Which Two Wide Outs do we want?

[Heyjoe4]

My fear with Watson is I think 1st round is too early and I think he will be gone by the time GB picks in the 2nd round.

Yeah, depending on who is available at #22, Gluten may want to trade back and get some extra picks, and better value.

 

[Big L]

If I were in charge of the draft for the Packers, I would be thinking (regarding Wr) realistically the only one of the so called top tier guys at 22 may be Burks. I would be mildly surprised if any of the others are there. So now the question is, if that’s the case do we take him or do we go with someone else we have a higher grade on and let it play out until 28. At which point we grab someone we like or move back a bit if we have similar grades on 3 or 4 guys.

The next question is, who do we really want, is it one, two or three guys we would be happy to select? Are we willing to move up and how high? It’s very possible 3 of these guys could go from like 15-20. My guess is 2 will be gone by 15 - most likely a combination of Wilson, London, Olave and Williams (really obvious I know). So if we moved up to 16 my feeling would be that we would have our choice of Burks, and two of the other 4. Do we want to do this? I think Williams has the highest upside, and indications are he will be ready earlier rather then later. I’m not giving up a second to move up 6 spots.

What we don’t know is if the Packers absolutely love any of these WRs, because I don’t think they make a move up out of desperation. If they were desperate, something regarding the WRs position would have already been done in my opinion. I know what my dream scenario regarding WR would be - either Williams or Olave at 22 and Pickens at 28

Do not be surprised if a certain Boilermaker is the pick if available at 22

 

[McKnowledge]

I really hope GB take Burks at #22 and uses the #28 on Christian Watson.

Both offer size and game speed.

Also both offer different sets of skills that will complement the offense.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I really hope GB take Burks at #22 and uses the #28 on Christian Watson.

Both offer size and game speed.

Also both offer different sets of skills that will complement the offense.

I'd be happy if the first round fell this way. I'd also be happy if they picked an iDL in round 1 and a WR. Just depends on who is available.

 

[Schultz]

My perfect round 1 is Karlaftis at 22 and Hill at 28. I feel Karlaftis can give depth at 2 spots. The same with Hill. That is why they are my wish list. Yes this will run the risk of a repeat of 2020 as far as WRs go. Imperative to get 2 of them on day 2 plus BPA at Edge, OL or ILB. That is a lot of needs filled and can allow them to follow their board on Day 3 and not reach for needs.

 

[Heyjoe4]

My perfect round 1 is Karlaftis at 22 and Hill at 28. I feel Karlaftis can give depth at 2 spots. The same with Hill. That is why they are my wish list. Yes this will run the risk of a repeat of 2020 as far as WRs go. Imperative to get 2 of them on day 2 plus BPA at Edge, OL or ILB. That is a lot of needs filled and can allow them to follow their board on Day 3 and not reach for needs.

I agree that if Karlaftis or another premium edge or iDL guy is available at #22 the Packers should grab him. I wouldn't leave round 1 without a WR, unless the remaining guys all grade out the same and they can wait until round 2. Drafting WRs, even round 1 guys, is a crapshoot, moreso than DL or OL in my opinion.

Getting a guy like Karlaftis improves the DL. Kenny Clark is great but he gets almost no help. That's gotta change. It also allows for Smith and Gary to get some snaps off during the game.

Good news is the Packers have those extra picks from the Adams' trade. While Adams can't be replaced, the Packers may be better off in the long run if some of these younger draft picks pan out. I'd rather Rodgers had three above average targets than just one can't-miss guy. And Adams is pushing 30 y/o now, although I expect he will be among the top receivers for years to come.

 

[Pugger]

I understand Jameson Williams having amazing speed and ability and I don't doubt that he can be another J'marr Chase but he may not be in a camp until late if at all. I don't think we need somebody coming off an ACL injury. The Packers need someone with great talent that can be a number 1 or 2 receiver right away. It is so crazy the wide range of opinion on how long it takes to come off an ACL injury. Some writers are questioning if Tonyan can be ready for the start of training camp and he hurt his knee a couple months before Williams did. Then you have the Adrian Peterson who was playing running back at a very high level in 10 months. Baktiari couldn't make it back to play in a playoff game over 12 months later. Williams got injured in the National Championship game January 10. It realistically could be October easily before he is 100%. The Packers need someone who can be ready to go at the rookie camp right away! I believe Jahan Dotson is not who we want either. The Packers have not picked a receiver that small in a really long time. Doing so in the first round makes no sense at all. He is 5'11'' 184 and has small 9.5" hands. That's a big NO THANKS from me. NextGen stats rates him 6.25 will eventually be an average starter. Not what we need. Burks, Pickens, Watson all have size and the speed and great hands. DTP's Daniel Parlegreco rates Burks as the number one WR. PFF says his drop rate is 7.4%. The guy with the lowest drop rate is George Pickens at 2.1% and Skyy Moore is second at 3.3%. That means that those guys only drop two or three passes out of every 100 that are thrown to them. Christian Watson is at 12.7% so, even with his size and athletic ability that worries me a little. I really like Alec Pierce, Jalen Tolbert, and Bo Melton and even John Metchie. My draft book also says Dotson would be best at slot receiver.
So unless Olave, London, or Wilson drop to 22 I would love getting Burks at 22. If all of them are gone by then I would love to see the Packers move back just a little ways and pick up another pick. Early to 53 I would rate the receivers (fit for Packers) George Pickens, John Metchie, Skyy Moore, Alec Pierce, Jalen Tolbert, Bo Melton, Christian Watson. That's my opinion from tape, DTP's draft book, and NFL.com and reading lots of articles.

I know what you are saying but if Williams wasn't hurt he'd be a top 15 pick easily. Man, if he were to fall to #22 or #28 it would tempting as hell to take a chance here.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'll be fine with a WR group of:

Watkins
Lazard
Cobb
Burks
Pickens
Rodgers

 

[OldSchool101]

If I were in charge of the draft for the Packers, I would be thinking (regarding Wr) realistically the only one of the so called top tier guys at 22 may be Burks. I would be mildly surprised if any of the others are there. So now the question is, if that’s the case do we take him or do we go with someone else we have a higher grade on and let it play out until 28. At which point we grab someone we like or move back a bit if we have similar grades on 3 or 4 guys.

The next question is, who do we really want, is it one, two or three guys we would be happy to select? Are we willing to move up and how high? It’s very possible 3 of these guys could go from like 15-20. My guess is 2 will be gone by 15 -

At first I was going to mention taking that higher grade player and using #28 in a trade up.
However almost every team around us has WR in their top 3-4 needs so that would be risky and I doubt Dallas of Arizona want to give us a top WR choice without paying dearly.

One option would be to trade up from #28 to #21 with NE and then hit #21-#22 back to back.
We’d likely have to give up our #92 and swap our 5th for their 6th rounder
Another option would be to solidify the Receiver and trade up to 25-26 range if Arizona or Dallas didn’t pick that particular player.

 

[Big L]

I know what you are saying but if Williams wasn't hurt he'd be a top 15 pick easily. Man, if he were to fall to #22 or #28 it would tempting as hell to take a chance here.

He would be top ten for sure - no doubt

 

[Big L]

My perfect round 1 is Karlaftis at 22 and Hill at 28. I feel Karlaftis can give depth at 2 spots. The same with Hill. That is why they are my wish list. Yes this will run the risk of a repeat of 2020 as far as WRs go. Imperative to get 2 of them on day 2 plus BPA at Edge, OL or ILB. That is a lot of needs filled and can allow them to follow their board on Day 3 and not reach for needs.

Mine would be the big K at 22 and Pickens or Watkins at 28

 

[PikeBadger]

My perfect round 1 is Karlaftis at 22 and Hill at 28. I feel Karlaftis can give depth at 2 spots. The same with Hill. That is why they are my wish list. Yes this will run the risk of a repeat of 2020 as far as WRs go. Imperative to get 2 of them on day 2 plus BPA at Edge, OL or ILB. That is a lot of needs filled and can allow them to follow their board on Day 3 and not reach for needs.

I'm thinking we need a ball hawking deep safety taken somewhere in this draft. I like both Brisker and Hill. I'm sure there are others that I'm unaware of.

 

[tynimiller]

I'm thinking we need a ball hawking deep safety taken somewhere in this draft. I like both Brisker and Hill. I'm sure there are others that I'm unaware of.

For a non day 1 or second rounder which both those are (also fans), I really love Dane Belton out of Iowa. I’d whole heartedly support using a 4th and even our third depending on where the other first four picks fell for us

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

At first I was going to mention taking that higher grade player and using #28 in a trade up.
However almost every team around us has WR in their top 3-4 needs so that would be risky and I doubt Dallas of Arizona want to give us a top WR choice without paying dearly.

One option would be to trade up from #28 to #21 with NE and then hit #21-#22 back to back.
We’d likely have to give up our #92 and swap our 5th for their 6th rounder
Another option would be to solidify the Receiver and trade up to 25-26 range of Arizona or Dallas didn’t pick that particular player.

The Packers need to leave round #1 with a blue chip WR. If they have to trade up to 13 or 14 to get the 2nd WR off the board (I think Wilson goes top 10) then do it. Both the Eagles and Saints each have 2 picks (#'s 15, 16, 18 and 19), I think 2 WR's will come off the board in those 4 picks. With the Steelers at 20 and the Pats at 21, one more WR could go. That would leave the Packers with potentially the 5th WR in round #1.

While I like the signing of Watkins, that doesn't even come close to fixing the position for 2022 and even more important, beyond. If they wait around for a WR to fall to them at #53, there will be plenty there, but I don't think any instant starters.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

For a non day 1 or second rounder which both those are (also fans), I really love Dane Belton out of Iowa. I’d whole heartedly support using a 4th and even our third depending on where the other first four picks fell for us

Agree. I like Hill, but I would be a bit disappointed if they used a first rounder on him. Amos and Savage are the starters for 2022, but there may be a need in 2023 to replace one or both. The Packers haven't exercised the 5th year option on Savage yet and at $7.9M, not sure if they will. Definitely going to need to address S at some point in this draft, but I hope mid to late rounds.

 

[gopkrs]

The Packers need to leave round #1 with a blue chip WR. If they have to trade up to 13 or 14 to get the 2nd WR off the board (I think Wilson goes top 10) then do it. Both the Eagles and Saints each have 2 picks (#'s 15, 16, 18 and 19), I think 2 WR's will come off the board in those 4 picks. With the Steelers at 20 and the Pats at 21, one more WR could go. That would leave the Packers with potentially the 5th WR in round #1.

I could live with the 5th W/O in this draft.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I'm thinking we need a ball hawking deep safety taken somewhere in this draft. I like both Brisker and Hill. I'm sure there are others that I'm unaware of.

Agreed. Amos and Savage are decent cover safeties, but GB doesn't have a safety who can credibly play the run or blitz. They need a guy like that. Someone who can make a QB nervous.

But they have so many needs..... If a good safety slides into round 3, maybe late round 2, they might pick him. I just don't see it happening early in a draft well stocked with WRs and DL, probably GB's top two needs and just before OL/TE. I don't see a safety being picked until later rounds.

And Amos and Savage are good enough for what they do. A beast at S would be gift.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Agree. I like Hill, but I would be a bit disappointed if they used a first rounder on him. Amos and Savage are the starters for 2022, but there may be a need in 2023 to replace one or both. The Packers haven't exercised the 5th year option on Savage yet and at $7.9M, not sure if they will. Definitely going to need to address S at some point in this draft, but I hope mid to late rounds.

Yeah Poker - I think the order of needs is WR/DL, OL/TE, and then S and then CB. At least they have 11 picks and can maybe work something out. A lot depends on how the draft falls, always a mystery.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I could live with the 5th W/O in this draft.

I could too, but would prefer the #1 or #2 . We have no clude where these guys rank on Gute's board. Maybe the Packers only have 4 WR's as worth a first round pick. If those 4 are off the board, they will have to decide how to go about drafting 1 or 2 WR's from that second tier. I know some like Dotson here, but I wouldn't be excited about him being a #22 or even a #28 pick. However, for all I know, he is the Packers #1 target,

 

[tynimiller]

Agree. I like Hill, but I would be a bit disappointed if they used a first rounder on him. Amos and Savage are the starters for 2022, but there may be a need in 2023 to replace one or both. The Packers haven't exercised the 5th year option on Savage yet and at $7.9M, not sure if they will. Definitely going to need to address S at some point in this draft, but I hope mid to late rounds.

Sorry strongly disagree Hill is a bonafide first round worthy pick IMO.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yeah Poker - I think the order of needs is WR/DL, OL/TE, and then S and then CB. At least they have 11 picks and can maybe work something out. A lot depends on how the draft falls, always a mystery.

I'm not as worried about iDL as much as I was before they signed Reed. Now if one of the top 2 guys is sitting there at #28 and they already grabbed a WR, might be a good pick. Otherwise, the draft has a lot of iDL's rated pretty high in the mid rounds. Even though I think the Packers are in good shape at OLB and CB, I might love it if they grab a blue chipper at one of those 2 positions, that unexpectedly falls to them.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Sorry strongly disagree Hill is a bonafide first round worthy pick IMO.

I didn't say that he wasn't. I said I would be disappointed if the Packers drafted him in the first. They have 2 pretty good safeties in Amos and Savage, Hill would be a luxury pick, that I think would be better spent on a more expensive position to find good players at.

 

[tynimiller]

I'm not as worried about iDL as much as I was before they signed Reed. Now if one of the top 2 guys is sitting there at #28 and they already grabbed a WR, might be a good pick. Otherwise, the draft has a lot of iDL's rated pretty high in the mid rounds. Even though I think the Packers are in good shape at OLB and CB, I might love it if they grab a blue chipper at one of those 2 positions, that unexpectedly falls to them.

Reed and Lowry both gone beyond 2022. There is serious need to at minimum find a Keke role replacement of the future if not a Lowry role replacement. Given the contracts I’d love a DL before close or Day 2 and then a circle back in the 7th on like a Kurt Hinish, Eric Johnson or light DE like Kingsley Jonathan.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I'm not as worried about iDL as much as I was before they signed Reed. Now if one of the top 2 guys is sitting there at #28 and they already grabbed a WR, might be a good pick. Otherwise, the draft has a lot of iDL's rated pretty high in the mid rounds. Even though I think the Packers are in good shape at OLB and CB, I might love it if they grab a blue chipper at one of those 2 positions, that unexpectedly falls to them.

Yeah picking up Jarran Reed and now Sammy Watkins takes some pressure off who and where they select someone in the draft. In other words, they can probably take BPA early even if it's not a WR or DL. Not sure who that could be, but the point is they have flexibility.

Even though Reed and Watkins are nowhere near the top of their respective positions, they are veterans and will have a lower learning curve compared to a rookie. I don't know which DLs are still available in FA, but they could add another WR like Julio Jones on a one year deal - giving the rookies a little more breathing room.

 

[tynimiller]

Watkins to me makes me willing to tighten up more to BPA.

As merely an example before the Watkins pick up I was like a ten player range, if at my pick at 22 the top WR was within eight picks on the board of those left I’m going to have a hard time not picking him over the other seven ahead.

Watkins tightens that down to maybe seven or six. I hate it people advocating for solely a WR mentality because it really could cause you to not pick the best prospect and in three years have folks finally not pissing and moaning about TJ Watt anymore because they have another person that is a STUD that we could have picked…like if Jermaine Johnson falls or Karlaftis…

WR is still our top need and Watkins didn’t change that, he merely turned the severity dial a tick or two down.