Week 8 vs some Jags at their joint.

[OldSchool101]

Don't see a win here.

Detroit is a very good team. However GB is very young and inexperience ramps with time. I think we put too much emphasis on the present. It’s possible today Detroit is a little bit better than GB, but not likely the second meeting. I think it’s very possible we split games 1-1.

The other thing I’ll mention that will factor. Devonte Wyatt has turned out to be a good player. Worthy of a Day 1 in a draft do over. Aiden Hutchinson was just lost for the season. These are key + or - on each roster that affect game performance. I suspect Wyatt will be back in the next 2 weeks and that’s a + our DL needs another playmaker to complete the formula. Wyatt is now a plug n play DL
Missing Hutchinson is a big loss for Detroit and would be for any team. I think if we met the Vikings again we’d be a +1 favorite. Just imo. Detroit beating MN isn’t a surprise. We nearly caught them after a horrific start and got within 2 points. With a sloppy performance I’d think I’d call it.

I think we start 6-2 and against the Bears and Detroit we go 2-2. Even IF we lost to MN it’s 2-3. That’s still an
8-5 record in a strong Division. Of the 4 others games, we either go 3-1 or we go 2-2.

10-7 or 11-6.

 

[OldSchool101]

In summary I still believe due to age of D scheme, age of potential in additional roster help combined that GB is ascending. We’ve already shown formidable as the season progressed, that is our identity. It wasn’t just a fluke last season.

Love does NOT need to run as clean as the 2023 stretch. It’s highly likely that won’t happen. However he does need to mitigate INT and get back to a 5:2 to 3:1 ratio TD:INT. If he does that watch out. I said that last year towards the beginning of his run. Hes still a formidable QB don’t let his INT trick you. Part of that was early season, part of that was returning earlier from a sprain and part of that was falling back to Earth. No QB can go 19:1 regular. Its not happening not even with Rodgers prime. We don’t need that level of play but we do need somewhere between last years stretch and this years start.

I think we Win by 2-scores but Trevor will give us a scare some point.

 

[El Guapo]

At least the Packers will be used to playing in the warm weather that they'll encounter in Jacksonville. High of 78 and breezy, so maybe that means a re-focus on feeding the ball to Josh Jacobs.

 

[milani]

Yeah this game is not the easy W it appears to be. You mentioned the weather. And the Jags can be a very good team at times. Anyway, like all the other games, the coaches have to get these guys ready to come back with a road win.

As for the last 9 games, yeah it's one tough stretch. Finishing the year with 10-13 wins is most likely. To narrow it, my best guess is 12 wins. So they have to beat the Jags and finish 6-3 over the last nine games. I have no idea where that gets them as far as playoff seeding, but 12 wins will get them in the playoffs.

It is not so much a letdown or looking ahead to the " big " rival. But what happens with young teams is that they can get caught reading their headlines the whole next week. This is when the coach has to make them forget that and bring them down to planet earth. Lombardi was a master at that. Was harder on the team after victories than defeats.

 

[milani]

Detroit is a very good team. However GB is very young and inexperience ramps with time. I think we put too much emphasis on the present. It’s possible today Detroit is a little bit better than GB, but not likely the second meeting. I think it’s very possible we split games 1-1.

The other thing I’ll mention that will factor. Devonte Wyatt has turned out to be a good player. Worthy of a Day 1 in a draft do over. Aiden Hutchinson was just lost for the season. These are key + or - on each roster that affect game performance. I suspect Wyatt will be back in the next 2 weeks and that’s a + our DL needs another playmaker to complete the formula. Wyatt is now a plug n play DL
Missing Hutchinson is a big loss for Detroit and would be for any team. I think if we met the Vikings again we’d be a +1 favorite. Just imo. Detroit beating MN isn’t a surprise. We nearly caught them after a horrific start and got within 2 points. With a sloppy performance I’d think I’d call it.

I think we start 6-2 and against the Bears and Detroit we go 2-2. Even IF we lost to MN it’s 2-3. That’s still an
8-5 record in a strong Division. Of the 4 others games, we either go 3-1 or we go 2-2.

10-7 or 11-6.

The Vikings forced Detroit to make some mistakes but they are a physically and mentally tough team. We caught them on a short week after a near home loss to the Bears last year. They will not be too kind this time around. But....neither will we.

 

[PikeBadger]

This was a 9 win team last year and one that looked very good in other games...I'm honestly more concerned about this game than I was Houston which seems crazy to say but this is away, in the heat and with a team struggling BIG time to find their footing.

I circled this game as an absolute had to win though given what follows...

Lions (5-1)
@Bears (4-2)
49ers (3-4...best 3-4 team arguably there is)
Dolphins 2-4
@Lions (5-1)
@Seahawks (4-3)
Saints (2-5)
@Vikings (5-1)
Bears (4-2)

Realistically a 4-5 record in those nine games would be pretty dang good and truthfully don't see us winning more than 7....that means beat the Jags and we are easily IMO fighting for a 10-12 win season and have to be in the thick of things.

I know it's the thing, to have more respect for an opponent than they deserve, but I'm not playing this week. I think Jacksonville is a crappy team and fully expect them to revert back to their usual level of crappiness after what I believe was a one game anomaly last Sunday.

 

[PikeBadger]

The Vikings forced Detroit to make some mistakes but they are a physically and mentally tough team. We caught them on a short week after a near home loss to the Bears last year. They will not be too kind this time around. But....neither will we.

We were on a short week too and went into their crib, busted down the door and curb stomped them. They ain't all that, and they have a coach that's due to make some ridiculous decision again.

 

[Heyjoe4]

It is not so much a letdown or looking ahead to the " big " rival. But what happens with young teams is that they can get caught reading their headlines the whole next week. This is when the coach has to make them forget that and bring them down to planet earth. Lombardi was a master at that. Was harder on the team after victories than defeats.

That's actually the better point. These guys read and watch the sports news, local and national. It's all been very positive. And for young guys - yeah - they can start believing their own press. (Well damn that applies to all of us at times, young and old.). That's ok as long as they keep the next game in front of them and study their opponent rather than their press.

I trust MLF and the other coaches to help immensely in that regard......

 

[Davy1987]

Hi lads, I'm travelling to the game from Ireland, I was wondering if anyone had any tips on areas to tailgate beforehand? Any tips and advice greatly received, cheers

 

[DoURant]

The Jags lost 3 games by less than 1 score. I expect this to be a close game, since it's in Jacksonville.

Looking to next week, WR Jameson Williams was suspended for 2 games, so the Lions lose a weapon on offense.

 

[Heyjoe4]

The Jags lost 3 games by less than 1 score. I expect this to be a close game, since it's in Jacksonville.

Looking to next week, WR Jameson Williams was suspended for 2 games, so the Lions lose a weapon on offense.

Good point. This team does have some talent, and I'm not convinced just yet that Lawrence will turn out to be no more than a game manager. Regardless, best for the Packers to pull out the stops and make this a convincing win. Next week will be a bit harder.

Any info on why Williams was suspended? He's good, but St Brown is the guy to watch out for.

 

[sschind]

Good point. This team does have some talent, and I'm not convinced just yet that Lawrence will turn out to be no more than a game manager. Regardless, best for the Packers to pull out the stops and make this a convincing win. Next week will be a bit harder.

Any info on why Williams was suspended? He's good, but St Brown is the guy to watch out for.

violating the league rules on performance enhancing drugs. I didn't read what he was supposed to have taken.

 

[Heyjoe4]

violating the league rules on performance enhancing drugs. I didn't read what he was supposed to have taken.

Thanks sschind. PED violations are like a wrist slap in the NFL but a much bigger deal in MLB. I guess it's based on what the respective unions negotiated in the CBA. Just seems ironic that the NFL doesn't take it very seriously.

 

[DoURant]

violating the league rules on performance enhancing drugs. I didn't read what he was supposed to have taken.

Here is Williams statement.

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[milani]

Here is Williams statement.

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[milani]

He can appeal. He is in complete denial.

 

[OldSchool101]

Well we in the North are familiar with Jameson Williams backup, Allen Robinson. At one time Allen was a formidable WR for Chicago, but it appears he’s a shell of his former self. Dan Campbell has already said Robinson would get more action this week against Tennessee.

As far as Jacksonville. It’s always tougher to get a Road Win. That said our team youth seems to travel better than the older Rodgers Guard a few years ago.
1. Avoid Turnovers. Let’s not give the Jags any help.
2. Win the Turnover battle. I’m even ok if it’s just +1. Get back to taking the ball away.
3. Focus on mitigating Brian Thomas Jr. he’s like 1/3 of their Offense. He’s also historically a Big play producer (over 20+). Don’t give up any big scores, I’d keep McCkinney on his side more and force Trevor to Win elsewhere or go down hard with an INT or Two forcing it.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Missing Hutchinson is a big loss for Detroit and would be for any team. I think if we met the Vikings again we’d be a +1 favorite. Just imo. Detroit beating MN isn’t a surprise. We nearly caught them after a horrific start and got within 2 points. With a sloppy performance I’d think I’d call it.

Let's not forget that if Narveson was even 50% on field goals that day (instead of 0-2), we win that game and we're all alone at the top of the North at 6-1. Top record in the whole NFC, for that matter, and only a half game behind the Chiefs for the league's best record.

I'm very happy with where we're sitting right now. We had a rough start, and still have some inconsistencies that need to be worked out (and the sooner the better, before we hit the divisional portion of the schedule), but if the team continues to improve, I expect a 12-5 finish, and wouldn't be surprised at 13-4. That's obviously a very optimistic "best case" scenario, but I do believe it is within our reach. I'd be disappointed and surprised at 11-6, but that may be the price of playing in the toughest division in the NFL.

Once we get past Jax, we have 9 games remaining. Of those 9, 5 are NFC North teams, and all of those teams have a stronger record than any of the 4 non-division teams we play. Our 5 division games are the toughest teams we will face the rest of the season. If we split with Detroit and Minnesota, and sweep the Bears (a scenario which i think is quite possible), we only have to go 3-1 against the 4 weakest team teams remaining and we're 12-5. That probably wins the divison and a bye, and even 11-6 certainly is a playoff spot.

10-7 may get us in too, but if we fall apart and finish 9-8, I think the Packers spend the postseason in their living rooms. I think we caught a break, because everyone expected at least 3 of those 4 teams (Miami, Niners, and Seahawks) to be better than they have been thus far.

So... yeah. I like where we're sitting. I'd rather that Viking "L" was a "W" (things would be much easier), but how you finish the season matters a lot more than how you start it. And I think we're primed for a very strong finish.

Edit: at this point, the Bears have the toughest remaining scheule in the league. We're 4th, with the Detroits right behind us at #5. Minnesota is I beleieve #11. So obviously it's going to be a steep slope, but if we're truly a Super Bowl team, we should be able to pull this off. If we can't, then maybe we weren't quite ready yet after all.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Here is Williams statement.

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I almost believed he was sincere and telling the truth until that last statement about this being the last time he will address the matter. If I was accused of something I didn't do I'd deny it whenever it came up - in this case whenever the press asks about it, which will be upon his return. This is his way of shutting that down. It won't work and he's better off telling is story when he's inevitably asked.

milani nailed it. He's in denial.

 

[Pugger]

Hi lads, I'm travelling to the game from Ireland, I was wondering if anyone had any tips on areas to tailgate beforehand? Any tips and advice greatly received, cheers

If you want local info on the area you might want to try and find a Jacksonville Jaguars forum.

 

[rmontro]

Edit: at this point, the Bears have the toughest remaining scheule in the league. We're 4th, with the Detroits right behind us at #5. Minnesota is I beleieve #11. So obviously it's going to be a steep slope, but if we're truly a Super Bowl team, we should be able to pull this off. If we can't, then maybe we weren't quite ready yet after all.

Wasn't someone just saying that we had the toughest remaining schedule in the league? Oh well, let's just hope playing these better teams will be like a rock honing a blade. For us, anyway.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Wasn't someone just saying that we had the toughest remaining schedule in the league? Oh well, let's just hope playing these better teams will be like a rock honing a blade. For us, anyway.

Seems to change a lot, and some sites seem to update their rankings on different days. When i saw your post, I did some fact-checking, and could not even find the same ranking I found last night - that site changed their rankings in the last 24 hours. They now have Detroit #3, GB #5, and Minnesota #7.

NFL Remaining Schedule Strength | Tankathon

Shows the remaining strength of schedule for NFL teams based on the winning percentage of the opponents left on their schedule.

www.tankathon.com

I looked at a number of other sites again today too, and it's difficult to tell when some of them were last updated. Some of them seem to have slightly different criteria, too, although I don't know why. If two teams both have a remaining SOS of .545, there has to be some subjective factor that they feel makes one of those .545's tougher than the other, and I can understand why that's necessary - but I don't see how that accounts for all the changes in the last 24 hours.

So I looked at several sites. One thing they all agree on is that Chicago has the toughest row to ***, with 6 of their last 11 games being against Norris Division teams, and the consensus seems to be that Detroit and Green Bay are both in the Top 5, and Minnesota 5-8 spots below us. Which is probably as accurate as it needs to be; I can't imagine there being that much difference between the 4th toughest schedule and the 5th, or even the 2nd. It's not like we're docking with the space station or something.

Edit: "the toughest row to till with a long-handled gardening tool."

 

[Poppa San]

Edit: "the toughest row to till with a long-handled gardening tool."

Someone some day will track that down in the net nanny's database and hoe that weed out of there.

 

[milani]

Seems to change a lot, and some sites seem to update their rankings on different days. When i saw your post, I did some fact-checking, and could not even find the same ranking I found last night - that site changed their rankings in the last 24 hours. They now have Detroit #3, GB #5, and Minnesota #7.

NFL Remaining Schedule Strength | Tankathon

Shows the remaining strength of schedule for NFL teams based on the winning percentage of the opponents left on their schedule.

www.tankathon.com

I looked at a number of other sites again today too, and it's difficult to tell when some of them were last updated. Some of them seem to have slightly different criteria, too, although I don't know why. If two teams both have a remaining SOS of .545, there has to be some subjective factor that they feel makes one of those .545's tougher than the other, and I can understand why that's necessary - but I don't see how that accounts for all the changes in the last 24 hours.

So I looked at several sites. One thing they all agree on is that Chicago has the toughest row to ***, with 6 of their last 11 games being against Norris Division teams, and the consensus seems to be that Detroit and Green Bay are both in the Top 5, and Minnesota 5-8 spots below us. Which is probably as accurate as it needs to be; I can't imagine there being that much difference between the 4th toughest schedule and the 5th, or even the 2nd. It's not like we're docking with the space station or something.

Edit: "the toughest row to till with a long-handled gardening tool."

The other curve on the schedule is that we get away from all these Noon Sunday games. We get hit with 2 Thursdays, a Sunday night, and a Monday night. And WK 18 is up in the air depending where the Bears and us are. Kind of a pain but we have a young team. They do not have to be in bed at 9.

 

[PikeBadger]

The other curve on the schedule is that we get away from all these Noon Sunday games. We get hit with 2 Thursdays, a Sunday night, and a Monday night. And WK 18 is up in the air depending where the Bears and us are. Kind of a pain but we have a young team. They do not have to be in bed at 9.

I'm not a big fan of us having 2 Thursday games.