What Happened in Green Bay - Bleacher Report

[Do7]

dunne's article, and his sources, pointed blame at everyone. do you not believe the O had grown stagnant and predictable? do you not believe thompson's failing health and philosophy lead to a talent drain? rodgers himself, in that response, didn't deny they disagreed about stuff. he didn't dispute that he freezes-out players, holds grudges, etc.. i've never read anything that said the Packers worried about his leadership. the dunne article mentioned the team losing vocal leaders (because of thompson) and others haven't stepped up. players on good terms with rodgers have said he's not a vocal guy. he disputes the phone call characterization. that's fair. until dunne's source goes on record we'll never know for sure (company-line and all). so he disputes a few things but didn't refute things either...a typical "a" said/"b" said.

While he didn't dispute that he freezes out players, hold grudges, and whatnot he neither confirmed he did those things either.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

So like 20 players have stood up for Rodgers and McCarthy, but the media thinks Finley and Jennings voice means more than those 20 players combined. I'm sure Tyler Dunne won't write an article on those other 20 guys.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

It's been reported by several sources that the Packers dispute any contentious nature of the phone call implied by Dunne. Not that they are saying the rest of the article is true, but the reports are they did say that characterization of the call was false.

Basically the Packers have said that Dunne is full of sh$t that Murphy told Rodgers "Don't be the problem"

I certainly think it'd be funny if Dunne had a defamation lawsuit rained down on his head, but I don't think Murphy and company are going to waste their time with that. I'd probably just issue a press release telling the GBPG and Milwaukee JS that Dunne decided to test his fake news apparatus to get click bait.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

So like 20 players have stood up for Rodgers and McCarthy, but the media thinks Finley and Jennings voice means more than those 20 players combined. I'm sure Tyler Dunne won't write an article on those other 20 guys.

Well thank god for Twitter so they can go around his shtty articles.

 

[rmontro]

the house isn't totally clean. there's a part of the old triangle that's now part of the new triangle. his acceptance and openness is critical.

What's he going to do, sabotage the rest of his career by standing against the new coach? I would think he would want to be on board, it's probably his last chance for another ring. Remember, Rodgers had permission to change McCarthy's plays. Let's at least give him the benefit of the doubt before we start blaming him for ******** up the team. The new coach barely has a day under his belt.

That said, I do hope that Rodgers takes some of this criticism to heart and maybe makes an attempt to be a little more positive as a teammate. Cowherd likes to compare him to Roethlisberger. Some former teammates have made critical remarks of Roethlisberger too. But Cowherd says that will just inspire him to do better, and expects good things from Pittsburgh this year (at least that's what he says lately, the guy changes his story every other day). I don't know why he doesn't extend the same sentiment toward Rodgers.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Nor should he want to with those bums! As has been nothing short of classy in regards to handling what these two clowns have said regarding him.

It's crazy, I once thought Favre heading to Minny would go down as the biggest act of treason putting him in the ratbag house for good here and effectively leaving his legacy here stained forever. But over the years as he started giving a little bit of props to AR and then ultimately got welcomed back in 2015 in our official jersey retiring ceremony, he gained a lot of respect back.

The way Jennings has become the mouthpiece for anti Green Bay talking heads and garbage articles like this, I really think he's done worse than what Favre did in 2009 and should have any exhibits ever considered for him removed from the Packer hall of fame. He has no place in there in my book.

 

[Do7]

What's he going to do, sabotage the rest of his career by standing against the new coach? I would think he would want to be on board, it's probably his last chance for another ring. Remember, Rodgers had permission to change McCarthy's plays. Let's at least give him the benefit of the doubt before we start blaming him for ******** up the team. The new coach barely has a day under his belt.

That said, I do hope that Rodgers takes some of this criticism to heart and maybe makes an attempt to be a little more positive as a teammate. Cowherd likes to compare him to Roethlisberger. Some former teammates have made critical remarks of Roethlisberger too. But Cowherd says that will just inspire him to do better, and expects good things from Pittsburgh this year (at least that's what he says lately, the guy changes his story every other day). I don't know why he doesn't extend the same sentiment toward Rodgers.

What's funny about Cowherd and what he said today regarding Antonio Brown making comments was that in divorces you're going to have one that's the bitter person that can't get over it and eventually unravel, and The Steelers made the right move getting rid of him. But what he doesn't realize the same case can be made regarding Jennings and his comments and The Packers clearly made the right decision getting rid of Jennings when they did and now he's the bitter individual, that's unraveling at every single chance.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

Listening to Aaron's interview now, his voice sounds different (higher, maybe a little nervous). I think it meant a lot to him to get that out.

 

[rmontro]

But what he doesn't realize the same case can be made regarding Jennings and his comments and The Packers clearly made the right decision getting rid of Jennings when they did and now he's the bitter individual, that's unraveling at every single chance.

I don't think Jennings was quite the toxic nutjob that AB apparently is, at least while he was still on the team. He seemed to become very embittered after the Packers didn't give him as much money as he wanted. He overestimated his own value. If Rodgers did tell the 49ers during a game that they should pick him up after the season (and I have no reason to think that isn't true), I don't blame Jennings for being upset about that. Rodgers could have just been joking, or maybe was trying to make a point in a blunt way, I don't know, but I don't blame Jennings for getting upset over that.

But definitely what Cowherd said about Roethlisberger can and should apply to Rodgers, but right now Cowherd seems so gleeful that Rodgers is getting criticized in the press, that's all he cares about.

 

[Do7]

I don't think Jennings was quite the toxic nutjob that AB apparently is, at least while he was still on the team. He seemed to become very embittered after the Packers didn't give him as much money as he wanted. He overestimated his own value. If Rodgers did tell the 49ers during a game that they should pick him up after the season (and I have no reason to think that isn't true), I don't blame Jennings for being upset about that. Rodgers could have just been joking, or maybe was trying to make a point in a blunt way, I don't know, but I don't blame Jennings for getting upset over that.

But definitely what Cowherd said about Roethlisberger can and should apply to Rodgers, but right now Cowherd seems so gleeful that Rodgers is getting criticized in the press, that's all he cares about.

What baffles me is why wouldn't Jennings go to Rodgers and ask him personally rather than listen to an opposing guy on the field? That's grade A high school stuff right there. Instead of going to the source, and asking Rodgers, Jennings decided to believe what was said. Even if Rodgers has said that, I'd asked and make sure what he meant at some point later, because my guess is that he was joking. Or even better yet, Rodgers had enough insight that he knew this was going to be Greg's last year and was actually trying to tell San Fran how good he was. Rodgers doesn't seem like the person to go out of his way and be mean to someone just for the sake of it. Something just doesn't add up.

But then again we should've known something was going on b/c of that...sister of his going off the way she did. I am trying to be nice regarding her, but I do not like talking about her, just as much as I don't like talking about Greg.

 

[C-Lee]

Godgers went off lol I love him so much.

 

[rmontro]

What baffles me is why wouldn't Jennings go to Rodgers and ask him personally rather than listen to an opposing guy on the field? That's grade A high school stuff right there. Instead of going to the source, and asking Rodgers, Jennings decided to believe what was said.

It was my understanding that Jennings heard him say it, that Rodgers said it right in front of him.

 

[bigbubbatd]

And Janis now weighs in telling people not to believe the article and what it says about him. But wait I am sure the unnamed sources know the situation better than Janis himself. I am sure the unnamed sources are more trustworthy. If people actually cared about the truth Dunne would be getting roasted everywhere for how many people are calling his article garbage. But that wouldn't get as many clicks.

https://twitter.com/jrjanis/status/1115417319872839680?s=19

 

[Do7]

It was my understanding that Jennings heard him say it, that Rodgers said it right in front of him.

Still I would've asked him. Especially if it bothered him.

 

[Do7]

And Janis now weighs in telling people not to believe the article and what it says about him. But wait I am sure the unnamed sources know the situation better than Janis himself. I am sure the unnamed sources are more trustworthy. If people actually cared about the truth Dunne would be getting roasted everywhere for how many people are calling his article garbage. But that wouldn't get as many clicks.

https://twitter.com/jrjanis/status/1115417319872839680?s=19

Ironically everything Janis just echoed everything I said regarding Rodgers being tough on people and whatnot. Told you so!

 

[Quientus]

You'd be hard pressed to find any serious, logical person out there who has even the slightest bit of knowledge about the first three years of Rodgers try to make the claim that McCarthy and the coaching staff didn't get the proper respect for developing Rodgers.

I have absolutely no idea where you're dreaming up the narrative that there are some that think McCarthy doesn't get credit for this, but am I surprised that you are, yet again, manufacturing an anti-Rodgers post? Not even in the slightest.

You were slightly entertaining at first. But your anti-Rodgers schtick has more than run its course.

https://www.stack.com/a/aaron-rodge...into-the-mechanics-that-make-nfls-best-passer

(...) Once he arrived in Green Bay, former Packers head coach Mike McCarthy and former Packers quarterback coach Tom Clements went to work on Rodgers' mechanics. Perhaps most importantly, they gradually helped him hold the ball lower in the pocket. Eventually, Rodgers became comfortable holding the ball between the middle of his chest and his throwing shoulder. This allowed him to better recruit his lower half into throws, increasing his rotational power and making his delivery much more fluid. If you ask Rodgers about his mechanics today, he's quick to point out how vital a role his lower half plays. (...)

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The Packers have not dignified much of what Dunne wrote with a response, but did say that the contents of the phone call was nothing but positive.

I'm not sure Aaron will waste his time commenting on Dunne, but I am sure he would echo the complete positive nature of the phone call if he did choose to comment on it if asked.

That's a reasonable response and way to look at it.

That's fine, so long as they get the boatload of the blame for how ineffective they've proven to be in spite of Rodgers covering their sorry tails.

Don't get me wrong, the front office has allowed the roster lacking overall talent with Rodgers covering up for it in the past but that doesn't mean he should be involved in personnel decisions by any means.

Maybe he really does?

You may poo poo this but there are people here with direct ties to front office and players.

Hell... I have people as relatives that dealt directly with Ted. I've had a close contact that is a business partner with Rodgers..

Just because you think it's impossible doesn't mean it your right

I don't doubt there are posters around here that have connections to 1265 although FrozenTakesInGB is the only member that has proven to be spot on with his inside information.

In addition to know for a fact what happened during a phone call between Murphy and Rodgers someone would have had to sit next to either of them with the other one being put on speaker.

You'd be hard pressed to find any serious, logical person out there who has even the slightest bit of knowledge about the first three years of Rodgers try to make the claim that McCarthy and the coaching staff didn't get the proper respect for developing Rodgers.

There's no doubt McCarthy and the coaching staff deserve credit for developing Rodgers into an elite quarterback but that doesn't mean he gets it though.

Abby was pretty good but he had problems staying on the field. Is he still in the league somewhere...?

Abbrederis announced his retirement in January 2018.

I think Rodgers wants to be coached as long as he respects his superior. He was super disappointed when Clements and Van Pelt left. Thank goodness VP is back.

The Packers didn't hire Van Pelt this offseason, he's still the quarterbacks coach in Cincinnati.

The way Jennings has become the mouthpiece for anti Green Bay talking heads and garbage articles like this, I really think he's done worse than what Favre did in 2009 and should have any exhibits ever considered for him removed from the Packer hall of fame. He has no place in there in my book.

Just for the record, Jennings hasn't been inducted into the Packers HOF.

 

[Pugger]

Opps! It was Luke Getsy that was brought back. My bad...

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

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[PackAttack12]

There's no doubt McCarthy and the coaching staff deserve credit for developing Rodgers into an elite quarterback but that doesn't mean he gets it though.

Again I will ask. What sane, halfway intelligent person who has any clue about Rodgers first 3 years in the NFL has tried claiming that McCarthy deserves no credit for Rodgers development? I’m not talking about your typical, ill-informed, biased fan. I’m talking about FOOTBALL people. Former coaches, analysts, players, etc.

Mike McCarthy has gotten plenty of credit for Rodgers’ development. You won’t find a football guy out there that will try to tell you otherwise. And if you can find a few, then they are in the vast minority.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Again I will ask. What sane, halfway intelligent person who has any clue about Rodgers first 3 years in the NFL has tried claiming that McCarthy deserves no credit for Rodgers development? I’m not talking about your typical, ill-informed, biased fan. I’m talking about FOOTBALL people. Former coaches, analysts, players, etc.

Mike McCarthy has gotten plenty of credit for Rodgers’ development. You won’t find a football guy out there that will try to tell you otherwise. And if you can find a few, then they are in the vast minority.

While I agree that most football people realize that McCarthy deserves credit for developing Rodgers into an elite quarterback but it's hardly mentioned in the media at all.

 

[PackerDNA]

Props to Jeff Janis for his tweet on all this. He stepped up big time.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I don't put a great deal of faith in "unnamed sources".....If you want to step up and take a shot at someone, put your name to it. Otherwise, this just sounds like bitter sniping from ex-players with an ax to grind.

 

[Stanger37]

I think it is funny that Jennings can go on FS1 shows all offseason and spew his headlines. They build up this plot line that "wow, this young guy coming in with no HC experience is going to try and get through to Rodgers who is at the back 9 of his career. He better hope Rodgers plays well or he'll be done for" During MarchMadness, the beginning of baseball, end of NBA/NHL (not that they mention hockey) there are so many other sports and stories they could talk about. There is always what feels like a segment a week about Rodgers and the Packers.

And now that Rodgers finally responds to what feels like 6 months of getting called out by the media. On whatever Cris Carter's show is this morning, the story today was how "Rodgers could have come out and been a better leader with his comments. He didn't have to take shots at Jennings and Finley. I think that is a poor image. He should be building relationships with his new WRs and coaching staff, not taking shots at his old teammates"

That right there is why listening to these shows and then forming your opinion is such hogwash. Rodgers gets slammed any chance they can take and doesn't make a peep. As soon as he mentions something about their boy on FS1 in Jennings, who like Rodgers said, if he isn't talking about Rodgers, when else do people listen to him? They still have a gripe with him and say he could have said it better.

In my opinion. I like how he called both of them irrelevant. I like the shots he took, because Rodgers name coming out of their mouth is honestly the only time you hear from those players. They make a lot of noise and the new WRs need to hear that they ARE irrelevant. DONT listen to them. Media doesn't report the Jordy Nelson's, James Jones, John Kuhn. Media talks about the negative and THEY spew more bad ideas in the young WRs minds than Rodgers comments do.

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

I think it is funny that Jennings can go on FS1 shows all offseason and spew his headlines. They build up this plot line that "wow, this young guy coming in with no HC experience is going to try and get through to Rodgers who is at the back 9 of his career. He better hope Rodgers plays well or he'll be done for" During MarchMadness, the beginning of baseball, end of NBA/NHL (not that they mention hockey) there are so many other sports and stories they could talk about. There is always what feels like a segment a week about Rodgers and the Packers.

And now that Rodgers finally responds to what feels like 6 months of getting called out by the media. On whatever Cris Carter's show is this morning, the story today was how "Rodgers could have come out and been a better leader with his comments. He didn't have to take shots at Jennings and Finley. I think that is a poor image. He should be building relationships with his new WRs and coaching staff, not taking shots at his old teammates"

That right there is why listening to these shows and then forming your opinion is such hogwash. Rodgers gets slammed any chance they can take and doesn't make a peep. As soon as he mentions something about their boy on FS1 in Jennings, who like Rodgers said, if he isn't talking about Rodgers, when else do people listen to him? They still have a gripe with him and say he could have said it better.

In my opinion. I like how he called both of them irrelevant. I like the shots he took, because Rodgers name coming out of their mouth is honestly the only time you hear from those players. They make a lot of noise and the new WRs need to hear that they ARE irrelevant. DONT listen to them. Media doesn't report the Jordy Nelson's, James Jones, John Kuhn. Media talks about the negative and THEY spew more bad ideas in the young WRs minds than Rodgers comments do.

I agree with a lot of what you said, except the part about "the new WR's need to hear they ARE irrelevant". Aaron meant WR's like Jennings that haven't been on the team or in the locker room for several years are irrelevant. Aaron would never say the current WR's are irrelevant.