, PFR's numbers are pretty similar for Tonyan and Lewis. They still have Deguara listed with 8.27 yards after the catch per receptions (he actually had only a single one before last season).

Sounds like Goodson is the consensus third back here. Best if they can stash him on the PS and save a roster spot.

I fully expect the Packers to keep three running backs on the roster.

It's still interesting to me that the numbers you provided had Lewis leading in YAC. It's actually hard to compare these guys because the sample size for Lewis is probably small as far as targets/receptions.

All three of Tonyan (84), Lewis (51) and Deguara (26) don't have a ton of receptions for the Packers.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Hey Ty I gotta give you credit for being one of the first people here to spot Goodson. I'm amazed he is an UDFA. Gotta hand it to Gluten. He seems to do better with late round picks and UDFAs than he does in round 1 through 3 (although he's made some good picks in round 2). He also does a pretty good job poaching from other teams' PSs.

It's so important in MLF's system to keep three solid RBs on the 53. And this year, with an unknown WR group, the running game will have to be solid to justify the RPO, where there is likely to be more running than passing. Bringing in great talent on rookie deals, like Dillon, allows Gluten to let go of guys asking for too much. Jones was reasonable, but I have a feeling this will happen with Dillon. And I don't like overpaying for RBs. It's like overpaying for pitchers in baseball. These are the positions most subject to injury, or in the case of RBs, short careers. RBs take an enormous pounding on every snap. Guys like Frank Gore are, to me, miracles.

 

[Pkrjones]

Gotta hand it to Gluten. He seems to do better with late round picks and UDFAs than he does in round 1 through 3 (although he's made some good picks in round 2).

C'mon Joe, really? Rounds 1-3...
'18: Alexander (missed on Jackson & Burks)
'19 draft: Gary, Savage, Jenkins (missed on Sternberger in 3rd)
'20: Love, Dillon, Deguara
'21: Stokes, Myers, A. Rodgers
'22: unknown, but should be good/great if anywhere close to potential.
That's at least 7 starters, at least 3 are All-pro caliber (Gary, Jenkins, Alexander), and quite possibly 10 core players for next 3-5 years. Gute has done great in rounds 1-3 restocking young high-end talent, IMHO.

 

[Schultz]

I agree, but I come a little short of great. I go with very good, especially when you consider most of those picks are late in the round.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Bringing in great talent on rookie deals, like Dillon, allows Gluten to let go of guys asking for too much. Jones was reasonable, but I have a feeling this will happen with Dillon. And I don't like overpaying for RBs.

I didn't like the Packers signing Jones to his current deal, especially after using a second rounder on his replacement in Dillon. Don't get me wrong, the team most likely has the best running back tandem in the league but they could have used that cap space on a position more difficult to add talent via the draft.

 

[gopkrs]

I didn't like the Packers signing Jones to his current deal, especially after using a second rounder on his replacement in Dillon. Don't get me wrong, the team most likely has the best running back tandem in the league but they could have used that cap space on a position more difficult to add talent via the draft.

I think Jones has already showed his worth and will continue to do so this year. I don't think they could have spent that money better.

 

[tynimiller]

At four years $48 Million or 12M/Yr...however weighted of course in a fashion differently....I could think of a slew of ways perhaps builds a better roster (DESPITE I LOVE AARON JONES):

Keep on Jamaal Williams - who singed a three year $6M deal with the lions

and also

sign a Logan Thomas type TE who signed a 3 year $24M contract same year after posting 1,000 yards in 2020...he got injured and only played 6 games in 2021 but still put up 295 yards and 3 TDS in that limited stretch.

OR instead of TE could have signed a guy like: Nelson Agholor who in 2021 put up 700 yards receiving on only 64 targets (37 receptions) and 3 TDs to fill out our WR room even more with Adams still here for 2021.

If I were GM the only reason I keep Aaron Jones is to appease my QB or let my like of a player supercede chance at building a better roster.

All in the rearview at this point so doesn't matter.

 

[OldSchool101]

At four years $48 Million or 12M/Yr...however weighted of course in a fashion differently....I could think of a slew of ways perhaps builds a better roster (DESPITE I LOVE AARON JONES):

Keep on Jamaal Williams - who singed a three year $6M deal with the lions

and also

sign a Logan Thomas type TE who signed a 3 year $24M contract same year after posting 1,000 yards in 2020...he got injured and only played 6 games in 2021 but still put up 295 yards and 3 TDS in that limited stretch.

OR instead of TE could have signed a guy like: Nelson Agholor who in 2021 put up 700 yards receiving on only 64 targets (37 receptions) and 3 TDs to fill out our WR room even more with Adams still here for 2021.

If I were GM the only reason I keep Aaron Jones is to appease my QB or let my like of a player supercede chance at building a better roster.

All in the rearview at this point so doesn't matter.

At the time I was glad we kept
A Jones. He’s a dual threat RB and until recently he was neck and neck with D Cook. I do however think we need to lean on him more in the short passing attack this season.
It’s a luxury having 2 RBs that are both efficient dual threats. We need to lean on that room some more, especially earlier this season, until we get our Receivers in rhythm.

 

[Mondio]

I was and still am perfectly fine with the A. Jones contract. It paid him money he's earned and gave the team an out after a couple years or restructure if he's still performing. I don't think it overpaid him at all and once dillon went down in the Playoffs Jones was half our offense it seemed. He earns his paycheck and i'm just fine paying guys that work there way to that point and keep delivering. He does IMO> Money well spent.

 

[tynimiller]

I was and still am perfectly fine with the A. Jones contract. It paid him money he's earned and gave the team an out after a couple years or restructure if he's still performing. I don't think it overpaid him at all and once dillon went down in the Playoffs Jones was half our offense it seemed. He earns his paycheck and i'm just fine paying guys that work there way to that point and keep delivering. He does IMO> Money well spent.

I don't think I've heard anyone claim he was overpaid? I know many have said they just wouldn't pay a RB a ton in this day and age, but that isn't saying he wasn't worth in this NFL contract landscape he was overpaid - full disclosure I may have missed someone saying it.