Week 13: Packers at Giants - bounce back time

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It's Wednesday, I guess everyone's been a little too down to get past the 49ers game. The Packers should take no team lightly and we shouldn't assume an automatic win, but these next three games are about as pedestrian as it gets in the NFL as far as strength of schedule. The 'any given Sunday' saying always applies, but if the Packers take care of business the way they're capable of, they should be able to get this W and get to 9-3.

Even though Sunday at Frisco sucked, the Packers still are in a great position coming down the stretch. A 1st round bye is still attainable. Starts this Sunday.
 

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There are no gimmes in the NFL. They need to put the 49ers in the rear view mirror and start worrying about Saquon Barkely and Danny Dimes.
 

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MLF is a moron. Rodgers is way too old. The OL is on vacation. Our MLB is an average high school level player at best. King has given up 74 TDs so far this season. Savage, Gary, and all the other draft picks not named Elgton are all busts.

Gute is so terrible as a GM he's got CaptWimm wishing TT comes out of retirement.


NYG 73 Packers 0
 

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is that 10 TDs and a field goal......or do Giants go for 2 a couple of times?
 

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My guess is Giants win after that perfomance. Where the f Gary Been. Dudes a ghost .
 
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MLF is a moron. Rodgers is way too old. The OL is on vacation. Our MLB is an average high school level player at best. King has given up 74 TDs so far this season. Savage, Gary, and all the other draft picks not named Elgton are all busts.

Gute is so terrible as a GM he's got CaptWimm wishing TT comes out of retirement.


NYG 73 Packers 0



WOW,........talk about poking the Bear. :speechless:
 

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It's Wednesday, I guess everyone's been a little too down to get past the 49ers game. The Packers should take no team lightly and we shouldn't assume an automatic win, but these next three games are about as pedestrian as it gets in the NFL as far as strength of schedule. The 'any given Sunday' saying always applies, but if the Packers take care of business the way they're capable of, they should be able to get this W and get to 9-3.

Even though Sunday at Frisco sucked, the Packers still are in a great position coming down the stretch. A 1st round bye is still attainable. Starts this Sunday.

I think it's just with all the holiday preparations and all that people have been so busy that they haven't been able to bring up the game.

Well, as much as we complain about our injuries and all that, this Giants team always seems to be losing players left and right at an even greater pace.

Thus far their defense has been a huge problem this season, and I think our big playmakers like Aaron Jones and Allan Lazard can hit paydirt in this one.

For our defense, looks like Barkley and Slaton are their biggest playmakers who we gotta look out for. Danny Dimes has not been protected well so the Smiths should have a good game coming.
 

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Weather’s forecast to be nasty Sunday. Rain/Snow all day. If we can contain Barkley, Jones isn’t going to beat us through the air. Bottom line, if we lose to a 2 win team at this point in the season we don’t belong in the championship conversation.
 
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I know that was a beat down last week.
But something tells me GB will bounce back. Not that we should underestimate any team, but truthfully our toughest contest remaining is the Vikings and I think we have a decent shot at beating them. Realistically we should go 11-5 or 12-4 and there’s a good chance we make the playoffs either way. If we can get a game up on the Vikings it’ll be huge and this week is our best chance.
Then you can throw the records out the window.
It’s who rises to the occasion each week.
 

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gopkrs, why did you disagree with my post above? SF is an excellent team and I felt we had to play a perfect game to win. I just didn't expect us to play as poorly as we did. The Gmen are pretty bad so it would be far worse to lose to a team of this caliber compared to last week IMO.
 

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gopkrs, why did you disagree with my post above? SF is an excellent team and I felt we had to play a perfect game to win. I just didn't expect us to play as poorly as we did. The Gmen are pretty bad so it would be far worse to lose to a team of this caliber compared to last week IMO.
I disagreed because we got killed.
 
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I see where Barkley's production is way off since coming back from a high ankle sprain in week 7. Over those last 5 games:

81 carries, 224 yds., 2.7 yds, per carry, 1 TD. This included 13 carries for 1 yard against Tampa in week 10. He showed an uptick in week 12 after the bye, 17/59/3.5, still pretty pedestrian.

31 targets, 24 catches, 185 yds, 7.7 yds per catch, 1 TD. His targets have been on a steady decline: 5, 10, 8, 5, 3, in that order.

Compared to his first two games before the injury, he's clearly struggling. Contrary to his comments this week, the numbers say he came back too early from that injury.

If you can't kick this dog while he's down, especially after last week, you might as well pack up any delusions of grandeur and drop them in the Salvation Army collection box.

The Packers have yet to demonstrate the ability to play 4 quarters of solid football on both sides of the ball. It's a rate team that does that on a regular basis throughout the season, but if you cannot show the ability to do it at least once, fuggetaboutit. Now is the time.

Hauschka aside, the Bills did that yesterday on the road after Edmunds got his head out of his *** in Dallas' opening drive. Allen looked like an actual NFL passer of the football, night and day from last year and early this year. Some kind of light went on.

Don't make me say the Bills are a better football team.
 
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"It's a Team Game" - Week 12 Addition

Giants Stats:

Offensive 3rd. down performance: 37.2%, 18th. ranked (Packers are at 33.6%, 25th. ranked)
Defensive 3rd. down performance: 39.3%, 16th. ranked (Packers are at 40.0%, 20th. ranked)

Offensive 4th. down performance: 9 of 23, 39.1%, 22nd. ranked (Packers are 1-6, 16.7%, dead last)
Defensive 4th. down performance: 4 of 6, 66.7%, 29th. ranked (Packers are 4 of 8, 50%, 15th. ranked)

[The best to look at 4th. downs is to add a team's offensive success rate to their defensive success rate (2 of 6 in the Giants case) with anything under net 50% being equivalent a turnover, either forfeited FG point opportunities or allowing the opponent another scoring opportunity (forfeiting possession) or forfeited field position. For the Giants, that's 11 for 29, 7 instances under 50%, equivalent to a -7 turnover differential. The Packers are 5 of 14, 4 instances under 50%, or equivalent to a -4 turnover differential. Never heard anybody talk about 4th. downs in this way? Me neither. Think it through.]

Offensive Red Zone TD%: 55.2%, 19th. ranked (Packers are at 67.6%, 3rd. ranked)
Defensive Red Zone TD%: 47.2%, 7th. ranked (Packers are at 48.7%, 10th. ranked)

Turnover Differential: -11, 29th., chiefly on 25 giveaways (Packers are +8, 5th. ranked, the two turnover per game difference between these two teams is huge)

[NOTE: If you have not figured out that what separates the Packers from 0.500 or worse teams has been red zone performance and turnover differential, be so advised.]

20+ yard TDs:

Offense: 10 (Packers have 6)
Defense: 14 (Packers have 9)

Conclusion:

What separates the Giants from 0.500 teams hinges on a couple of plays per game in turnover differential and its sibling, 4th. down performance.

What separates the Packers from 0.500 teams also comes down to a couple plays per game in the red zone or with turnovers.

"Any given week" is not necessarily some abberation. The differences between a "bad" team and a "good" team can be pretty narrow, making or not making a small handful of plays.

The Packers are favored by -6 to -6.5 depending on the book. Assigning the home team a 3 point advantage, the betting line is saying the Packers are a 9.0 - 9.5 point better team.

  • The data says the Packers have a +2 advantage in turnovers combined with 4th. down equivalency. That's a lot of points, somewhere in the 7-9 range.
  • The Giants have a small edge on 3rd. downs, 5% net, maybe two per game on both sides of the ball combined. Give them a couple of points for that.
  • Big play TDs is pretty much a wash; both teams give a few more than they get.
  • The Packers superior red zone performance is significant and is the deciding factor.
My probability determination is the Packers will cover the 6.5 point spread. That's a probability, a fairly strong one in my estimation. If the Giants have some unique game where they manage not to turn the ball over or screw up on 4th. down, this game can be quite a bit closer than it would appear.

Of course, we want to see the Packers put together 4 good quarters and dish a beatdown. We have not seen that yet, so the probability is they won't. Again, that's a probability not a certainty.
 
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MLF is a moron. Rodgers is way too old. The OL is on vacation. Our MLB is an average high school level player at best. King has given up 74 TDs so far this season. Savage, Gary, and all the other draft picks not named Elgton are all busts.

Gute is so terrible as a GM he's got CaptWimm wishing TT comes out of retirement.


NYG 73 Packers 0
MLF is a moron. Rodgers is way too old. The OL is on vacation. Our MLB is an average high school level player at best. King has given up 74 TDs so far this season. Savage, Gary, and all the other draft picks not named Elgton are all busts.

Gute is so terrible as a GM he's got CaptWimm wishing TT comes out of retirement.


NYG 73 Packers 0
I’ll call my bookie and bet on NY covering the spread...
Thanks for the hot tip
 

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Packers need this cupcake game to get back to being the amazing Packers of 2019
 

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gopkrs, why did you disagree with my post above? SF is an excellent team and I felt we had to play a perfect game to win. I just didn't expect us to play as poorly as we did. The Gmen are pretty bad so it would be far worse to lose to a team of this caliber compared to last week IMO.

We didn't have to play a perfect game to beat SF. We simply had to play OUR game. You know, the one that produced 32 points a game for 5 weeks while Rodgers was without his security blanket. He played with tunnel vision that entire game. Several times he either didn't see other guys who were open or he just refused to throw to them. I don't know which was the case, but either way it's a problem and it needs to stop NOW.
 

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Packers should be able to handle the Giants. I expect Barkley to have a big day, but that's about it. Packers should be able to move the ball. Running and passing we should be able to exploit this defense. We should be able to limit the passing game by confusing the rookie. Pettine will have a great day as well as the Smiths and Clark.

Heres my out-on-the-limb prediction. The Packers will return a punt and get more than 3 yards.

Packers 37 - Giants 16
 
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Bryan Bulaga is active. No missed games for the Packers starting right tackle.
 
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Weather: 32 degrees; rain and snow mix to start out with snow and ice accumulation less than 1 inch then turning to rain; 10 mph wind
 
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MLF is a moron. Rodgers is way too old. The OL is on vacation. Our MLB is an average high school level player at best. King has given up 74 TDs so far this season. Savage, Gary, and all the other draft picks not named Elgton are all busts.

Gute is so terrible as a GM he's got CaptWimm wishing TT comes out of retirement.


NYG 73 Packers 0
F’ing STELLAR.
 
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