Where Will Packers New Management Structure Take Us?

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

Wow, this is interesting stuff on what's legal or not,

I copy audio music off of u-tube to put on my I-pod, will I get spanked???

 

[OldSchool101]

My first impression was Murphy is trying to save his own skin after reading that bit about the concern of going sub .500 three years running. That article you posted above seemed to elude to that. Nobody is immune to the axe falling anymore.
Maybe that’s not a bad thing, having the execs roaming around throughout the facilities more sets a tone that things won’t be so nonchalant going forward.

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

Makes me wonder how other teams handle who reports to who.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I copy audio music off of u-tube to put on my I-pod, will I get spanked???

Well that has been a question debated and brought to court several times over the years, I have no answer for you, but I would say

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/10/10/youtube-to-mp3-sites-illegal/

As far as you getting spanked, I think there are professional **********'s that do those kinds of things. Might want to email Bob Kraft?

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

Well that has been a question debated and brought to court several times over the years, I have no answer for you, but I would say

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/10/10/youtube-to-mp3-sites-illegal/

As far as you getting spanked, I think there are professional **********'s that do those kinds of things. Might want to email Bob Kraft?

And I'll get 3 hots and a cot

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

As far as you getting spanked, I think there are professional **********'s that do those kinds of things. Might want to email Bob Kraft?

Now That's funny stuff

 

[azrsx05]

I think Murphy is currently on the hot seat. If the Packers underperform this season. He's the remaining factor. I think he's done a great job focusing on the non football things, such as adding seats to the stadium, all the new things being added around Lambeau, and just community involvement. I think that's where he's better suited for and should leave football operations to the GM.

 

[XPack]

As far as you getting spanked, I think there are professional **********'s that do those kinds of things. Might want to email Bob Kraft?

Not unless you want cheap Chinese rip-off spankings. Choose only American spankings, #MAGA!

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[gbgary]

I think Murphy is currently on the hot seat. If the Packers underperform this season. He's the remaining factor. I think he's done a great job focusing on the non football things, such as adding seats to the stadium, all the new things being added around Lambeau, and just community involvement. I think that's where he's better suited for and should leave football operations to the GM.

we have no idea what he's better suited to. all we know is him on the business side. he might be great overseeing what the others do. all three (ball/gute/mlf) have different jobs and so there shouldn't be much, if any, overlap/conflict. murphy should be able to iron out those things that pop up. some blame murphy for not seeing what was happening to thompson and acting sooner. now some are saying murphy's interfering. you can't have it both ways. his eyes being on things is way better than not and having things fall apart again. that, and with gute and mlf being noobs at their jobs, it couldn't hurt having murphy to bounce stuff off of when needed.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I think Murphy is currently on the hot seat. If the Packers underperform this season. He's the remaining factor. I think he's done a great job focusing on the non football things, such as adding seats to the stadium, all the new things being added around Lambeau, and just community involvement. I think that's where he's better suited for and should leave football operations to the GM.

I gave you an "agree" for the hot seat comment and Murphy's performance as a business manager.

The book is open on his accumen as the uber-GM, no less than Gutekunst as a GM or LaFleur as a head coach. These guys have one or zero years of track record in these roles.

One thing is certain: Murphy hired Gutekunst, he implemented this reporting scheme with GM, HC and the capologist/contract guy reporting to him, he fired McCarthy in-season and hired LaFleur. As for the FA signings, you can bet he signed off on the budget if not the specific players.

The only question I would have is whether Murphy moving down to uber-GM was a response to "I've got to fix this" vs. "You've got to fix this." Whether one or the other determines the temperature of the seat he's sitting in. He does seem to be having fun with it, though.

 

[swhitset]

Agree, I get the sense that Silverstein and some others are just trying to lay the groundwork, in the event of the proverbial "I told you so moment" happening.

One could go so far as to say they are attempting to “create the news”....

 

[Mondio]

I wouldn't put any of them remotely close to a hot seat.

 

[gbgary]

One could go so far as to say they are attempting to “create the news”....

if one would go so far as to say that that person would be an idgit to do so. silverstein is super credible and one of the best in the business. silverstein said he's been covering the Packers for 30 years and very seldom uses unnamed sources but he had to in this case to protect jobs and to keep sources from being blackballed in the league. his editor knows all the sources and gave the ok to go ahead with the article. the Packers and everyone mentioned in the article had a chance to add their piece to the article. if he was a hatchet-job reporter he wouldn't be allowed in the bldg and the Packers are well known to iced-out reporters they didn't like.

 

[swhitset]

if one would go so far as to say that that person would be an idgit to do so. silverstein is super credible and one of the best in the business. silverstein said he's been covering the Packers for 30 years and very seldom uses unnamed sources but he had to in this case to protect jobs and to keep sources from being blackballed in the league. his editor knows all the sources and gave the ok to go ahead with the article. the Packers and everyone mentioned in the article had a chance to add their piece to the article. if he was a hatchet-job reporter he wouldn't be allowed in the bldg and the Packers are well known to iced-out reporters they didn't like.

I think you may have missed the point. I was not implying that any facts were incorrect.. it is about the interpretation... and whether there is really anything truly newsworthy therein.

 

[gbgary]

I think you may have missed the point. I was not implying that any facts were incorrect.. it is about the interpretation... and whether there is really anything truly newsworthy therein.

it most certainly is news worthy with all that's happened in the last two years, the years leading up to restructure, and the most recent thing being thompson's induction in the Packers hof. the behind the scenes stuff is fascinating. can't wait for the book...although i may be dead when it comes out as a lot these folks are young. lol

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I wouldn't put any of them remotely close to a hot seat.

Up until last year, Murphy appeared to mainly just be involved on the business end of the Franchise, which he did some great things. That involvement and success gave him enough distance from the failures on the Football side of things. That has all changed, at least in the public eye. So while the seat currently might not be hot, I think if the Packers don't improve over the next 2 years, Murphy has put himself squarely in the cross hairs of giving the executive committee no choice but to pull the trigger.

 

[Mondio]

outside of a monumental collapse, they have at least 2 years before any seats get hot. I think this team was quickly put back on track in year 1 and though nobody has done anything this year, I like what this season has brought us thus far in FA and the draft. I can't see any reason anybody would have a hot seat at this point.

 

[gopkrs]

I think you may have missed the point. I was not implying that any facts were incorrect.. it is about the interpretation... and whether there is really anything truly newsworthy therein.

I guess I like seeing how it works from the inside. Did not read the article so don't know if it was inflammatory or not. I would say that Ball seems the odd man in the equation. That is if he does much more than figuring out the best way to deal with the cap. But I don't know anything about him except some on this forum had him playing a part in getting rid of Hyde and Hayward. Actually Murphy has an unusual role also (it seems to me) in that he is kind of in charge of everything. I guess OK as long as he does it well and doesn't micromanage.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I guess I like seeing how it works from the inside. Did not read the article so don't know if it was inflammatory or not. I would say that Ball seems the odd man in the equation. That is if he does much more than figuring out the best way to deal with the cap. But I don't know anything about him except some on this forum had him playing a part in getting rid of Hyde and Hayward. Actually Murphy has an unusual role also (it seems to me) in that he is kind of in charge of everything. I guess OK as long as he does it well and doesn't micromanage.

Just my take on the article and other things I have read, whether they are all true or not, when TT was in charge, he was fully in charge, including approval of what Russ Ball did. With TT's departure, Ball has been given more autonomy with what he does, something McCarthy fought against him having, as well as fought against Ball being named GM, saying he would leave if that happened.

Whether Ball's new role is good or bad, I guess we will wait and see. Russ Ball isn't just the bean counter that I had pictured him to be, this is a guy who probably desires to be an NFL GM at some point in his career. Not having that opportunity with the Packers, might be a reason to keep a close eye on "The Ball".

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[Mondio]

I guess I like seeing how it works from the inside. Did not read the article so don't know if it was inflammatory or not. I would say that Ball seems the odd man in the equation. That is if he does much more than figuring out the best way to deal with the cap. But I don't know anything about him except some on this forum had him playing a part in getting rid of Hyde and Hayward. Actually Murphy has an unusual role also (it seems to me) in that he is kind of in charge of everything. I guess OK as long as he does it well and doesn't micromanage.

But getting rid of Hyde and Hayward were not seen as bad decisions at the time. Everyone needs to keep context in mind when evaluating. Hyde was a hybrid corner and what? 4th? 5th on the depth chart there? I liked him, he's a football player. he's the type of guy you put all over the field and just get good football plays. But don't kid yourself, he was limited. And Burnett had just been signed to a good extension, the investment was made and Ha Ha didn't punk out yet and was an ascending young cheap player coming off a pro bowl season. You don't pay starter money to your 3rd Safety and 4th or 5th DB option. you take your compensatory pick and move on. And outside of starting out like a wildman with a bunch of INT's Hyde hasn't seem to make much noise beyond that fast start in the 2 seasons he's been gone. If he wasn't a former packer would anyone know who he was? he's no Chancellor, or ET, or Berry, Harrison Smith, Collins etc. he had a great half of season his first year away and has been fairly "normal" since. Maybe it changes, maybe it doesn't, but he was still the 3rd best on our team at the time at the position. and THEN Ha Ha punked out and injuries caught up with Burnett.

and I was here when Hayward was not retained. Nobody thought it was a mistake then. Shields, Rollins and Randall had everyone excited for the future. Then Rollins spent the next 2 seasons injured and not playing, Shields had his Packer career ended by concussions for a season and a half while on the roster and Randall turned into a talented headcase. But nobody was complaining at the time when Hayward was let go either. Why hold it against Ball now?

 

[HardRightEdge]

outside of a monumental collapse, they have at least 2 years before any seats get hot.

That assessment makes some seats pretty warm. Another losing season in 2019 would bring the temperature up.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Let them do their jobs. Let Gute be the GM, let LaFluer be the HC, and allow them to carry out their duties as such. No more interference from the president, suggesting that our coach retains certain DCs or having some goofy structure which makes both the HC and GM answer directly to the president. Do that, and we will be a good franchise.

 

[OldSchool101]

That assessment makes some seats pretty warm. Another losing season in 2019 would bring the temperature up.

Particularly if we regressed record wise.

Again, I believe nobody is immune right now. Taking on the “overlord” position is being on standby to walk the plank or man the helm. You’ll either get all the accolades or suffer all of the blame. The media scrutiny is already happening and we having even suited up yet. All of the anti-Packers roaches are beginning to come out of the woodwork.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Particularly if we regressed record wise.

Again, I believe nobody is immune right now. Taking on the “overlord” position is being on standby to walk the plank or man the helm. You’ll either get all the accolades or suffer all of the blame. The media scrutiny is already happening and we having even suited up yet. All of the anti-Packers roaches are beginning to come out of the woodwork.

Given the resources applied to the defense this offseason, I'd say we better be able to say a couple of times, "the defense brought that one home."

 

[Mondio]

LaFleur is going to be given at least 2 seasons to prove he can or can't coach. Murphy hired Gute, who by most accounts has done at least a good job thus far in re-tooling this roster with what was given him. Unless you think he's just whiffed on the GM and is interjecting in every bad personnel move, I don't get why anyone thinks him or anyone else has a warm seat.