What do you want in 2020?

[Sunshinepacker]

Oh, and I also want whoever the oline coach to stop doing whatever it is he's doing this year and go back to what they were doing in prior years. I just can't believe that turning Bahk and Linsley into mediocre players is a good job of coaching.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

We don't have that many draft picks so Gute will need to hit FA hard, again, but will need to create some cap room with selective cuts, also.

Unfortunately the Packers will have a limited amount of cap space as well though.

So, a lot of holes to fill. Blowing the Gary pick . . . what a killer. High/mid first round pick needs to be a starter who contributes right away.

Gary hasn't made an impact this season but it's far too early to consider him a bust.

Bulaga needs replaced, or even if he gets resigned we have to have his replacement coming down the pipe.

The Packers should save the cap space it would take to re-sign Bulaga and use it on a different position.

I think with St. Brown back we will have the best 3 and 4 wide set next year with Scantling Adams and Lazard rounding it out.

The wide receiving corps would definitely not be one of the best in the league next season solely because of St. Brown returning from injury.

I'm not nearly as concerned with our WR corps going into 2020 as I was 2019 personally...but still some concern.

Why not??? The receivers have struggled mightily against good opponents.

Granted guys like Bakh can be found still, it's just less of a given.

It's completely unrealistic expecting to draft an elite tackle in the fourth round.

The offense needs help but they at least have playmakers at the most important positions.

The Packers lack playmakers aside of Rodgers, Adams and Jones though.

 

[tynimiller]

Why not??? The receivers have struggled mightily against good opponents.

I said "not as worried" not that there is zero worry. I do however feel much better about our wide outs heading into 2020 for sure. One thing this year should have done is truly illustrate to the staff who they sense has a future and who doesn't. Lazard looks more and more comfortable when called upon, Kumerow has the reliable play you love to have but want to be your 5th or so option, I still (I know many disagree) feel EQ can easily be a solid 4th guy with his smarts and quick route running. Adams is a stud and will keep doing so...MVS is still growing and I know for a fact someone new will be a member of this group next year as well.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I said "not as worried" not that there is zero worry. I do however feel much better about our wide outs heading into 2020 for sure. One thing this year should have done is truly illustrate to the staff who they sense has a future and who doesn't. Lazard looks more and more comfortable when called upon, Kumerow has the reliable play you love to have but want to be your 5th or so option, I still (I know many disagree) feel EQ can easily be a solid 4th guy with his smarts and quick route running. Adams is a stud and will keep doing so...MVS is still growing and I know for a fact someone new will be a member of this group next year as well.

The Packers definitely need a #2 wide receiver though. There might even be a point to be made that they currently lack a #3 as well. When you consider the team doesn't have a tight end making an impact there's definitely reason to be worried entering the offseason.

 

[tynimiller]

The Packers definitely need a #2 wide receiver though. There might even be a point to be made that they currently lack a #3 as well. When you consider the team doesn't have a tight end making an impact there's definitely reason to be worried entering the offseason.

I'm not unworried, but not nearly as worried about next year. I think asking MVS at this stage to be the #2 with his route abilities is too much, BUT I think with a solid #2 possession/route stud WR MVS could SHINE as the #3. Truly I feel this squad is a #2 away from being an incredible unit in many respects.

As for TE mentioned...really wish we could have seen what Stern has to offer this year...

 

[Pkrjones]

When you consider the team doesn't have a tight end making an impact there's definitely reason to be worried entering the offseason.

THIS is exactly why Jimmy Graham needs to sit! Lewis should be in for 1/2 of the snaps as a blocker and occasional receiver with Tonyan & Sternberger in as move or receiving TE's. Graham isn't even used for "jump balls" in the endzone anymore. Maybe Graham is slightly better than the other 2 but we know he's done, athletically, so why not give the young guys experience and utilize their speed to help open-up the middle of the field?

Gute needs to see what the young guys can offer to give him a clearer picture of how aggressively to pursue someone in FA or the draft at TE.

 

[Mondio]

THIS is exactly why Jimmy Graham needs to sit! Lewis should be in for 1/2 of the snaps as a blocker and occasional receiver with Tonyan & Sternberger should be in as move or receiving TE's. Graham isn't even used for "jump balls" in the endzone anymore. Maybe Graham is better than the other 2 but we know he's done, athletically, so why not give the young guys experience and utilize their speed to help open-up the middle of the field?

Gute needs to see what the young guys can offer to give him a clearer picture of how aggressively to pursue someone in FA or the draft at TE.

I noticed Tonyan out there more again. I agree it's time to see what young guys can do. But Jimmy did just have a decent game prior to the 9ers. and Sternberger had very little practice, is a rookie and coming off injury. Tonyan is young and is just coming back from injury since the beginning of the year. We don't know what their plan is for the young guys yet as there hasn't really been time to show it yet.

 

[Pkrjones]

There are so many really good TE's (Kittle, Gates, Gonzalez, and even Jermichael & Graham-in-his-prime) to watch film of and emulate route nuances ~ these young guys should be preppng mentally and then asking AR (and even Boyle) questions on reads, etc. Absolutely no reason why they can't add something to this offense.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

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It's completely unrealistic expecting to draft an elite tackle in the fourth round.

Thanks for agreeing with me, finally!

 

[Dantés]

Picking where we will be picking, unless we lose out, will mean we will miss all the "can't miss" OT prospects coming into the year. Granted guys like Bakh can be found still, it's just less of a given. We'd be in the range for a right tackle as that's where Bulaga was taken, so I'd say lets start there. I'd be in favor of us bringing in a FA WR and drafting another in the second round. Similarly, sign a MLB in FA and draft another in the third.

This FA class of wide receivers is going to suck. However, the draft class is going to be elite. This is the year to draft a receiver, not sign one.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

This FA class of wide receivers is going to suck. However, the draft class is going to be elite. This is the year to draft a receiver, not sign one.

Ya, I'll usually do a deep dive into the FA's near year end. I think aside from AJ Green there's not much. Even then, he's a massive risk with his injury history. Massive reward too.

 

[Dantés]

Ya, I'll usually do a deep dive into the FA's near year end. I think aside from AJ Green there's not much. Even then, he's a massive risk with his injury history. Massive reward too.

Even if we assume that all of the guys currently projected to hit the market make it there, the majority of the talented guys are really old and the majority of the young guys aren't very talented. The one premier guy coming down the pike is Amari Cooper, and he's likely to be resigned. And if he isn't resigned, he's going to have a huge asking price-- one that I'd be scared to meet given how inconsistent he is.

And the bigger point, in my mind, is that there isn't really anyone coming who supplies with the Packers need-- speed and an ability to make plays after the catch.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Even if we assume that all of the guys currently projected to hit the market make it there, the majority of the talented guys are really old and the majority of the young guys aren't very talented. The one premier guy coming down the pike is Amari Cooper, and he's likely to be resigned. And if he isn't resigned, he's going to have a huge asking price-- one that I'd be scared to meet given how inconsistent he is.

And the bigger point, in my mind, is that there isn't really anyone coming who supplies with the Packers need-- speed and an ability to make plays after the catch.

So then we'd have to be opening to trading draft capital for someone.

Parker, Dorsett, Pascal, Robinson may be worth a look-see. There's Cole from the Jags too who may amount to something on a new team. Obviously there's no Randy Moss amongst this bunch. I agree, drafting would probably be the best.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'm not unworried, but not nearly as worried about next year. I think asking MVS at this stage to be the #2 with his route abilities is too much, BUT I think with a solid #2 possession/route stud WR MVS could SHINE as the #3. Truly I feel this squad is a #2 away from being an incredible unit in many respects.

As for TE mentioned...really wish we could have seen what Stern has to offer this year...

I don't understand how any Packers fan feels more comfortable about the receiving corps at this point in the season compared to entering it.

THIS is exactly why Jimmy Graham needs to sit! Lewis should be in for 1/2 of the snaps as a blocker and occasional receiver with Tonyan & Sternberger in as move or receiving TE's. Graham isn't even used for "jump balls" in the endzone anymore. Maybe Graham is slightly better than the other 2 but we know he's done, athletically, so why not give the young guys experience and utilize their speed to help open-up the middle of the field?

Gute needs to see what the young guys can offer to give him a clearer picture of how aggressively to pursue someone in FA or the draft at TE.

I wouldn't mind the young tight ends to receive more playing time if they deserve it. As long as Graham presents the best option there's no reason to bench him with the Packers currently fighting to win the division.

I noticed Tonyan out there more again. I agree it's time to see what young guys can do. But Jimmy did just have a decent game prior to the 9ers. and Sternberger had very little practice, is a rookie and coming off injury. Tonyan is young and is just coming back from injury since the beginning of the year. We don't know what their plan is for the young guys yet as there hasn't really been time to show it yet.

While Tonyan played 26 snaps vs. the Niners he wasn't targeted even once.

Ya, I'll usually do a deep dive into the FA's near year end. I think aside from AJ Green there's not much. Even then, he's a massive risk with his injury history. Massive reward too.

Green can't get on the field anymore, the Packers should definitely take a pass on him.

So then we'd have to be opening to trading draft capital for someone.

Parker, Dorsett, Pascal, Robinson may be worth a look-see. There's Cole from the Jags too who may amount to something on a new team. Obviously there's no Randy Moss amongst this bunch. I agree, drafting would probably be the best.

As Dantés correctly pointed out the draft presents the best option to upgrade the receiving corps next offseason.

 

[Mondio]

I could have sworn Tonyan had at a catch in that game.

 

[Pugger]

I could have sworn Tonyan had at a catch in that game.

Actually he had 2 but not for many yards.

 

[Mondio]

I don't think anybody had any for a lot of yards. Our passes were lucky to gain 5 yards.

 

[HardRightEdge]

The priorities in no particular order: RT, ILB, slot receiver, slot corner, DL, TE

• Bulaga will be a free agent and once again has proved to be a health risk.
• Martinez will be a free agent and has proven to be a jack of all trades and a master of none.
• Allison will be a free agent and has been a bust moving to the slot.
• Tramon Williams will be a free agent. He's having a very good season under the radar as opponents are not throwing at him very much. But can he repeat at age 37? One more rodeo?
• Lancaster is an OK player but more impact on the DL would be a plus. A lot depends on Gary's development whereby Z. Smith (or Gary) can take more snaps inside in nickel.
• Graham will not be retained with $8 mil in cap savings, Lewis will be a free agent and 36 years old, Tonyan is an oversized WR, and Sternberger will be a psudo-rookie with all the time missed and not getting any money game experience. One more rodeo for Lewis for blocking duty?

The problem is in the failed Day 2 picks who were lined up to fill some of these spots: Spriggs, Jones, Jackson, Burks, with not offsetting surprises out of the lower rounds.

Even after capturing $8 mil in cap savings with Graham's release, $174 mil in cap is committed to the 39 players under contract for next season.

 

[rodell330]

To not see Geronimo Allison it MVS as the #2 and #3 wr. I’m completely ready to move on from both guys.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

The Packers lack playmakers aside of Rodgers, Adams and Jones though.

The Packers, on offense, have a great WR, a great RB, and a great WR. On defense, the Packers don't have anyone I would consider top 10 at their positions anywhere. My point was that the defense is still FAR from a finished product and needs help more than the offense. I've said it before, a great QB can help lift an entire offense; there isn't really a comparable position on defense, you just need good players in many spots.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

As Dantés correctly pointed out the draft presents the best option to upgrade the receiving corps next offseason.

It's taken rookies with Rodgers three years to acclimate to playing with Rodgers (Jordy, Adams). I highly doubt they'll only use rookies to supplement our WR corps.

 

[Pugger]

It's taken rookies with Rodgers three years to acclimate to playing with Rodgers (Jordy, Adams). I highly doubt they'll only use rookies to supplement our WR corps.

What potential FA WRs do you think could be an option for us to consider this coming offseason? I too think looking towards FA for a WR opposite Adams would be a prudent move. I hope we take a WR early in the draft too.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I prefer they take the same route as the Colts did. Get that offensive line built up so AR has a couple more seconds. It's not going to get easier for AR and he needs to stay upright, plus it will promote a better run game against the top teams.
There's plenty of other area's that need help, but I would start there, especially since we'll be drafting low.

He doesn't need more time. He needs to get the ball out quicker. He already holds the ball longer than anyone. Give him 2 more seconds and he'll hold it 2 more seconds. You almost never see Brees hold it more than 3 seconds. The OL is NOT the problem here.

 

[BrokenArrow]

It's taken rookies with Rodgers three years to acclimate to playing with Rodgers (Jordy, Adams). I highly doubt they'll only use rookies to supplement our WR corps.

Simply put, Rodgers doesn't like rookie WRs. He simply won't throw to them.

 

[Mavster]

It's taken rookies with Rodgers three years to acclimate to playing with Rodgers (Jordy, Adams). I highly doubt they'll only use rookies to supplement our WR corps.

That’s just not true at all. Using Jordy as an example when he was well behind solidified receiving options in Jennings and Driver is slightly disingenuous.

Adams was also behind two guys who both had phenomenal seasons in 2014. He had a sophomore slump and then came alive in his 3rd season. Very common in the league.