What do we do with the CB group?

[swhitset]

Geez, it's really annoying that people can't deal with others disagreeing with them. Get over it, we have different opinions about Randall's performance so far this season. No big deal.

No ... what is annoying is your constant need to find fault... if you had really read my post, you would see that we don't really disagree in substance. We both agree that Randle is not playing well. I simply stated that I think he is playing better than last year. I went on to say that it is still not good enough ... I then went into detail on the play where he gave up that TD. You then attempted to use that same play as evidence of me being wrong for essentially agreeing with you.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

No ... what is annoying is your constant need to find fault... if you had really read my post, you would see that we don't really disagree in substance. We both agree that Randle is not playing well. I simply stated that I think he is playing better than last year. I went on to say that it is still not good enough ... I then went into detail on the play where he gave up that TD. You then attempted to use that same play as evidence of me being wrong for essentially agreeing with you.

Would you feel better about it if I told you that I agree with the rest of your post??? In my opinion there's no point in replying just for the sake of consenting with your view though.

 

[Dantés]

Maybe the Packers should trade with the Chargers to get Hayward back. I kind of wondered if he would slide back this season after a fantastic year, but so far he hasn't. It doesn't look like the Bolts will be doing anything this season.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Maybe the Packers should trade with the Chargers to get Hayward back. I kind of wondered if he would slide back this season after a fantastic year, but so far he hasn't. It doesn't look like the Bolts will be doing anything this season.

Interesting suggestion but unfortunately I highly doubt the Chargers would agree to trade Hayward though.

 

[Dantés]

Interesting suggestion but unfortunately I highly doubt the Chargers would agree to trade Hayward though.

Probably not. But with this season in the gutter (and no one caring anyways), maybe they'd decide to blow it up and start over. Draft a QB high and rebuild.

 

[gbgary]

randall's confidence is shot. something goes wrong and the first thing he does is throw his arms up and look for someone else to blame. i wonder what the coaches see in his film from 2014 to now. something's changed.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

randall's confidence is shot. something goes wrong and the first thing he does is throw his arms up and look for someone else to blame. i wonder what the coaches see in his film from 2014 to now. something's changed.

Starting to remind me more and more of Terrell Buckley. A guy who appeared at times to have a bright future, but got beat bad too many times that his ego took a hit he couldn't bounce back from.

 

[Dantés]

He's a head case. He's done.

 

[Mondio]

Starting to remind me more and more of Terrell Buckley. A guy who appeared at times to have a bright future, but got beat bad too many times that his ego took a hit he couldn't bounce back from.

That thought recently crossed my mind as well. Even the need to constantly talk apparently are similar.

 

[gbgary]

Starting to remind me more and more of Terrell Buckley. A guy who appeared at times to have a bright future, but got beat bad too many times that his ego took a hit he couldn't bounce back from.

yup. heard another compare him to former Packers cb ahmad carroll...2004-06

 

[Mondio]

His career is at a tipping point, does he go the way myself and the team hope he does? or does he fall off the other side? If he stays true to his word that he's committed to growing up and being more professional, it will be good. If not, he won't be. I'm not closing the book yet, but this is a pivotal moment in his young life. I hope he can move forward rather than pay lip service.

 

[GleefulGary]

If we could put Rollins attitude in Randall's body, he'd be a bonafide starter in this league. He thinks he's better than he is, and doesn't need to listen and when he gets beat his attitude goes south. IF he knew how to pick himself up and get back to work, he'd be just fine. So far, it doesn't seem he's been able to. Being good for 80-90% and then getting completely burnt on those others leaves huge holes in this defense. as we all can see.

I think with Rollins he saw an athlete, which untapped potential. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders as far as I can tell. Not a jaw dropping athlete, but one that could be molded into that solid DB. So far, it's not looking that way. But you win some, you lose some. For every person that is going to dog on Ted for taking a guy that didn't have much experience in the 2nd round and thinking they could make something out of him, there's just as many (often times the same person) ******* him because he took the most polished linebacker in the draft at #5 and a surefire can't mis prospect in AJ Hawk and he ended up just a solid player, not the playmaker they expected at #5. So if a pick, any pick doesn't work, there's never a reason to understand the why, other than Ted sucks at his job

We've had plenty of really good players thru here at all the positions that I laugh when people say Ted can't pick "X"

Great post.

Randall's issue is completely mental. He has the physical tools to do it, he just can't seem to put it together mentally. Hard to predict that.

 

[GleefulGary]

While Randall was definitely affected by the groin injury he suffered last year he hasn't performed on a better level this season.

While he hasn't exactly been good, he has been better than last year.

I mean, just his run support alike is improved. Still has way too many coverage lapses though.

 

[GleefulGary]

Probably not. But with this season in the gutter (and no one caring anyways), maybe they'd decide to blow it up and start over. Draft a QB high and rebuild.

Stop caring about them.


Now if we can somehow convince them to give us Hayward and Bosa, I might elevate them to my 2nd favorite team.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Starting to remind me more and more of Terrell Buckley. A guy who appeared at times to have a bright future, but got beat bad too many times that his ego took a hit he couldn't bounce back from.

Unfortunately I don't believe Randall's ego has taken a hit as he still considers himself as one of the top cornerbacks in the league. It would be smart for him to eat some humble pie to hopefully get back on track.

While he hasn't exactly been good, he has been better than last year.

I mean, just his run support alike is improved. Still has way too many coverage lapses though.

I agree that Randall has improved defending the run, he still sucks in coverage though.

 

[XPack]

TTs strategy is not Draft and Develop......it is more of a Draft and Dump in Deep End.

We have rookies playing against premier WRs with little to no settling in time.

I think if we give Randall a break and take some pressure off him, he can settle down and come back better.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

TTs strategy is not Draft and Develop......it is more of a Draft and Dump in Deep End.

We have rookies playing against premier WRs with little to no settling in time.

King currently presents the best option covering opposing top receivers. That was conceivable once it became clear Thompson wasn't interested in bringing in a #1 cornerback this offseason.

 

[XPack]

King currently presents the best option covering opposing top receivers.

Agreed. I just don't see that as a good way to build or maintain a team, gambling on a rookie draft pick for a regular season.

 

[gbgary]

TTs strategy is not Draft and Develop......it is more of a Draft and Dump in Deep End.

We have rookies playing against premier WRs with little to no settling in time.

I think if we give Randall a break and take some pressure off him, he can settle down and come back better.

he'll definitely be allowed to hang himself being a 1st rnd pick.

 

[gbgary]

he still considers himself as one of the top cornerbacks in the league.

haven't heard him say anything like that lately but he's definitely still defiant. his tone yesterday was like that of a brat.

earlier in this tread i thought maybe Josh Jones would make a decent cb having some experience at that position and his measurables being very good. maybe Randal is a good example why you don't try a safety at cb.

 

[Dantés]

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is another potential trade target that comes to mind.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Agreed. I just don't see that as a good way to build or maintain a team, gambling on a rookie draft pick for a regular season.

Agreed, Thompson should have signed a true #1 cornerback this offseason.

haven't heard him say anything like that lately but he's definitely still defiant. his tone yesterday was like that of a brat.

earlier in this tread i thought maybe Josh Jones would make a decent cb having some experience at that position and his measurables being very good. maybe Randal is a good example why you don't try a safety at cb.

Here's what Randall said during an interview with Michael Cohen shortly before the start of the 2017 season:

Q. You sound really excited about this upcoming season. Can you just not wait for Sunday at this point?

A. When you feel like you’re one of the best corners up in the league, you just really can’t wait to showcase your skills. So this is going to be a very, very exciting year and I feel like this team is going to go as far as the secondary takes us.

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sp...ll-ready-show-world-what-he-can-do/644793001/

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is another potential trade target that comes to mind.

Blasphemy! Acquire talent 1/4 into the season? I don't see TT trading for anyone right now, unless it's a 7th round conditional pick. The CB position isn't in nearly as bad of shape as it was last year at this time and TT sat on his hands all last season with the hand he dealt himself.

 

[XPack]

he'll definitely be allowed to hang himself being a 1st rnd pick.

That's not his fault through. Blame TT for mis-rating him. The gulf between college football and NFL is pretty significant, esp for defensive backs.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

That's not his fault through. Blame TT for mis-rating him. The gulf between college football and NFL is pretty significant, esp for defensive backs.

While I was surprised by the Packers selecting Randall in the first round of the 2015 draft there's no reason to blame Thompson for the move not working out. It's impossible for a general manager to fairly evaluate the mindset of a draftee. In addition the coaching staff should have started using him at free safety a long time ago.