2023 week 4 TNF vs the Lions pregame thread

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I'm not intentionally being a troll here, but am legitimately asking if there are any studies out there showing that there is a statistically significant increase in injuries related to Thursday night games?

I only found one study that said there are actually less injuries on Thursday night games: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30848976/#:~:text=The relative risk of injury,Sunday and Monday night games.

Here is an article that says 2017 bucked the trend, with more Thursday injuries: https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...es-have-more-injuries-in-2017-they-were-right

This might be the most significant report. They address several issues related to Thursday games, but when it comes to injuries they review mulitple studies and then do their own. I like that they didn't rely on injury reports, but truly which injuries occurred during the games: https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2021/05/thursday-night-football-better-than-you-think/

It appears to me that players have said that there are more injuries, and the media has relayed that message, but there is no evidence to show that it is true. I think that it just sucks to play so soon afterward, because your body still aches.
Even at a young age the body can rarely recover that fast in a sport with that much pounding on the human body. I will say this: The quality of play diminishes even if it is equal for both teams. Rodgers first Hail Mary took place on TNF. I know it is not possible but except for Thanksgiving I wish teams would play on Thursday following their byes.
 
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Even at a young age the body can rarely recover that fast in a sport with that much pounding on the human body. I will say this: The quality of play diminishes even if it is equal for both teams. Rodgers first Hail Mary took place on TNF. I know it is not possible but except for Thanksgiving I wish teams would play on Thursday following their byes.
IIRC bye week rules require teams to give players 7 days away from team activities. Except health / injury rehab. Otherwise I agree with the idea. 10 days off play then 10 days off. I really don't like this Thurs game then Monday following week. League started that a few seasons ago.
ETA I think players banged up on Sunday might have a higher chance of being held out Thurs giving them a better rehab than if they went again the following Sunday. JMO.
 

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IIRC bye week rules require teams to give players 7 days away from team activities. Except health / injury rehab. Otherwise I agree with the idea. 10 days off play then 10 days off. I really don't like this Thurs game then Monday following week. League started that a few seasons ago.
ETA I think players banged up on Sunday might have a higher chance of being held out Thurs giving them a better rehab than if they went again the following Sunday. JMO.
If there is a tiny bit going for us it is the fact that we are the youngest team in the league although not much younger than the Lions. Kids like to roll out of bed the next day and get back to the playground. It also can matter who you played 4 days earlier. The Falcons were no tougher than the Saints. When the Packers in 1962 lost their one game on Turkey Day in Detroit ( which the media made a big stink about ) they played Johnny U and a fierce Colt team 4 days previously and had to jump on a plane Wednesday afternoon. The Lions had an easier opponent.
 

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Expected game time weather low 70s and calm. Short week to bask in the exciting finish from week three. After this one there is one game over the next 24 days. I expect most injured players to sit this one out unless they are fully healthy.
As big as a week four game can be, and another test for this young Packer group.

Detroit is a really solid team, and they believe...Their coaching staff has done a remarkable job. For the Lions, I'm sure they don't just want to win this game, they want to obliterate the Pack at Lambeau and let everyone know they have arrived.

For Green Bay, I believe the goal is to keep this game close going into the fourth quarter, and then win the final period in the same way you just did on Sunday. If the Pack can eliminate the penalties/mistakes and have Aaron Jones healthy and productive, I like GB in a close one.

Green Bay 20, Lions 17.

Go Pack Go!
 

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While I understand those that say this is only Week 4 with a long season to go, you can't overlook the importance of a division game against your main rival for the NFC North title. I don't care if it's Week 1 or Week 18, these games matter more than any other. I suspect that some guys that were on the bubble to play on Sunday were held out so that they could play on Thursday. Aaron Jones appeared to be ready to play, at least the way that Fox reported on his pre-game warmup. LaFleur would never say it publicly, but I suspect that Jones is the prime example of a guy held back to play in this more important game.
Good points . But to classify a must win is a stretch
 

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I'm just gonna say it now, if Love can go out and play well and somehow get us a W despite our offense I predict is still going to be RIDDLED with injuries - we have something special brewing.
 

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I trust the offense.
But I'll never feel comfortable with Barry's style of defense! I feel it keeps the defense on the field too long and the scheme leaves receivers open to make plays.
Watson will definitely play, if not, then it was a waste of a roster spot.
 

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I trust the offense.
But I'll never feel comfortable with Barry's style of defense! I feel it keeps the defense on the field too long and the scheme leaves receivers open to make plays.
Watson will definitely play, if not, then it was a waste of a roster spot.

To be fair defense has been doing well outside of the last quarter against the Falcons. Hope to see more of that.
 

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Here is why I feel this is a big game. Well as big of a game as a week 4 game can be. I feel the Pack is already 1 game behind Detroit. To me a loss at home puts them 2 games behind and Detroit will be at home next time. Why? you ask are they 1 game behind. They both have played ATL. IMO they have played similar opponents in Seattle & N.O. The Lions have K.C. behind them plus 2 games left with the Bears. GB still has to play the Chiefs with only 1 contest left with Chicago.
 

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I look at this as a must win. Your main rival, a home division game. A loss in week one could very well cost you the division or a playoff spot in week 18. They all count.
 

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As big as a week four game can be, and another test for this young Packer group.

Detroit is a really solid team, and they believe...Their coaching staff has done a remarkable job. For the Lions, I'm sure they don't just want to win this game, they want to obliterate the Pack at Lambeau and let everyone know they have arrived.

For Green Bay, I believe the goal is to keep this game close going into the fourth quarter, and then win the final period in the same way you just did on Sunday. If the Pack can eliminate the penalties/mistakes and have Aaron Jones healthy and productive, I like GB in a close one.

Green Bay 20, Lions 17.

Go Pack Go!
Cannot commit all those penalties in ALL 3 phases.
Per 'multiple sources' both Aaron Jones and Christian Watson to play on Thursday

Without these 2 we have only a small chance of winning. And we need Bahk especially with no Jenkins. The Lions will also try to exploit the absence of Alexander.
 
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I know Our Defense has been up and down. So with cautious optimism we look to them to continue to mitigate any high scoring contests. I’m still slightly concerned we are missing J’aire. We’ve got a pretty extensive injury list with Campbell, J’aire, Valentine, Jenkins, Tom, Bakhtiari, Jones, Watson.. that’s a ton of players. That said the bulk of these sound like week to week type injuries (1-4 weeks) Jenkins being the most serious and likely returning inside 4 weeks.

I saw a power ranking with The Packers at #10! While that’s exciting, I feel that’s still a few good performances away from calling us a top 10 team. The Lions were ranked #9 so this is absolutely an important game to gauge our strength.
 

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I'm just gonna say it now, if Love can go out and play well and somehow get us a W despite our offense I predict is still going to be RIDDLED with injuries - we have something special brewing.
We need Watson if for nothing else to run some deep patterns to keep their D honest. The few times that Love went long this season have been covered well although we have drawn penalties. Watson is also tall so he can go up higher than most defenders.
 

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I know Our Defense has been up and down. So with cautious optimism we look to them to continue to mitigate any high scoring contests. I’m still slightly concerned we are missing J’aire. We’ve got a pretty extensive injury list with Campbell, J’aire, Valentine, Jenkins, Tom, Bakhtiari, Jones, Watson.. that’s a ton of players. That said the bulk of these sound like week to week type injuries (1-4 weeks) Jenkins being the most serious and likely returning inside 4 weeks.

I saw a power ranking with The Packers at #10! While that’s exciting, I feel that’s still a few good performances away from calling us a top 10 team. The Lions were ranked #9 so this is absolutely an important game to gauge our strength.
The Lions somehow gave up 37 to the Seahawks. That really surprised me. Pete Carroll has won 2 track meets against them on the road in two years.
 

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I don't believe that I said it was a must win, just that these games matter more.
Absolutely agree that division wins are far more important than the others. It sets a tone and imo increases confidence in these young guys minds.
 

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I guess I kinda like the Lions. The hate just isn't there like it is for the other divisional rivals or others like the Cowboys or Niners. Maybe that'll change if both our teams are in an up cycle simultaneously, but not yet.
 

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I guess I kinda like the Lions. The hate just isn't there like it is for the other divisional rivals or others like the Cowboys or Niners. Maybe that'll change if both our teams are in an up cycle simultaneously, but not yet.
That is unique. After all they had the longest losing streak at Lambeau for years and years. And accomplished the 0-16 season in 2008. And they have never even been close to a SB. Our rival animosity has been directed at many NFC teams over the decades but hardly the Lions. Now you can go back to the early 60's when the Lion teams consisted of Alex Karras, Roger Brown, Joe Schmidt, Night Train Lane, Milt Plum, Yale Lary, Gail Cogdill, and Darris McCord. The rivalry was bitter back then. It was Lombardi's powerhouse rushing attack against the vaunted Motor City defense. The games were usually low scoring.
 
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I'm just gonna say it now, if Love can go out and play well and somehow get us a W despite our offense I predict is still going to be RIDDLED with injuries - we have something special brewing.
Exactly! As I pondered this topic,
I think what I’m about to say aligns with your comment.

I honestly think we’re postseason bound IF we start 3-1 AND as long as injuries are relatively normal going forward. I think we both know this isn’t the usual Detroit team. The Lions have a semi-explosive Offense with a great new TE and rising Defense with Brian and Jack being added in this draft and both playing well. In short, we’d be beating a team that appears to be Postseason quality and is currently top 10 on many power rankings. Beating a well rounded Lions team would put GB squarely in that top 6-10 area depending on the score. That would be incredible.

 
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Exactly! As I pondered this topic,
I think what I’m about to say aligns with your comment.

I honestly think we’re postseason bound IF we start 3-1 AND as long as injuries are relatively normal going forward. I think we both know this isn’t the usual Detroit team. The Lions have a semi-explosive Offense with a great new TE and rising Defense with Brian and Jack being added in this draft and both playing well. In short, we’d be beating a team that appears to be Postseason quality. I’ve seen several power rankings that have the Lions in the Top 10. This one below is pretty accurate imo

They are tough. I think both coaching staffs were looking at film and devising plans well before this week. I hope we can see something from their Seahawk loss.
 
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They are tough. I think both coaching staffs were looking at film and devising plans well before this week. I hope we can see something from their Seahawk loss.
The Seahawks are a much improved team this year. The Lions had 2 fumbles lost and 1 INT and still tied in regulation 31-31 against Seattle Imo we would need to get healthy with a couple players returning and win the turnover battle to beat them, I’m not feeling fuzzy about this one I’ll be honest.

Ideally David would play and we’d get Jones or Watson back. Something like that. If they all sit again we’re in for a long day
 

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The Seahawks are a much improved team this year. The Lions had 2 fumbles lost and 1 INT and still tied in regulation 31-31 against Seattle Imo we would need to get healthy with a couple players returning and win the turnover battle to beat them, I’m not feeling fuzzy about this one I’ll be honest.

Ideally David would play and we’d get Jones or Watson back. Something like that. If they all sit again we’re in for a long day
My other worry is not have Jaire. Valentine got banged up Sunday. You know Goff will be looking for St. Brown as well as their new TE. We have to bring the pass rush. Montgomery is the other concern.
 

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