150 - Kingsley Keke DE

[HardRightEdge]

I was actually referring to Turner who they signed to a big contract in free agency and who you claim won't be the starter.

You're confusing me with somebody else. I expect Turner to be an OG starter, probably RG. Who wouldn't?

 

[RRyder]

In terms of being an every down OLB specifically, I agree he's a project. But (imo) Pettine will line him up all over the place in sub packages for different twists, stunts and blitzes. He'll make an immediate impact rushing the QB.

I agree that's how he will be used starting out but that's also very situational and he needs alot of work just working on his pass rushing moves but that still shouldnt have any bearing on wheather we should bring Wilkerson back (which was what my original response was all about)

In any case theres a Gary thread for this I dont want to continue derailing this thread

 

[RRyder]

Do you honestly think that GB would use a #12 overall for a player project? You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but you have to know that you are in a very small minority on that one.

Well I and others think it was a mistake to draft him at 12 in the first place so.......

In any case as I stated above I wont continue to derail this thread. Good day. Hopefully hes better out of the gate then I expect

 

[GleefulGary]

I would argue that Gary is a "project" that has a relatively high floor.

Currently, as of now, he can come in and set edges well, defend the run well, and push the pocket in decently. He should he good on stunts and loops from day 1. So he can play, and play well. Like...he's not a complete flop. He will make an impact, at the very least, in the run game.

Where he is a project is technique, specifically hand usage, steps, counters, and rushing the passer with a plan. The hand usage and steps, those aren't that hard to fix. Developing counters usually takes a year or two. Rushing with a plan? That can take some time. He might get it, he might not.

Calling him a project is somewhat disingenuous. Yes, he has a lot to work on and improve, but he also has a relatively high floor, imo.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Not sure how 2 out of those 3 have any bearing on Wilkerson as Gary (who very possibly wont play much barring injury) and Z Smith will both be standing up and only in the line in dime situations but it's certainly entirely possible they dont have any intention of bringing him back with his injury history.

I fully expect the Packers to use Gary with his hands in the dirt on various formations as well.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Can't go around Green Bay in December and January with no shoes.

LOL WHAT? I like this analogy just tell me what it means. I'm gonna drop it on somebody in 2020.....

Yeah, there is some stuff even in his highlights that might qualify as strange or bad. If one were looking for something to like, see the play at 1:00 in this video, which says 5-tech:

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On the other hand, the spin move at 0:25 looks a bit mechanical and probably won't play in prime time.

There's work to be done here particularly in the strength department. The question is whether you have to give him a roster spot or if he can be snuck onto the practice squad.

Whoever did his highlights needs to keep their day job....

I like that he is grabby, he's likely to get a hand on you if he gets penetration, and once he does you're going down or the reinforcements are there. He could be a Johnny Jolly 2.0.

He won't make it on the practice squad, he'll be gone.

In terms of being an every down OLB specifically, I agree he's a project. But (imo) Pettine will line him up all over the place in sub packages for different twists, stunts and blitzes. He'll make an immediate impact rushing the QB.

This. Gary isn't a tweener, bur he's the perfect size/speed combo. He can line up ANYWHERE in the 3-4 and subpackages. Pettine can literally look at that week's opponent's weakspot and make that Gary's assignment. Conversely, he can also line Gary up in a place where we might be at a disadvantage to shore up the holes. He could be like a Khalil Mack Lite.

But I agree let's focus on Keke here and not Gary, but they could make an interesting tandem in the near future.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

LOL WHAT? I like this analogy just tell me what it means. I'm gonna drop it on somebody in 2020.....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson

 

[Dantés]

Kingsley Keke:

• 6'2.5", 288 lbs, 34.5" arms
• 4.95 forty
• 31.5" vert
• 111" broad
• 7.55 3C
• 4.46 SS

Player X:

• 6'2", 294 lbs, 34.5" arms
• 5.02 forty
• 32" vert
• 116" broad
• 7.33 3C
• 4.59 SS

Any guesses?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Kingsley Keke:

• 6'2.5", 288 lbs, 34.5" arms
• 4.95 forty
• 31.5" vert
• 111" broad
• 7.55 3C
• 4.46 SS

Player X:

• 6'2", 294 lbs, 34.5" arms
• 5.02 forty
• 32" vert
• 116" broad
• 7.33 3C
• 4.59 SS

Any guesses?

Sheldon Rankins?

 

[Dantés]

Sheldon Rankins?

Close but no cigar.

 

[GleefulGary]

Kingsley Keke:

• 6'2.5", 288 lbs, 34.5" arms
• 4.95 forty
• 31.5" vert
• 111" broad
• 7.55 3C
• 4.46 SS

Player X:

• 6'2", 294 lbs, 34.5" arms
• 5.02 forty
• 32" vert
• 116" broad
• 7.33 3C
• 4.59 SS

Any guesses?

Oh! I know!

 

[Snoops]

Gute’s strategy of doubling down on the defense, and addressing TE/OL leads me to believe that he is confident in the continued progression of EQ and MVS.

I do seem to think they he found a couple of really good prospects in those two. And who knows, JMon might emerge in year 2.

I agree I fully expect the receiving core to be better look at Adams he was dropple paddlehands in yr two and everyone wanted him cut lol however if any slot guys around preseason get cut that might be a possibility but I feel good about our group

 

[thequick12]

I agree I fully expect the receiving core to be better look at Adams he was dropple paddlehands in yr two and everyone wanted him cut lol however if any slot guys around preseason get cut that might be a possibility but I feel good about our group

Everybody did not want Adams cut. It was evident from his first mini camp that he would be the next great 2nd round wr pick by TT. As it turned out he was the last too. Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, Adams

 

[gopkrs]

I agree I fully expect the receiving core to be better look at Adams he was dropple paddlehands in yr two and everyone wanted him cut lol however if any slot guys around preseason get cut that might be a possibility but I feel good about our group

And I would not be surprised if our new TE comes into play. Just have a good feeling about him.

 

[scotscheese]

Sheldon Rankins?

Close but no cigar.

Sheldon Cooper??

 

[Dantés]

Sheldon Cooper??

Lol.

Sheldon Richardson is player X.

I think Keke got slept on a little bit as an athlete in this class because he was being viewed as a DE/ED. He's an interior defensive lineman with high end tools.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Lol.

Sheldon Richardson is player X.

I think Keke got slept on a little bit as an athlete in this class because he was being viewed as a DE/ED. He's an interior defensive lineman with high end tools.

Well damn, my next guess was going to be Parris Campbell!

 

[Dantés]

Well damn, my next guess was going to be Parris Campbell!

How dare you compare a mere 5th round pick to the holy one.

 

[sschind]

You're confusing me with somebody else. I expect Turner to be an OG starter, probably RG. Who wouldn't?

Sorry. I thought you were the one saying Jenkins might have a better shot beating out Tuner than Taylor. Maybe i just misread the posts. Or maybe i just got it all wrong. Wouldn't be the first time

 

[GleefulGary]

Sorry. I thought you were the one saying Jenkins might have a better shot beating out Tuner than Taylor. Maybe i just misread the posts. Or maybe i just got it all wrong. Wouldn't be the first time

That was RRyder.

 

[gbgary]

You don't take a guy with the 12th. pick if you're not planning to give him significant snaps.

You should not be surprised if the first nickel snap of the season isn't P. Smith and Gary on the edge and Clark and Z. Smith inside. If not then you won't be waiting very long to see it.

i'm hoping he IS on that first rep...because it means he's beaten someone out for that spot. that's the only way it'll happen too as he's going to have to earn it. this new regime has already stated they're going with the best 11 for each situation regardless of draft status or salary. he'll be going one on one a lot more now than he did in college. i'm very anxious to see how pettine sets him up.

 

[Fat Dogs]

So I just went back and watched the senior bowl and was very impressed with this kid. KeKe played DT in a 4-3 and more than held his own against Dalton Risner, Lindstrom, and Bradbury. He consistently got pressure and recorded a sac. I did see him get swallowed up by double teams a few times but that was expected when playing so light at DT against this caliber of lineman. I know it’s only one game but he showed that he belonged and I think we got a steal.

I also loved the play of Elgton Jenkins. He was quick to get his hand up and had tremendous push on every play. This kid is a bonified stud and there’s no doubt that he will be starting sooner than later.

Lastley, I came away feeling underwhelmed with the play of Dexter Williams. He dropped a couple of easy catches and did next to nothing running the ball in the first half. They did feed him the ball in the 2nd so he ended up with a descent stat line thanks to three runs and a TD. I did read that he was a standout back that whole week so I won’t dwell on the ugliness of one half.

 

[thequick12]

Well I and others think it was a mistake to draft him at 12 in the first place so.......

In any case as I stated above I wont continue to derail this thread. Good day. Hopefully hes better out of the gate then I expect

I agree on that there's a lot of players I would have taken at 12 before I took Gary. Really not a fan of him just don't think he's ever gonna be a star player and at 12 you want an all pro. Gary obviously could prove me wrong but I don't see all pro potential when I watch him. Also I think he's a bit redundant with what the team signed in free agency. He reminds me a bit of datone Jones let's hope he at least turns out better than that.

As for Kingsley keke I really like the pick he's a guy I think can replace mike Daniels as an inside rusher. I consistently picked him in the 5th/6th round while doing fanspeak mocks. Great pick by gute I really think keke develops into a very solid player

 

[tynimiller]

Lastley, I came away feeling underwhelmed with the play of Dexter Williams. He dropped a couple of easy catches and did next to nothing running the ball in the first half. They did feed him the ball in the 2nd so he ended up with a descent stat line thanks to three runs and a TD. I did read that he was a standout back that whole week so I won’t dwell on the ugliness of one half.

Despite seeing some scouts say his hands are fine...don't believe any of it. While fine I guess could mean different things to different folks, that part of his game is something from watching his college career he will need to grow in at the next level.

 

[Fat Dogs]

Despite seeing some scouts say his hands are fine...don't believe any of it. While fine I guess could mean different things to different folks, that part of his game is something from watching his college career he will need to grow in at the next level.

I guess all these guys have holes in their games. Hence the reason he was the 17th RB selected. I think those of us that are already anointing him as our backup above Jamaal before the season starts should temper expectations.