Rodgers 2024

[MJS]

I don't have that much hate towards Jets fans to put them through that.

Now if Aaron would like to go to the Vikings.....

Ok fair enough.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Woody and the Jets, not to be confused with Benny and the Jets, hooked themselves up to a real winner there. If they part ways with Rodgers after this season, they still have his $49M dead cap to contend with.

 

[OldSchool101]

Woody and the Jets, not to be confused with Benny and the Jets, hooked themselves up to a real winner there. If they part ways with Rodgers after this season, they still have his $49M dead cap to contend with.

So far, it appears more and more like The Packers will win their bet. The Jets did hit on Will McDonald IV over Van Ness. Aside from that they lost a full season with Rodgers and appear to be on a path to have lost another season.

Jets get:
Will McDonald IV
Aaron Rodgers
CB, Jerrick Bernard Converse (6th)
TE, Zack Kuntz (7th)

Packers get:
Lukas Van Ness
TE, Luke Musgrave (also lost 1yr)
Added Draft Collateral applied to attain
S, Evan Williams
LB, Edgerrin Cooper
OC/OG, Jacob Monk

*Packers ate $40.3m in 2023 to cleanse themselves from Rodgers.
*Packers spent a 4th Rounder packaged to draft Evan Williams.

Considering the long term financial implications of GB repeatedly pushing out Rodgers $59M salary, the Packers “got off the hook” by washing that balloon contract with an 1-time $40.3mil settlement. and picking up some added draft juice listed above.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So far, it appears more and more like The Packers will win their bet. The Jets did hit on Will McDonald IV. Aside from that they lost a full season with Rodgers and appear to be on a path to have lost another season.

Jets get:
Will McDonald IV
Aaron Rodgers
CB, Jerrick Bernard Converse (6th)
TE, Zack Kuntz (7th)

Packers get:
Lukas Van Ness
TE, Luke Musgrave
Draft Collateral applied to attain
S, Evan Williams
LB, Edgerrin Cooper
OC/OG, Jacob Monk

Packers ate $40.3m in 2023 to cleanse themselves from Rodgers.
Packers spent a 4th Rounder packaged to draft Evan Williams.

Considering the long term financial implications of pushing out Rodgers $59M salary, the Packers “got off the hook” by washing that contract and picking up some added draft juice listed above.

All of this is good, but I think you are missing out on 2 other very key things that the Packers also got out of the trade.

1. Gave Jordon Love the opportunity to move forward as the starter.

2. Purged GB of the "Aaron Rodgers Effect" and I think gave the offense and the team their own new identity. No longer are the Packers defined by Rodgers and what he does, but more importantly, what he says.

Sidenote: The Packers could have gotten Will McDonald IV out of the deal, but they chose LVN instead.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

LOL on Russell Wilson's comments after the game yesterday. Whether it was intended to be a direct jab to Rodgers or not, it's pretty true. Rodgers passive-aggressive B.S. just gets old. Steelers made some smart pickups/trades with Mike Williams and Preston Smith.

Russell Wilson shows Aaron Rodgers how it's done with Mike Williams comments

Steelers quarterback Russell Wilson sang Mike Williams' praises after the wide receiver reeled in a game-winning touchdown - less than one month after he was scolded by Aaron Rodgers

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[Firethorn1001]

2. Purged GB of the "Aaron Rodgers Effect" and I think gave the offense and the team their own new identity. No longer are the Packers defined by Rodgers and what he does, but more importantly, what he says.

And what he wants. I believe there is no way in the world that Kraft/Musgrave/Wicks/Reed are all drafted if Rodgers is around. If Lucky 1 of Musgrave/Kraft and 1 of Wicks/Reed given who he would have demanded back from TE/WRs.

 

[OldSchool101]

All of this is good, but I think you are missing out on 2 other very key things that the Packers also got out of the trade.

1. Gave Jordon Love the opportunity to move forward as the starter.

2. Purged GB of the "Aaron Rodgers Effect" and I think gave the offense and the team their own new identity. No longer are the Packers defined by Rodgers and what he does, but more importantly, what he says.

Sidenote: The Packers could have gotten Will McDonald IV out of the deal, but they chose LVN instead.

Oh I agree it’s not an all inclusive list.
I’m trying to stay as close as I can to direct or more quantifiable aspects of the trade. Those guys above were chosen with a direct impact of draft capital from that trade.
Just losing the Rodgers attitude was worth most of my list combined. Many of us were so ready for this. It’s pretty apparent Rodgers is not anywhere close to peak performance. He has 3 of 10 games above a 100% Passer rating in 2024 and is tracking for his worst Passer rating of his career.

That said. Overall his performance is not terrible either. Aaron at 86% is still performing slightly above an average NFL QB. Love is having a poor year by his standards, but he’s still a sliver ahead of Rodgers Passer rating and efficiency. All that while limping around many games.

 

[Heyjoe4]

All of this is good, but I think you are missing out on 2 other very key things that the Packers also got out of the trade.

1. Gave Jordon Love the opportunity to move forward as the starter.

2. Purged GB of the "Aaron Rodgers Effect" and I think gave the offense and the team their own new identity. No longer are the Packers defined by Rodgers and what he does, but more importantly, what he says.

Sidenote: The Packers could have gotten Will McDonald IV out of the deal, but they chose LVN instead.

Yeah the trades of Rodgers and Adams worked out well for the Packers. For the Raiders and Jets? Not so much.

And getting rid of the "Aaron Rodgers Effect" was a big deal. This is MLF's team now (and thanks to Gluten for his drafting and FA acquisitions). Rodgers became toxic at some point, maybe when Love was drafted. And he has remained toxic ever since.

There is a putrid cloud of arrogance and invincibility that surrounds him, his actions, and his words. Maybe Love will become a HOF QB, maybe not. I'm feeling good with the Packers at 6-3 with a lot to improve upon. Better days have returned to GB.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

First Russell, now Mike Williams gets in on the action. I know there are still some Rodgers fans out there that think he never does anything wrong and players love him.

Maybe it's just that he is no longer really all that relevant in the NFL or players aren't afraid of speaking the truth, but the cracks in just what kind of teammate A-Rod can be are opening up.

Mike Williams takes jab at Aaron Rodgers after heroic Steelers debut | Sporting News

Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Mike Williams took to Instagram on Monday with a celebratory post following his game-winning touchdown catch against the Washington Commanders in Week 10. In the post, he appeared to take a jab at New York Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

www.sportingnews.com

 

[gopkrs]

I was glad to move on but I sure don't blame the Jet's woes on him. He is throwing the ball very well from what I have seen. But he doesn't have much time. I don't think that O line is very good. And the D line is nothing like it was for the past two years. Nothing changes peoples' minds about things like winning. Easy to just go with what is happening w/o looking at the reasons why. Or understand that your opinion seems to change with the weather. Not talking at all about you Pokerbrat. Just people in general.

 

[OldSchool101]

Or understand that your opinion seems to change with the weather.

oh yeah. We see evidence of this almost daily with the sports media. They sway like a Reed in the Wind, bending with the obvious Weekly winners or losers like their shadow. Anybody can do that imo.

Very few are those that can choose a team that’s suffering and claim it’s only temporary and they are just as much a contender as the others.

Even fewer are those that can choose a team that’s riding on a high wave and still have the intestinal fortitude to project they are in over their heads or heading for serious decline.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I was glad to move on but I sure don't blame the Jet's woes on him. He is throwing the ball very well from what I have seen. But he doesn't have much time. I don't think that O line is very good. And the D line is nothing like it was for the past two years. Nothing changes peoples' minds about things like winning. Easy to just go with what is happening w/o looking at the reasons why. Or understand that your opinion seems to change with the weather. Not talking at all about you Pokerbrat. Just people in general.

The times I've seen him play he's looked good. The one thing he can't do anymore though is escape a pass rush, well not as effortlessly as he hid in the past. And some of his best plays were made when he moved out of the pocket.

And you're right, the Jets' woes go beyond Rodgers. The owner seems like a complete idiot. And they did play well in prior years and have collectively lost a step or two.

Poker was, I think, referring to Rodgers' attitude, and I agree that his level of arrogance and self-importance has skyrocketed since the drafting of Love. This has nothing to do with the Jets winning or losing. I just don't miss that attitude.

For 10 plus some years he played HOF football, won an SB, 4 MVPs and the fans loved him. Can't forget that either.

 

[Magooch]

First Russell, now Mike Williams gets in on the action. I know there are still some Rodgers fans out there that think he never does anything wrong and players love him.

Maybe it's just that he is no longer really all that relevant in the NFL or players aren't afraid of speaking the truth, but the cracks in just what kind of teammate A-Rod can be are opening up.

Mike Williams takes jab at Aaron Rodgers after heroic Steelers debut | Sporting News

Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Mike Williams took to Instagram on Monday with a celebratory post following his game-winning touchdown catch against the Washington Commanders in Week 10. In the post, he appeared to take a jab at New York Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

www.sportingnews.com

I think it is probably twofold:

First is that he has simply declined as a player. He’s not as good as he once was and that gives you less of a “leash”. Fans and teams (players, coaches, ownership, etc) are willing to put up with a LOT so long as you are producing results.

And second is that IMO all of Rodgers’ negative traits were GREATLY amplified post-Love’s arrival. I don’t know if it was/is insecurity, feeling slighted/insulted, if it “triggered” something with the Rodgers-Favre transition (becoming what you hate and all that, lol) but the old “chip on the shoulder” stuff that we literally heard about since the very day Rodgers himself was drafted really got dialed up from here on. Probably projecting to some degree, but it seems like everything since then has been largely motivated by wanting to prove wrong the Packers organization, fans, other players, and maybe even himself.

All that said though I suspect that you would still find more players/coaches who would have nothing but positive things to say about Rodgers the player/teammate/person in general. And to be fair those probably do come from sometime prior to the last 3-4 years but still. Part of me thinks it’s some negativity bias, like we see with the old “negative online review” phenomenon. People are more likely to comment on a negative experience and weigh those more heavily than a positive one; people who buy a product and have it meet their expectations are less likely to take the time to review it (good or bad) and so on…

 

[OldSchool101]

I think it is probably twofold:

First is that he has simply declined as a player. He’s not as good as he once was and that gives you less of a “leash”. Fans and teams (players, coaches, ownership, etc) are willing to put up with a LOT so long as you are producing results.

And second is that IMO all of Rodgers’ negative traits were GREATLY amplified post-Love’s arrival. I don’t know if it was/is insecurity, feeling slighted/insulted, if it “triggered” something with the Rodgers-Favre transition (becoming what you hate and all that, lol) but the old “chip on the shoulder” stuff that we literally heard about since the very day Rodgers himself was drafted really got dialed up from here on. Probably projecting to some degree, but it seems like everything since then has been largely motivated by wanting to prove wrong the Packers organization, fans, other players, and maybe even himself.

All that said though I suspect that you would still find more players/coaches who would have nothing but positive things to say about Rodgers the player/teammate/person in general. And to be fair those probably do come from sometime prior to the last 3-4 years but still. Part of me thinks it’s some negativity bias, like we see with the old “negative online review” phenomenon. People are more likely to comment on a negative experience and weigh those more heavily than a positive one; people who buy a product and have it meet their expectations are less likely to take the time to review it (good or bad) and so on…

Just an abstract thought. When Rodgers first got on board he had a very good WR grouping. Donald Driver was similar Doubs and possibly better. Eventually in comes Cobb and he was close to Reed. But who do we have that is on the level of Greg Jennings? How about Jordy? James Jones?

I don’t think our current Wide Receivers as a group are as good until later when we toying with Shepherd and Abbredaris and Janis and that type lower echelon. We’ve got lots of young talent now, but really only Reed has popped to be truthful. Might put Kraft in there as a mini pop. but Rodgers can’t complain until later when his WR group diminished. Early on his weapons were pretty good. Then as that group retires/fades in comes Davante Adams. Also Rodgers had a very good veteran OL almost immediately to back that up. Bak, Linsley, Bulaga. Those guys were pretty stout

 

[Heyjoe4]

Just an abstract thought. When Rodgers first got on board he had a very good WR grouping. Donald Driver was similar Doubs and possibly better. Eventually in comes Cobb and he was close to Reed. But who do we have that is on the level of Greg Jennings? How about Jordy? James Jones?

I don’t think our current Wide Receivers as a group are as good until later when we toying with Shepherd and Abbredaris and Janis and that type lower echelon. We’ve got lots of young talent now, but really only Reed has popped to be truthful. Might put Kraft in there as a mini pop. but Rodgers can’t complain until later when his WR group diminished. Early on his weapons were pretty good. Then as that group retires/fades in comes Davante Adams. Also Rodgers had a very good veteran OL almost immediately to back that up. Bak, Linsley, Bulaga. Those guys were pretty stout

Going a little off topic here.

Those are all good points OS. As good as the WRs are as a group (and arguably Reed is the best), they don't have a clear #1 like Adams, Nelson, Jennings. They need a guy that is like AJ Brown for the Eagles. By that I mean Hurts throws a long ball that lands in a "bucket" about 5 yards in vertical length with the knowledge that "my guy can beat your guy". Sometimes the ball lands in the receiver's hands in stride and that is more coincidence than intent. The point is that if the ball is in that "bucket", the receiver will make the catch somehow.

Love has the arm and is developing the accuracy to make such a pass. Watson was supposed to be the Packers AJ Brown. Maybe Reed is a better candidate. Just my opinion, but Reed is better than Cobb and doesn't need to play solely from the slot.

The Lions have St. Brown, the Vikings have Jefferson, the Bears have Moore. The Packers need a real #1 WR to take the top off a defense. Admittedly, those guys are rare and expensive.

 

[Heyjoe4]

First Russell, now Mike Williams gets in on the action. I know there are still some Rodgers fans out there that think he never does anything wrong and players love him.

Maybe it's just that he is no longer really all that relevant in the NFL or players aren't afraid of speaking the truth, but the cracks in just what kind of teammate A-Rod can be are opening up.

Mike Williams takes jab at Aaron Rodgers after heroic Steelers debut | Sporting News

Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Mike Williams took to Instagram on Monday with a celebratory post following his game-winning touchdown catch against the Washington Commanders in Week 10. In the post, he appeared to take a jab at New York Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

www.sportingnews.com

Good article. I watched that game Sunday and it was a thriller.

And we're on the topic of Rodgers, and he did publicly call out Williams while he was with the Jets. I'm sure Williams probably ran the wrong route so technically Rodgers was right. I just don't think players should call out other players in public, when they make a mistake.

It certainly happened to me in my career. Either I or a coworker ****s something up and it affects a client. It's never appropriate to dress someone down in front of the client. I spent most of my career in sales and usually was the one to fall on the sword, not make excuses because someone made a mistake (and I made mistakes too). I'd cover for a coworker and excepted the same in return.

Away from the client, we'd discuss the mistake and try to make sure it didn't repeat. Rodgers is too self-important to make a mistake or admit to one. I seem to recall a playoff loss to the Niners (pick one.....) where Rodgers had eyes only for Adams while Dillon, I think, was uncovered going out of the backfield. Must have been a 4th down attempt. I may have the wrong situation - point is Rodgers would ever admit a mistake he made.

 

[milani]

Going a little off topic here.

Those are all good points OS. As good as the WRs are as a group (and arguably Reed is the best), they don't have a clear #1 like Adams, Nelson, Jennings. They need a guy that is like AJ Brown for the Eagles. By that I mean Hurts throws a long ball that lands in a "bucket" about 5 yards in vertical length with the knowledge that "my guy can beat your guy". Sometimes the ball lands in the receiver's hands in stride and that is more coincidence than intent. The point is that if the ball is in that "bucket", the receiver will make the catch somehow.

Love has the arm and is developing the accuracy to make such a pass. Watson was supposed to be the Packers AJ Brown. Maybe Reed is a better candidate. Just my opinion, but Reed is better than Cobb and doesn't need to play solely from the slot.

The Lions have St. Brown, the Vikings have Jefferson, the Bears have Moore. The Packers need a real #1 WR to take the top off a defense. Admittedly, those guys are rare and expensive.

In other words someone who can stretch the field and must be accounted for when on the field. James Lofton was like that. Sterling Sharpe became an every down threat. Antonio Freeman was like that for a few years. The Falcons had Julio Jones and appeared to be ready for league dominance. That type of threat forces defenses to overload.

 

[Heyjoe4]

In other words someone who can stretch the field and must be accounted for when on the field. James Lofton was like that. Sterling Sharpe became an every down threat. Antonio Freeman was like that for a few years. The Falcons had Julio Jones and appeared to be ready for league dominance. That type of threat forces defenses to overload.

Thanks milani - that's a much better definition - "...someone who can stretch the field and must be accounted for when on the field." That's way better than the ambiguous #1 WR, although ideally all WRs considered #1 can do just that. And I agree with your examples.

Applying that to the current group of WRs, they all are very good but except for possibly Reed, the description doesn't apply to any other receiver, yet. There's plenty of room for disagreement here. Watson, with his speed, has to be accounted for, but he doesn't stretch drives (the field) consistently. And I'd say both parts of your description need to apply.

Now the WR group as a whole certainly poses problems for a D. A lineup including Watson, Reed, Doubs, and Kraft poses some real problems for the secondary and LBs. But enough to double team any of them? Probably not. And that's a positive for the offense. It's an interesting situation to have so many very capable receivers on the field at the same time.

 

[Voyageur]

What I like most about having someone on the field at WR, who can stretch the field, is that it pretty much ties up one of the safeties, and essentially a CB too. It creates room underneath, for guys who can hang onto the ball, and run crisp routes. That's guys like Doubs, who may not be a speed merchant but he sure knows where to be on 3rd down, to get that catch that moves the chains. Having that mix on the field on all downs makes your team less predictable, and also forces the linebackers to honor the short passing game, instead of giving 100% concentration on filling behind the DL.

I think the main reason that Doubs and Tucker Kraft are as productive as they are is their ability to read the defenses, and find that spot where a window is coming open, for Jordan Love to throw the ball. Although this might not make sense to some people, the fact that these two particularly find those spots on the shorter field, provides better opportunities for both the running game, and the field stretching passes. Defenses can't concentrate on one area of defense, they have to have a broader scope, therefore less focus on one part of their job.

But, all that said, the offense being used is rather interesting, because when Love went down, and Malik Willis came in to start a couple of games, they may have changed their focus more towards the run, but because of the complementary ability of the players, they never skipped a beat when it came to scoring. The biggest problem they have is that they tend to shoot themselves in the foot, with dropped passes, tipped passes turning into INTs, and penalties that shouldn't happen, especially those pre-snap.

 

[Heyjoe4]

What I like most about having someone on the field at WR, who can stretch the field, is that it pretty much ties up one of the safeties, and essentially a CB too. It creates room underneath, for guys who can hang onto the ball, and run crisp routes. That's guys like Doubs, who may not be a speed merchant but he sure knows where to be on 3rd down, to get that catch that moves the chains. Having that mix on the field on all downs makes your team less predictable, and also forces the linebackers to honor the short passing game, instead of giving 100% concentration on filling behind the DL.

I think the main reason that Doubs and Tucker Kraft are as productive as they are is their ability to read the defenses, and find that spot where a window is coming open, for Jordan Love to throw the ball. Although this might not make sense to some people, the fact that these two particularly find those spots on the shorter field, provides better opportunities for both the running game, and the field stretching passes. Defenses can't concentrate on one area of defense, they have to have a broader scope, therefore less focus on one part of their job.

But, all that said, the offense being used is rather interesting, because when Love went down, and Malik Willis came in to start a couple of games, they may have changed their focus more towards the run, but because of the complementary ability of the players, they never skipped a beat when it came to scoring. The biggest problem they have is that they tend to shoot themselves in the foot, with dropped passes, tipped passes turning into INTs, and penalties that shouldn't happen, especially those pre-snap.

Good points V. I think most people assume that only the QB reads the defense prior to the snap, but so do other players, especially very smart WRs. There are some receivers who just seem to know how to get open, whether that's in the flat, or on a deeper crossing route when a high safety chooses the wrong side leaving a WR in single coverage, at best. And eventually there is chemistry between those receivers and the QB.

It also helps that Doubs and Walker have the best hands on the field. The team has enough talent on offense that a solid but unspectacular QB, one who doesn't make mistakes - like Malik - can score points in Love's absence. On another team with less talent, Willis probably can't carry the day. On this team, he's the perfect backup.

 

[Voyageur]

Good points V. I think most people assume that only the QB reads the defense prior to the snap, but so do other players, especially very smart WRs. There are some receivers who just seem to know how to get open, whether that's in the flat, or on a deeper crossing route when a high safety chooses the wrong side leaving a WR in single coverage, at best. And eventually there is chemistry between those receivers and the QB.

It also helps that Doubs and Walker have the best hands on the field. The team has enough talent on offense that a solid but unspectacular QB, one who doesn't make mistakes - like Malik - can score points in Love's absence. On another team with less talent, Willis probably can't carry the day. On this team, he's the perfect backup.

When the offense goes to the LOS, there are two reads. The center (usually) reads the defensive front and calls out the blocking assignments, based on the play called. In the Packers case, they like to use motion, to let the QB read the defense as to which type of coverage they will be in. It could be zone, or man coverage. They watch the linebackers, and secondary, to see how they shift with the motion. The receivers watch all of what the QB is seeing, and they determine what the QB has called for them as to what their routes should be, based on how the defenders in front of them, play them. As an example, Doubs is exceptionally good at reading inside/outside coverage, based on how defenders line up against him, and he usually assumes rightfully that Jordan sees the same thing, and knows exactly where Romeo is heading before the snap. He can also see which defenders might be twitching towards coverage in that area as well. There is so much inside of each play, before the ball is snapped that for someone who hasn't played the game, or been inside it, it's difficult to understand just how complicated it can be.

Many years ago, someone told me that kids would never understand the nuances of each signal. So, so they learned, I spent the first couple of weeks of practice just moving kids around, playing every position, day after day, and charged them with learning the play from the position they'd be playing in, the following day. It was amazing how many actually picked up on it, and understood the nuances that were out there. They won games, not because we had a better team talent-wise, but because they understood what was happening out there on both offense and defense, and took advantage of weaknesses on the opposite side of the ball.

I understand why most people don't understand all of it, and have no need to understand it. But when it comes to judging the success or failure of a play, it's all part of the equation.

 

[Heyjoe4]

When the offense goes to the LOS, there are two reads. The center (usually) reads the defensive front and calls out the blocking assignments, based on the play called. In the Packers case, they like to use motion, to let the QB read the defense as to which type of coverage they will be in. It could be zone, or man coverage. They watch the linebackers, and secondary, to see how they shift with the motion. The receivers watch all of what the QB is seeing, and they determine what the QB has called for them as to what their routes should be, based on how the defenders in front of them, play them. As an example, Doubs is exceptionally good at reading inside/outside coverage, based on how defenders line up against him, and he usually assumes rightfully that Jordan sees the same thing, and knows exactly where Romeo is heading before the snap. He can also see which defenders might be twitching towards coverage in that area as well. There is so much inside of each play, before the ball is snapped that for someone who hasn't played the game, or been inside it, it's difficult to understand just how complicated it can be.

Many years ago, someone told me that kids would never understand the nuances of each signal. So, so they learned, I spent the first couple of weeks of practice just moving kids around, playing every position, day after day, and charged them with learning the play from the position they'd be playing in, the following day. It was amazing how many actually picked up on it, and understood the nuances that were out there. They won games, not because we had a better team talent-wise, but because they understood what was happening out there on both offense and defense, and took advantage of weaknesses on the opposite side of the ball.

I understand why most people don't understand all of it, and have no need to understand it. But when it comes to judging the success or failure of a play, it's all part of the equation.

Interesting stuff. Yeah it makes sense that pre-snap awareness extends well beyond the QB. And as you note, it requires a lot of hard work, and understanding what your teammates will do on a given play. Thanks V.