29th pick.. Eric stokes db

[Mondio]

why do people think Gute would not have traded back if he could have? my gosh, the guy has only had like 3 drafts and in his first one, traded out of around, then back up to grab Jaire and picked up another 1st rounder for the next year.

If someone knows how to and is willing to move around a draft board, Gute has shown he's it. Why do people think he's not?

 

[Dantés]

Not a fan of the pick as a first rounder. Consensus is he likely would have been available for the Pack’s second pick. First pick should have been one of the many better players available who also filled a need. Even better would have been to trade back. Still could have gotten Stokes and more picks.

Pack wasted their first round again. Gute just isn’t very good.

Lol. That's not even close to true.

 

[Dantés]

why do people think Gute would not have traded back if he could have? my gosh, the guy has only had like 3 drafts and in his first one, traded out of around, then back up to grab Jaire and picked up another 1st rounder for the next year.

If someone knows how to and is willing to move around a draft board, Gute has shown he's it. Why do people think he's not?

People choose to think whatever will allow them to feel the way they want to feel.

 

[rdawsoniii]

Lol. That's not even close to true.

It most certainly is. While there were a few who thought he was a first rounder, the majority projected him a 2/3. Take off the green and gold glasses.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

why do people think Gute would not have traded back if he could have? my gosh, the guy has only had like 3 drafts and in his first one, traded out of around, then back up to grab Jaire and picked up another 1st rounder for the next year.

If someone knows how to and is willing to move around a draft board, Gute has shown he's it. Why do people think he's not?

Cause Gute literally said they had trade partners but didn't want to miss out on Stokes?

 

[Schultz]

29 may have been a little early but he was never lasting until 62. His teammate (who he is better than) just got picked at 33.

 

[Dantés]

It most certainly is. While there were a few who thought he was a first rounder, the majority projected him a 2/3. Take off the green and gold glasses.

No— again, the assertion that “consensus” had Stokes as a 2nd/3rd round bubble guy is ********.

I’ve followed the process very closely. I know where he was rated by most analysts. The consensus was much closer to a 1st/2nd round player. Guess where the Packers picked?

I’m also not throwing a parade over the selection. I understand it. It was not my first choice. I have explained how it could work and how it could fail.

So please get a clue before you start saying stupid crap and accusing people of being homers for disagreeing with you.

 

[Mondio]

Cause Gute literally said they had trade partners but didn't want to miss out on Stokes?

exactly, so they thought he was not going to be available by trading back. again, if Gute thought he could have moved and gotten their guy, he would have, as he's done before, multiple times, in multiple drafts.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Had to wait for the 2nd Round to get started before commenting.

So Stokes wasn't even on my board for 3 reasons:

1. Grabby
2. Didn't necessarily test well in the short area quickness.
3. Possible run game liability

I thought this made Stokes a liability in the slot and made him an outside only CB. I think he's gonna get a ton of P.I. calls. If teams aim to spread us out, they'll run right at him.

I too, thought he could go early in the 2nd, HOWEVER, his teammate Tyson Campbell went 33rd Overall, who WAS on my board, so I think that sorta vindicates Gute to an extent. I still would have preferred Samuel by just trading back, and hopefully getting a 3rd(now 2nd) crack in the 4th Round, but speed is speed so I respect the pick. He should immediately compete to play outside and move Jaire to the Nickel/Star position.

 

[Dantés]

It’s funny— I read some analysts who say he’s a run game liability and others who say his aggression and tackling coming downhill are a couple of his best qualities. Time will tell.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

The consensus does seem mixed.

As a former DB myself, there's a difference in tackling when it comes to WHO you're tackling. Taking down a WR is different than an RB, especially one who runs angry, so I agree we'll see how it plays out. I hope he'll at least drop a shoulder.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

It’s funny— I read some analysts who say he’s a run game liability and others who say his aggression and tackling coming downhill are a couple of his best qualities. Time will tell.

Like I've stated before, I'm a hardcore Bulldog fan... I've watched every game. I did not see him shy away from contact or become a liability in the run game once. I don't know where they're getting this tackling narrative from. I had Samuel ranked higher, but the sky is the limit for this kid if he can start relying on his feet.

 

[rdawsoniii]

No— again, the assertion that “consensus” had Stokes as a 2nd/3rd round bubble guy is ********.

I’ve followed the process very closely. I know where he was rated by most analysts. The consensus was much closer to a 1st/2nd round player. Guess where the Packers picked?

I’m also not throwing a parade over the selection. I understand it. It was not my first choice. I have explained how it could work and how it could fail.

So please get a clue before you start saying stupid crap and accusing people of being homers for disagreeing with you.

Maybe wouldn’t have been there for the Pack at 62, but he was definitely a reach in the first round. Gute could have (and should have) traded down. Could probably have snagged Stokes in the early second, and obtained an additional draft pick besides.

If the Packers want to get over the hump and get to the Super Bowl, they need to use their first round pick on someone who is going to be an immediate contributor, not a project.

 

[PackersonEastCoast]

I don't get all the hate. I really love this pick.

I think it's OBVIOUS that they want height opposite J'Aire, so we don't have 2 5'10 guys at CB.

I don't get the Ahmad Carroll comparisons either besides the track star background.

This guy is 3 inches TALLER, has better ball skills (based off production) and I'd heard even Buffalo was interested in him oupposite Tre'Davius White.

I mean, arguably, J'Aire, Jalen and Tre'Davius are the Top 3... no shot at Xavien but he really mostly got 1st team All Pro due to his 10 interceptions.

So if we can have potentially the the best CB duo in the NFL one day, that would be great

 

[Dantés]

Lost in this is the presence of Jerry Gray. He developed both Xavier Rhodes and Trae Waynes in Minnesota, who had similar profiles to Stokes.

Stokes might be a little stiff, but he ain’t stiff like Waynes.

 

[tynimiller]

Not a fan of the pick as a first rounder. Consensus is he likely would have been available for the Pack’s second pick. First pick should have been one of the many better players available who also filled a need. Even better would have been to trade back. Still could have gotten Stokes and more picks.

Pack wasted their first round again. Gute just isn’t very good.

concensus by idiots. He was at worst on most knowledgeable pundits the CB8 or better. Dude was not dropping to 62

 

[tynimiller]

Like I've stated before, I'm a hardcore Bulldog fan... I've watched every game. I did not see him shy away from contact or become a liability in the run game once. I don't know where they're getting this tackling narrative from. I had Samuel ranked higher, but the sky is the limit for this kid if he can start relying on his feet.

I never saw Stokes miss a tackle because of being timid or lack of aggression. Is he a big thumper or pristine tackle technician? No, but unlike King he actually will use his shoulders and arms to hit the ball carriers torso and not just leg dive

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

I never saw Stokes miss a tackle because of being timid or lack of aggression. Is he a big thumper or pristine tackle technician? No, but unlike King he actually will use his shoulders and arms to hit the ball carriers torso and not just leg dive

Exactly, for doubters, watch his Florida tape. There's some clips of his tackling in the video I'll post below. During the Florida tape around the 2 minute mark, you can clearly see he knows how to wrap up. I've also never seen him intentionally shy away from tackles.

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[Dantés]

The split in the analysis could be that he's a good tackler, but that he doesn't handle blockers well in the running game. Idk.

We will see in due time.

 

[GleefulGary]

It most certainly is. While there were a few who thought he was a first rounder, the majority projected him a 2/3. Take off the green and gold glasses.

Did you not see all the CB’s go off the board right away in the 2nd round?

Stokes was in the same tier as those guys. And nobody definitively knows where players might go in the draft, acting like Joe Blow who has a draft blog knows all the things is ignorant at best.

 

[GleefulGary]

Had to wait for the 2nd Round to get started before commenting.

So Stokes wasn't even on my board for 3 reasons:

1. Grabby
2. Didn't necessarily test well in the short area quickness.
3. Possible run game liability

I thought this made Stokes a liability in the slot and made him an outside only CB. I think he's gonna get a ton of P.I. calls. If teams aim to spread us out, they'll run right at him.

I too, thought he could go early in the 2nd, HOWEVER, his teammate Tyson Campbell went 33rd Overall, who WAS on my board, so I think that sorta vindicates Gute to an extent. I still would have preferred Samuel by just trading back, and hopefully getting a 3rd(now 2nd) crack in the 4th Round, but speed is speed so I respect the pick. He should immediately compete to play outside and move Jaire to the Nickel/Star position.

Stokes tested better than Campbell in the shuttles.

 

[Team Ronny]

Can't be anymore grabby than Tampas dbs!! They get away with it..our guys should too!!

 

[AmishMafia]

Maybe wouldn’t have been there for the Pack at 62, but he was definitely a reach in the first round. Gute could have (and should have) traded down. Could probably have snagged Stokes in the early second, and obtained an additional draft pick besides.

If the Packers want to get over the hump and get to the Super Bowl, they need to use their first round pick on someone who is going to be an immediate contributor, not a project.

One pundit when talking about the Stokes after we picked him said that he had Campbell ranked slightly higher, but most of his colleagues had Stokes ahead of Campbell. Given that Campbell went shortly after, I think Stokes was going to be selected soon.

I know most GMs say this, but I believe Gute that they were sweating it that Stokes would not be there for them. So I suspect they had him ranked higher than where they picked him.

 

[tynimiller]

One pundit when talking about the Stokes after we picked him said that he had Campbell ranked slightly higher, but most of his colleagues had Stokes ahead of Campbell. Given that Campbell went shortly after, I think Stokes was going to be selected soon.

I know most GMs say this, but I believe Gute that they were sweating it that Stokes would not be there for them. So I suspect they had him ranked higher than where they picked him.

I concur the feeling Gute appeared to hint at led me to feel they had Stokes higher as well. Amari they had incredibly higher than where they picked him too.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

exactly, so they thought he was not going to be available by trading back. again, if Gute thought he could have moved and gotten their guy, he would have, as he's done before, multiple times, in multiple drafts.

Uhhh, so would anyone, that's not some amazing skill. If any GM thought they could trade back and get their guy, they would (aside from Gettleman).