Wide Receiver Options

[Heyjoe4]

The Packers definitely don't want Campbell or Walker to cover opposing wide receiver regularly.



That's a huge if though.



Rodgers targeted at least seven pass catchers in all but one game last season.

Wow, I had no idea he was hitting that many guys last year, thanks. That makes me less concerned about the passing game production this year. He'll find a way to get the ball to the new guys, and very likely throw to the RBs more often.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think this season we are going to witness the emergence of DD, JN, CJ.
I'm no worried at all.
We are in a weak conference and division and by the 3rd quarter of the season out O should be very proficient at the latest.
Until them D# and Solid RG can carry the load if need be.

I'm not sure who those guys are - but I'm not worried about the passing game. We have two RBs who are also excellent receivers. Rodgers will have plenty of guys to throw the ball to.

 

[OldSchool101]

Donald Driver, Jordy Nelson and James John's or Greg Jennings either way.

I’m pretty optimistic, I just hope we can surpass regular season 4,000+ passing/~35 TD area. I think that would be a Win in itself.

 

[Packerbacker1996]

I’m pretty optimistic, I just hope we can surpass regular season 4,000+ passing/~35 TD area. I think that would be a Win in itself.

We will be fine.
Our WR have a lot to play for. There is no clear 1-2-3 receiver on the teams right now. Everything is for grabs. Starting spots, spotlight, huge potential future contracts etc...

And we have a very good organization. One of the best in the league. We got to have some trust in what they are doing.

Short of to many key season ending injuries playoffs are but guaranteed.
And superbawl appearance not far fetched either as long as they all work hard and things come togheder.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I’m pretty optimistic, I just hope we can surpass regular season 4,000+ passing/~35 TD area. I think that would be a Win in itself.

Count me as highly doubtful that Rodgers gets to 4,000+ yards. Past two seasons he's thrown for 4,299 and 4,115 yards. He's now missing 43.5% of the targets he threw to last season. While I believe the rookies will be solid contributors by the end of the year, I don't think the passing game will be good enough in the beginning of the season to keep up the pace he would need for 4,000+ yards. Plus, I fully expect the team to look like the Titans to start the year while the rookies get on track (lots of running and relying on the defense to keep opponents in check).

 

[Heyjoe4]

Count me as highly doubtful that Rodgers gets to 4,000+ yards. Past two seasons he's thrown for 4,299 and 4,115 yards. He's now missing 43.5% of the targets he threw to last season. While I believe the rookies will be solid contributors by the end of the year, I don't think the passing game will be good enough in the beginning of the season to keep up the pace he would need for 4,000+ yards. Plus, I fully expect the team to look like the Titans to start the year while the rookies get on track (lots of running and relying on the defense to keep opponents in check).

Hey Sunshine how did you come up with that 43.5% number? Thanks.

 

[tynimiller]

Count me as highly doubtful that Rodgers gets to 4,000+ yards. Past two seasons he's thrown for 4,299 and 4,115 yards. He's now missing 43.5% of the targets he threw to last season. While I believe the rookies will be solid contributors by the end of the year, I don't think the passing game will be good enough in the beginning of the season to keep up the pace he would need for 4,000+ yards. Plus, I fully expect the team to look like the Titans to start the year while the rookies get on track (lots of running and relying on the defense to keep opponents in check).

There were 570 targets last season with 402 receptions. Adams accounted for 29.6% of the targets and 30.5% of the receptions.

If speaking to just pass catching positions TE and WR I show there were 465 targets and 313 receptions - Adams accounted for 36.3% of the targets and 39.3% of the receptions

Of just the WRs I show there were 366 targets and 241 receptions - Adams accounted for 46% of those targets and 51% of the receptions.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Hey Sunshine how did you come up with that 43.5% number? Thanks.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...fter-day-1-of-draft-who-could-earn-key-roles/

Number is from the above article. Whether the number is 43.5% or 37% doesn't really change my point though.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

There were 570 targets last season with 402 receptions. Adams accounted for 29.6% of the targets and 30.5% of the receptions.

If speaking to just pass catching positions TE and WR I show there were 465 targets and 313 receptions - Adams accounted for 36.3% of the targets and 39.3% of the receptions

Of just the WRs I show there were 366 targets and 241 receptions - Adams accounted for 46% of those targets and 51% of the receptions.

MVS and ESB were also targeted 72 times last season.

 

[kevans74]

I think a lot of you all are forgetting MLFs scheme...and how that could help with production for WRs, provided they can LEARN the scheme and playbook. I am confident that AR has near mastered it in Year 4.

Does talent (like Davante help)? Well duh.

But this isn't the MM scheme or offense that requires WRs to just win "1 on 1" all the time and AR to make insane accurate precision throws.

This is a much better offensive scheme, playbook, etc.

I think AR will have BETTER numbers this year actually.

I wouldn't be surprised if Watkins, Watson, Doubs, Lazard each pull off something like ~50/700/8

Cobb will get ~40/600/6

Aaron Jones will have a great overall year again with good receiving numbers

I think our real question is what type of production can we expect from the TE position...

 

[OldSchool101]

Count me as highly doubtful that Rodgers gets to 4,000+ yards. Past two seasons he's thrown for 4,299 and 4,115 yards. He's now missing 43.5% of the targets he threw to last season. While I believe the rookies will be solid contributors by the end of the year, I don't think the passing game will be good enough in the beginning of the season to keep up the pace he would need for 4,000+ yards. Plus, I fully expect the team to look like the Titans to start the year while the rookies get on track (lots of running and relying on the defense to keep opponents in check).

Well. We do have a 17 game season, so 4,000 yards isn’t what it used to be. I think we somewhat underestimate our group. We’ve got 7 Wideouts that are veterans.

Malik Taylor: 3rd season
Randall Cobb: 12th season
Allen Lazard: 5th season
Sammy Watkins: 9th season
Amari Rodgers: 2nd season
Rico Gafford: 5th season
Juan Winfree: 4th season

Plus 4 more Rookies

Davis
Touree
Doubs
Watson

All those above competing for the top spots.

We’re fine. Might even be better than fine

 

[Schultz]

1 season is too little to make a judgement on Amari Rodgers yet you consider him a veteran? Please make up my mind.

 

[kevans74]

I'm not expecting much from Amari, we should be more concerned about our TE production

 

[tynimiller]

Personally I expect 4,000 yards passing honestly for sure, so long as Love healthy

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Wow, I had no idea he was hitting that many guys last year, thanks. That makes me less concerned about the passing game production this year. He'll find a way to get the ball to the new guys, and very likely throw to the RBs more often.

Rodgers just spreading the ball around for the sake of doing it won't result in success. The wide receivers need to be productive as well.

I think we somewhat underestimate our group. We’ve got 7 Wideouts that are veterans.

Malik Taylor: 3rd season
Randall Cobb: 12th season
Allen Lazard: 5th season
Sammy Watkins: 9th season
Amari Rodgers: 2nd season
Rico Gafford: 5th season
Juan Winfree: 4th season

Those guys combined for 1,399 receiving yards last season, which is 154 yards less than Adams put up by himself.

 

[tynimiller]

Rodgers just spreading the ball around for the sake of doing it won't result in success. The wide receivers need to be productive as well.



Those guys combined for 1,399 receiving yards last season, which is 154 yards less than Adams put up by himself.

For sure, however the double edged sword of truth is they did that production on 172 targets, only 3 more targets than Adams alone had. Of course that is due none of them being a teams' WR1 or WR2 for four of them (Cobb/Lazard/Watkins/Rodgers), and the others not even being a team's WR5 (Gafford/Winfree/Taylor). Of course part of the cause of this isn't just having better elite options ahead of them, some of it is their limited skillset or experience of course as well.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

For sure, however the double edged sword of truth is they did that production on 172 targets, only 3 more targets than Adams alone had. Of course that is due none of them being a teams' WR1 or WR2 for four of them (Cobb/Lazard/Watkins/Rodgers), and the others not even being a team's WR5 (Gafford/Winfree/Taylor). Of course part of the cause of this isn't just having better elite options ahead of them, some of it is their limited skillset or experience of course as well.

My point being that it's unrealistic to expect that group to make up for the loss of Adams. The Packers will need Jones and Dillon to improve on their numbers from last season and at least one of the rookies to contribute immediately.

 

[tynimiller]

My point being that it's unrealistic to expect that group to make up for the loss of Adams. The Packers will need Jones and Dillon to improve on their numbers from last season and at least one of the rookies to contribute immediately.

Yup - I feel everyone including MLF and Rodgers has this expectation. I also think Deguara is going to continue where he left off with delivering timely yards when number called.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Yup - I feel everyone including MLF and Rodgers has this expectation. I also think Deguara is going to continue where he left off with delivering timely yards when number called.

I'm not as optimistic about Deguara as you seem to be.

 

[tynimiller]

I'm not as optimistic about Deguara as you seem to be.

I'm only going off of precisely what we saw the last half of the season. Trending towards a yard mark similar to Tonyan in 2020. IF Tonyan is healthy, I see no reason why the TE room cannot chip in 1,000 yards receiving in the air attack which will primarily come from Tonyan and Deguara.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I'm only going off of precisely what we saw the last half of the season. Trending towards a yard mark similar to Tonyan in 2020. IF Tonyan is healthy, I see no reason why the TE room cannot chip in 1,000 yards receiving in the air attack which will primarily come from Tonyan and Deguara.

I'm not sure who it will be, but I am confident that someone in the TE/WR room is going to step it up this season. It could be Deguara, or Amari Rodgers, or maybe even Tyler Davis or Juwann Winfree...

This is going to be a fun year.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Rodgers just spreading the ball around for the sake of doing it won't result in success. The wide receivers need to be productive as well.



Those guys combined for 1,399 receiving yards last season, which is 154 yards less than Adams put up by himself.

Well ya the WRs need to be productive. I thought that went without saying. Actually they all need to be productive. Yes the number of guys he throws to means nothing if it isn't accompanied with yardage and most important, points. He could throw 3 yard passes to three different guys and it wouldn't be enough for a first down.

And it only makes sense that Adams would account for the lion's share of yardage. But it's not last year and they have a new WR group. But your point shows what has to be made up in terms of production.

It seems you and I see the WR situation a little differently. That's fine. I think they'll step up as will Rodgers. I don't think you're convinced but if I'm wrong and you feel otherwise, let me know. Otherwise we can disagree until the WRs produce enough to help the team get deep in the playoffs, or not and they all go home early. I think they'll go far, at least the NFCCG. And it would be a good year to start winning the NFCCG and get back to the SB after what - 4 straight losses in the NFCCG?

 

[tynimiller]

I fully expect a slow start to the season for the WRs production - outside a few big plays, but by mid-season our target breakdowns to WRs vs TE vs RBs I think will be more closely aligned with the past, except for about 5-10% more to RBs than before and that will be shaved off both the TE and WR rooms - our RB duo (honestly possibly trio) are special and need fed/used.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I'm not as optimistic about Deguara as you seem to be.

Yeah if DeGuarra was coming on last year, I missed it. He reminds me of Richard Rodgers. Soft hands and heavy legs. I hope Ty is right and he emerges this year as an offensive threat. I just don't remember seeing anything to suggest that. But hey, I miss things and guys make jumps year to year. With Tonyan out, DeGuarra has a chance to shine. I hope he takes it and I hope Ty is right about him.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I fully expect a slow start to the season for the WRs production - outside a few big plays, but by mid-season our target breakdowns to WRs vs TE vs RBs I think will be more closely aligned with the past, except for about 5-10% more to RBs than before and that will be shaved off both the TE and WR rooms - our RB duo (honestly possibly trio) are special and need fed/used.

Agreed. We know we have two RBs who cn run routes and catch balls. That's an incredible advantage and allows MLF to scheme misdirection plays.