Whitehead Gone, G-Mo Placed on IR, and acquired CB Will Redmond

[7thFloorRA]

I think these moves are the first steps of him firing MM. Clearly there is a discipline issue within MM's locker room. Gute just cleared 3 on field and or off field issues up within the last week.

 

[swhitset]

I think these moves are the first steps of him firing MM. Clearly there is a discipline issue within MM's locker room. Gute just cleared 3 on field and or off field issues up within the last week.

lol talk about wild speculation. For all we know McCarthy is the one that decided to release Whitehead. He is the head coach... we have no idea what is really going on.

 

[rmontro]

For all we know McCarthy is the one that decided to release Whitehead. He is the head coach... we have no idea what is really going on.

Possible. All these little signs that the Packers lack discipline will sink McCarthy's job faster than anything. I'm surprised they released Whitehead though, since we're so thin at safety, and it doesn't seem like what he did was all that bad. Still stupid though.

How's this for wild speculation: Since Gute can't fire McCarthy directly, he's sabotaging him by depeleting the team of safetys.
Or maybe he's tanking the team to get better draft picks in the offseason. \wild speculation off.

Speaking of tanking, if Gruden is trying to tear down and rebuild the Raiders from scratch, why did he sign Jordy?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I think this had more to do with his performance than his lack of discipline. Tony Brown got ejected for a way worse taunting penalty and he is still around. I like that they have kept a roster spot open for Bruce Irvin!!!

Brown got penalized for taunting but wasn't ejected.

How's this for wild speculation: Since Gute can't fire McCarthy directly, he's sabotaging him by depeleting the team of safetys.
Or maybe he's tanking the team to get better draft picks in the offseason. \wild speculation off.

If that would be the case Gutekunst should be fired immediately.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Redmond was once considered a pretty talented cornerback but because of injuries he hasn't played a single snap in the league since being drafted in the third round in 2016.

According to PFF overall Campbell has been an average safety over his career but has excelled in tackling.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

According to PFF overall Campbell has been an average safety over his career but has excelled in tackling.

That could be a refreshing change coming from the Safety position.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

https://www.packersnews.com/story/s...s-moved-safety-jermaine-whitehead/1905501002/

A source said Whitehead’s blunder wasn’t the sole reason he was let go, but undoubtedly it hastened the decision. Had it been done just to send a message, then Gutekunst would have also cut tight end Robert Tonyan, who committed an equally egregious roughing-the-punter penalty.

According to a personnel director with another NFL team, Campbell is more of a traditional safety than the 5-11, 195-pound Whitehead, who was used more in man-to-man coverage and rarely lined up deep. If Brice can play, Campbell could start alongside him, thereby allowing Tramon Williams to return to cornerback.

Releasing Whitehead should open the door for the team's last two second-round picks, safety Josh Jones and cornerback Josh Jackson, to play more, particularly in the nickel linebacker position. The 6-2, 220-pound Jones isn’t as assignment-sure as Whitehead but he’s faster, bigger and more physical, and Jackson is better in coverage.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

According to a personnel director with another NFL team, Campbell is more of a traditional safety than the 5-11, 195-pound Whitehead, who was used more in man-to-man coverage and rarely lined up deep. If Brice can play, Campbell could start alongside him, thereby allowing Tramon Williams to return to cornerback.

I highly doubt the Packers will move Williams back to cornerback to start Campbell at safety after less than a week with the team.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I highly doubt the Packers will move Williams back to cornerback to start Campbell at safety after less than a week with the team.

Agreed. We're likely in for more Breeland, for better or worse.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Campbell has played in Pettine's system with the Jets so he's familiar. Given the injuries, he may have to. This is the NFL and he's a professional, he should be ready at a moment's notice to play.

Plus at the end of the day, Campbell is a Safety; whether's it's single-high, Tampa 2, Strong personnel, QB/TE Spy, Cover 4, man-bait-switch, he should be proficient in those roles. The only thing Campbell really needs to learn are the audibles, everything else Blake or Tramon can tell him in the huddle.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Agreed. We're likely in for more Breeland, for better or worse.

As mentioned in another thread I fully expect Breeland to improve going forward.

 

[rodell330]

Well Whitehead being ejected did ruin the scheme Pettine had planned for the defense against the Patsies offense. They were scrambling after that...then guys started getting hurt which made it worse. No excuse for them giving up big plays but him being ejected didn’t help.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Campbell has played in Pettine's system with the Jets so he's familiar. Given the injuries, he may have to. This is the NFL and he's a professional, he should be ready at a moment's notice to play.

Campbell played under Pettine in Cleveland when he was on the field for a total of only 102 snaps during his rookie season in 2015. It's realistic to expect that it will take some time for him to get used to the Packers scheme.

He might be forced to play Sunday vs. the Dolphins though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

A good mix of youth and experience in that defensive backfield now. Can't say that Whitt doesn't have the bodies and talent to work with in the Secondary. The only question will be, can he get them all to play at a high level? Not a fan of suddenly having CB's playing safety, but I guess you deal with what you have. Nice to see Gute go out and sign guys midseason with some experience, not just guys who have spent their NFL careers on Practice Squads.

 

[GBkrzygrl]

We are at the state if someone makes a bad play they are cut the next day.

https://www.packers.com/news/packers-place-wr-geronimo-allison-on-ir-release-s-whitehead?campaign=sf201696829_FB_C-Content-GB_CT-Roster Moves-GB_sf201696829&sf201696829=1&fbclid=IwAR2BhAFbFJu_ELYg2Qs7g4bb5oThZNb91M8yzeLXJQLQPFd8juMWCCgyXZs

So.. whos the next safety now?

Wow. That surprised me. I thought that Whitehead did a fair job. I thought the ejection was over the top and am surprised that they are showing no patience for mistakes....may be that's a good thing.

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

we have no idea what is really going on.

Yeah, and that's this whole season

 

[PackAttack12]

What this tells me is that McCarthy better hope he gets this team to the playoffs and makes a little noise. HHCD getting the ax, then Montgomery for the blunder, and now Whitehead. Seems to me that Gutekunst is establishing a pattern of behavior, detailing what is not going to be acceptable moving forward.

A subtle way of telling McCarthy that all of this boneheadedness (yes I just made up a word) is something that will not be tolerated moving forward. If it does not improve, I feel that it will be deemed a coaching issue.

 

[swhitset]

What this tells me is that McCarthy better hope he gets this team to the playoffs and makes a little noise. HHCD getting the ax, then Montgomery for the blunder, and now Whitehead. Seems to me that Gutekunst is establishing a pattern of behavior, detailing what is not going to be acceptable moving forward.

A subtle way of telling McCarthy that all of this boneheadedness (yes I just made up a word) is something that will not be tolerated moving forward. If it does not improve, I feel that it will be deemed a coaching issue.

McCarthy may well be on the hot seat, but as I said above I think there is an equal chance that it is McCarthy doing exactly what you are claiming he is failing at... instilling discipline. McCarthy could very well be the person behind these decisions.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

McCarthy may well be on the hot seat, but as I said above I think there is an equal chance that it is McCarthy doing exactly what you are claiming he is failing at... instilling discipline. McCarthy could very well be the person behind these decisions.

Spot on. I really don't think this is just Gute saying "I don't care Mike, I'm cutting these guys whether you want me to or not." Makes a lot more sense that a coach is pulling the trigger on players he and his coaches have decided they can't work with anymore or need.

 

[Mondio]

considering the current "hierarchy" in the Packers Front office with Gute, MM, MM and Ball, I think it's more likely the majority, including the coaches have said, we don't need these guys, rather than someone made a unilateral decision based on a head slap.

 

[PackAttack12]

McCarthy may well be on the hot seat, but as I said above I think there is an equal chance that it is McCarthy doing exactly what you are claiming he is failing at... instilling discipline. McCarthy could very well be the person behind these decisions.

Spot on. I really don't think this is just Gute saying "I don't care Mike, I'm cutting these guys whether you want me to or not." Makes a lot more sense that a coach is pulling the trigger on players he and his coaches have decided they can't work with anymore or need.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I just don't recall situations in the past where McCarthy has ruled with an iron fist to the degree that things are being dealt with currently.

You guys think he's suddenly adopted this newfound system of dealing with problem players?

Besides Bostick. And I mean, someone had to lose their job that day. That was obvious.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Spot on. I really don't think this is just Gute saying "I don't care Mike, I'm cutting these guys whether you want me to or not." Makes a lot more sense that a coach is pulling the trigger on players he and his coaches have decided they can't work with anymore or need.

I agree that the decisions to trade Montgomery and Clinton-Dix as well as to release Whitehead were mutual decisions by Gutekunst and McCarthy.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

As mentioned in another thread I fully expect Breeland to improve going forward.

Let's hope so, they're going to need him.

If he falters, besides the two rookie draft picks, GB is down to Tony Brown and Will Redmond (assuming Tramon Williams remains at safety). Not an ideal scenario.

 

[swhitset]

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I just don't recall situations in the past where McCarthy has ruled with an iron fist to the degree that things are being dealt with currently.

You guys think he's suddenly adopted this newfound system of dealing with problem players?

Besides Bostick. And I mean, someone had to lose their job that day. That was obvious.

Well in the past McCarthy had to answer to Thompson... he doesn’t answer to Gute.... In fact everyone in this forum seems to think that McCarthy and Gute must have some adversarial relationship, when in fact they may be working together much more closely than McCarthy and Thompson ever did... precisely due to their equal footing in the organization.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If he falters, besides the two rookie draft picks, GB is down to Tony Brown and Will Redmond (assuming Tramon Williams remains at safety). Not an ideal scenario.

The Packers have King on the roster as well, hopefully he will be healthy for this week's game.