Who Will Aaron Rodgers Play For In 2022?

[tynimiller]

Yeah I wasn't sure if they could add 5 years to his existing 1 and have 2 of them voidable. Whatever they can do, its going to be one of the biggest single player cap hits that we have seen on the books.

Unless we have another Covid type season. Even if it does go up every year, it does that for every team. When you are the team that is hard against the cap due to 1 or 2 players, you better be great at drafting and developing, because you won't have much blood left to squeeze out for paying free agents or even your own.

Only 5...hence why Sullivan had years voided out for 22', 23', 24', 25'....of course all hitting us in 2022 on the cap hit day active contract ends....

I hate that we have to pay Sullivan $1M let alone the money we will be paying King or Tonyan or others possibly in years we don't even have them here BUT imagine the hit that will occur when Rodgers is gone....YIKES

 

[thequick12]

Unless we have another Covid type season. Even if it does go up every year, it does that for every team. When you are the team that is hard against the cap due to 1 or 2 players, you better be great at drafting and developing, because you won't have much blood left to squeeze out for paying free agents or even your own.

Yeah i get it goes up for every team. But the goal is to draft and develop future hall of fame players...Rodgers/Adams. The teams that have a lot of cap space would love to spend it on those 2 players

And I agree gute and friends, Ridgers included better make some really good picks in this draft and going forward. But once again that also goes for every team

 

[tynimiller]

Yeah i get it goes up for every team. But the goal is to draft and develop future hall of fame players...Rodgers/Adams. The teams that have a lot of cap space would love to spend it on those 2 players

And I agree gute and friends, Ridgers included better make some really good picks in this draft and going forward. But once again that also goes for every team

I'd 100% argue hitting on the draft players is intensified times 100 should you fiscally strap a team so much in the future. Normally I don't expect more than one player picked with a team's first four picks to be a first year starter/solid contributor....I feel we will need two or three of those which is crazy high expectations.

 

[swhitset]

Rodgers performed at a below average level vs. the Niners but the Packers lost the game because of their special teams. I'm quite sure that unit can potentially improve dramatically next season.

It seems there are too many fans who believe it's no issue to replace the back-to-back MVP in a heartbeat. Most likely all of you will be hugely disappointed.

Insanity is not understanding that.

 

[thequick12]

Cbs fox nbc and espn have agreed to pay 105 billion in total through 2033 for their respective media rights

Amazon paid 1 billion per season for 11 seasons starting with 2022 just for Thursday Night football.

Espn has since signed a 5 year deal for monday night wild card games. Which includes "the Manmong cast"

Im quite sure were set to see a revenue increase and thus cap increase like the nfl has never seen before over the next 11 seasons

 

[tynimiller]

Cbs fox nbc and espn have agreed to pay 105 billion in total through 2033 for their respective media rights

Amazon paid 1 billion per season for 11 seasons starting with 2022 just for Thursday Night football.

Espn has since signed a 5 year deal for monday night wild card games. Which includes "the Manmong cast"

Im quite sure were set to see a revenue increase and thus cap increase like the nfl has never seen before over the next 11 seasons

I don't disagree at all nor would any person with a third grade reading level honestly. Doesn't change the fact these moves will have us operating on the bottom of the fiscal "ability" end of the league for a time till all the voided money finally is off books. You can push the cap but you cannot avoid paying it - eventually.

 

[swhitset]

Haha they got plenty of cash, and theres plenty of ways to manipulate the salary cap... the "salary cap" excuse is for owners who dont want to spend their cash. The Packers owners are the people of brown county and they need to demand that the packers front office representatives including Murphy and the board soend their cash to win a few SB titles before Rodgers retires

That is just wrong. Pretty much every team spends most of their cap … in fact they are required to. What we are debating is how much we should back load contracts to win now and pay later. This has nothing to do with owners trying to save money.

 

[swhitset]

Actually I am in touch with how the cap works...I was certainly in touch with how it worked last off season when others were saying theres no way we can resign aaron jones becas of the cap

I guess all I can say is youll see...the Packers will kick the can to try and win during Rodgers last 4 seasons. And it will not ruin the teams financial future becas the cap is going way up. Well see who was right...

I agree with this.

 

[thequick12]

I'd 100% argue hitting on the draft players is intensified times 100 should you fiscally strap a team so much in the future. Normally I don't expect more than one player picked with a team's first four picks to be a first year starter/solid contributor....I feel we will need two or three of those which is crazy high expectations.

Idk that 2 is crazy high I mean i feel like theres always at least 1. On a good year 2 on a crazy good year yes 3 of your first 4 or probably this year 5 picks are starters

In 2021 they got Eric Stokes 1st Josh Meyers 2nd and i guess royce newman 4th as first year starters

In 2022 if they can add a starter at some combination of 3 of the 5 WR, DB, DL, OL, TE with their 1st thru 4th round picks theyd be in great shape if they added 4 out of 5 wow and 5 for 5 watch out

Id honestly be for getting back in first to get 2 guys like Chris Olave and Trent McDuffie

 

[thequick12]

That is just wrong. Pretty much every team spends most of their cap … in fact they are required to. What we are debating is how much we should back load contracts to win now and pay later. This has nothing to do with owners trying to save money.

Ok theres a difference between "cash" and salary cap. I think youre missing that

 

[OldSchool101]

I agree with this.

On the surface that sounds good. However we have opponents that in real time have up to $130,000,000 more $$ to spend and much better draft capital on top of that. If we are expecting other teams to sit around and underperform or regress while we stay stagnant or possibly regress we are not very wise

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Only 5...hence why Sullivan had years voided out for 22', 23', 24', 25'....of course all hitting us in 2022 on the cap hit day active contract ends....

I hate that we have to pay Sullivan $1M let alone the money we will be paying King or Tonyan or others possibly in years we don't even have them here BUT imagine the hit that will occur when Rodgers is gone....YIKES

Right and this shows you just how bad the Packers situation got. Having to do that with many of their "low paid" peripheral players because of the big contracts you have put a handful of players on. This is the whole point that you, I and a few others are trying to make. I don't care how much money you push into the future, if you are paying a handful of players top 10 money for their position, they eventually are taking up most of your cap, there is no way you can even afford to pay the small contracts, without pushing them out too.

Reminds me of a family member, who I won't name. This person kept getting credit cards, because they offered "free money" and high spending limits. They would even take money from one card, to pay off another. Always trying to hone in on the card with the lowest rate. 3 years later, a house full of crap they didn't need, vacations a distant memory and 12 credit card debts that forced them into declaring personal bankruptcy. The NFL owners and players are playing with borrowed money, expecting the media contracts to keep rising and the fans to keep buying into it. I wouldn't be that sad to see it all come down on them someday.

 

[Forget Favre]

I just wonder if now he is going to look at Stafford and pull that.
Switch to another team that will be better SB contenders and do what it takes by either having or getting him better players.

The only way he stays is if he takes his responsibility for his part for the loss and is willing to correct those mistakes.

 

[thequick12]

The goal is to draft great players and pay them, very well after their rookie contracts...rarely do the packers give 3rd contracts

Rodgers and Adams are exceptions

Do you think the Packers should let alexander walk or jenkins or gary ?

I dont i think so... you hit on those players and youre glad to pay em. It also shows you tale care of your own

 

[thequick12]

I just wonder if now he is going to look at Stafford and pull that.
Switch to another team that will be better SB contenders and do what it takes by either having or getting him better players.

The only way he stays is if he takes his responsibility for his part for the loss and is willing to correct those mistakes.

Yes Rodgers didnt play very good agajnst the 9ers but he certainly played well enough to win had the packers had fieled even an average special teams unit

If the Packers win that game 16-3...the narrative isnt at all that Rodgers didnt play well...

 

[tynimiller]

Idk that 2 is crazy high I mean i feel like theres always at least 1. On a good year 2 on a crazy good year yes 3 of your first 4 or probably this year 5 picks are starters

In 2021 they got Eric Stokes 1st Josh Meyers 2nd and i guess royce newman 4th as first year starters

In 2022 if they can add a starter at some combination of 3 of the 5 WR, DB, DL, OL, TE with their 1st thru 4th round picks theyd be in great shape if they added 4 out of 5 wow and 5 for 5 watch out

Id honestly be for getting back in first to get 2 guys like Chris Olave and Trent McDuffie

Getting two surefire guaranteed starters before entering the fifth round of the draft is a leap in their first years, could you have two by the end of their first year or their second year for sure - that is quite likely. However, it is even rare to expect a first rounder to come right in from college and start at the NFL level.

 

[tynimiller]

I just wonder if now he is going to look at Stafford and pull that.
Switch to another team that will be better SB contenders and do what it takes by either having or getting him better players.

The only way he stays is if he takes his responsibility for his part for the loss and is willing to correct those mistakes.

What more freaking players do you all want? I mean God, it's like unless we added OBJ or a WR folks christened the one NONE of the other moves were anything?

We pushed cap around A TON to keep a loaded defensive roster, signed DeVondre Campbell who was the best ILB in the league arguably last year, made the move to bring Cobb in for Rodgers, brought in Bojo in season, brought in Whitney Mercilus and even took a swing at Jaylon Smith. With the money we had, and even pushing money around we didn't have we built a team that gave Rodgers a defense that held the opponent to 6 total offensive points on our home field in the playoffs. There is no perfect roster out there, but I'm sick of folks believing Green Bay is just being lazy and passive when it comes to building a team. Just not the case.

 

[Half Empty]

Yes Rodgers didnt play very good agajnst the 9ers but he certainly played well enough to win had the packers had fieled even an average special teams unit

If the Packers win that game 16-3...the narrative isnt at all that Rodgers didnt play well...

Certainly, winning heals all wounds, and the second paragraph is hard to argue with.

However, while the Pack probably would have won with even poor ST play, I don't think anyone prior to the game would have been comfortable that 10 points (OK, give them the FG and make it 13) from that 13-3 team with an MVP QB was enough to win.

 

[tynimiller]

Yes Rodgers didnt play very good agajnst the 9ers but he certainly played well enough to win had the packers had fieled even an average special teams unit

We win the game if we have a typical Aaron Rodgers as well, I don't even need other worldly Aaron Rodgers - just typical. Special Teams were far worse, but that UGLY game was still very winnable despite our special teams producing as if they were sacks of flour.

 

[thequick12]

Here we go...

Extend Rodgers save 21.1 m
Extend Alexander save 9.8 m
Extend P. Smith save 8.7 m
Extend Amos save 5.1 m
Release Z.Smith save 15.2 m
Release Cobb 6.7 m
Release Crosby save 2.4 m

Total Savings 69 million

That gives you 20 million in cap space and theres other moves that can still be made

 

[thequick12]

We win the game if we have a typical Aaron Rodgers as well, I don't even need other worldly Aaron Rodgers - just typical. Special Teams were far worse, but that UGLY game was still very winnable despite our special teams producing as if they were sacks of flour.

I mean 20 of 29 for 225 yards would of been fine if 2 of those completions were for tds. I agree there

That brings us to you need at least 2 real wrs to win the Rams and Bengals each had 1 wr equal to Adams and 2 wrs better than anyone the Packers had

The Rams and Bengals both had real deal 1s, real deal 2s, and real deal 3s. The Packers have just a 1

Granted if Rodgers hadnt panicked on that 3rd down he brett favered deep to adams....and hed gine to Lazard the Packers probably win

 

[OldSchool101]

Yeah theyre going to no doubt save as much as they possibly can on his current 46m cap number for 2022. I guess with the ability to restructure money to signing bonus and add void years every year...i just hope the cap really does keep going up i see no reason it wont

Just a reminder. As someone pointed in here. The Cap going up will primarily cover increases in salaries across the positions. That means we it’s not like it’s “free” money to play catch-up and our costs remain flat.
That said it will give us flexibility to move monies around year to year etc.. Also the premier positions will be the ones eating the largest % of the pie. So the other minor, but positive offset to our advantage is that OUR QB position salary should be locked.
As an example. Go back 4-5 seasons ago and look at the top rated players at each position. In 4-5 years those positions’ salaries will inflate similarly. It’s not like we magically will have an extra $15mil per year above the current payroll compensation load


Careful of the “Market Price”… menu item. You just might unintentionally be the Bait

 

[thequick12]

Getting two surefire guaranteed starters before entering the fifth round of the draft is a leap in their first years, could you have two by the end of their first year or their second year for sure - that is quite likely. However, it is even rare to expect a first rounder to come right in from college and start at the NFL level.

I mean werent Stokes, Meyers, and Newman all starters opening day or very soon there after?

Im not saying its not rare Im saying its certainly possible especially if you concentrate on getting guys who match need to bpa nfl rediness

 

[tynimiller]

Here we go...

Extend Rodgers save 21.1 m
Extend Alexander save 9.8 m
Extend P. Smith save 8.7 m
Extend Amos save 5.1 m
Release Z.Smith save 15.2 m
Release Cobb 6.7 m
Release Crosby save 2.4 m

Total Savings 69 million

That gives you 20 million in cap space and theres other moves that can still be made

Let's say all those figures are exactly what they are for 2022 and clearly we don't care their impact beyond that for the hypothetical situation...

Plan on what $5.5M or so to the draftees....down to $14.5M

That still leaves us with WR room of Cobb as the only one with actual playing time experience of any measurable sort. Winfree is second and then Chris Blair and Rico Gafford. Lazard is unsigned, MVS unsigned, EQ unsigned...) Lazard being a RFA is going to cost minimum around $2.4M if we bring him back...MVS will run more than that and possibly as high as $7M.

That leaves us with zero depth on the OL behind our 5 "healthy" guys of Bakh, Runyan, Myers, Newman and Turner (Yosh is not signed, Jenkins is hurt, Patrick and Kelly are unsigned) Yosh again like Lazard will cost minimum $2.4M...Patrick or Kelly similar even if one year...

That leaves us with basically no ILB, only Summers and McDuffie signed....Campbell and Barnes both not signed....even Barnes will take at least $2/3M to sign...Campbell will take double that minimum.

That leaves us with a Cornerback room that essentially has just Jaire and Stokes.....sure we have SJC (rookie last season), the ever ongoing experiment that is Kabion Ento as well. Resign Sullivan would be cheapest route...but he'd even take a few million....King probably $4M minimum and be a bargain after last year at $5M he did well....Rasul could be closer to $10M than $6M...

This also leaves us with no kicker...well we could just roll with JJ Molson at his $705K figure and not worry about signing any competition or someone more proven to save some cap hit.

Also leaves us with no punter on the roster presently. There's a minimum type hit at least at 70% of a million at bit over $700,000.


That is a TON of holes and costs to cover with just $14.5M


Which is why even beyond ALL the fiscal issues we have that will hit us already, we will have to move more into future hits...just to bring back guys like or sign replacement level guys of similar roles as Lazard, King, Sully, Tonyan, Kelly, Yosh....shoot even EQSB.


Again kick that can down the road it is all possible, and seems they are more than willing to do it too and it is just a matter of days before we learn it confirmed and then a few more days before league releases the details of the contract for us to see what year it all crashes.

 

[tynimiller]

I mean werent Stokes, Meyers, and Newman all starters opening day or very soon there after?

Im not saying its not rare Im saying its certainly possible especially if you concentrate on getting guys who match need to bpa nfl rediness

Of course it is possible, however had our entire stable of OL not been injured it is quite clear that Newman kept his job purely because of injury not because he was dominating. Again, it happens sure, but to bank on it is ignorance.