We need a new OC!

[Sunshinepacker]

Packers fans advocating for the team to replace McCarthy as the team's offensive coordinator should be careful what they wish for, considering the offense's performance with Tom Clements calling the plays for most of the 2016 as a cautionary tale.

The game has passed MM by. For years now we've seen his offense flounder unless it has overwhelming talent. MM has always insisted that his receivers need to "eat their guys" and don't need help getting open. We got to see him screw the team up again against Washington because, for whatever reason, he wanted the Packers to throw the ball all the time even though Jones was having a good game as a runner. And don't bring up Rodgers audibling out of runs, because it's the COACH that's supposed to give him that choice and the coach who is supposed to control that. MM was a good coach who won a Super Bowl on the back of Capers' defense and then fielded great offenses when he had elite talent all over the place. He doesn't know how to compensate for non-elite talent. Look at what Reid is doing in KC and did last year with Alex Smith (who turned right back into Alex Smith in Arizona).

 

[Sunshinepacker]

It was actually 2015 and even though it was Clements calling the plays, he was using McCarthy's playbook. Also, even when MM took the play calling back not much changed.

But if I remember correctly, didn't MM take back over the week before playing a cupcake so he could look great for that week?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

The Patriots need a new OC. Their offense has lacked dynamism and they don't make the best use of player talents at hand like Hogan and Edelman. McDaniel s' play calling lacks any kind of innovation getting figured out by that half-baked Detroit defense.


This is how ridiculous this thread is.

Yeah, the Pats offense has been underwhelming for three straight years....

 

[PackAttack12]

The Patriots need a new OC. Their offense has lacked dynamism and they don't make the best use of player talents at hand like Hogan and Edelman. McDaniel s' play calling lacks any kind of innovation getting figured out by that half-baked Detroit defense.


This is how ridiculous this thread is.

Coming from the poster who has the most knee jerk takes/opinions on the entire forum. Ironic.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Yeah, the Pats offense has been underwhelming for three straight years....

Doesn't matter, the game has passed McDaniels by, he is underutilizing their talents and is coaching too conservative by your definitions.

SMH

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Bring back Dom Capers

 

[rodell330]

The Packers need creativity and more play makers...yea I said it playmakers. All 3 guys are serviceable, but GMO, Adams, and Cobb scare no one. Jimmy Graham is the guy that could really flourish in this offense but he’s being underutilized. Adams is our “#1” wr but he doesn’t demand a double team and he doesn’t have deep speed. Graham could have the same type of Finley had if they design more plays for him.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Doesn't matter, the game has passed McDaniels by, he is underutilizing their talents and is coaching too conservative by your definitions.

SMH

Yeah, solid rebuttal. I didn't look at it that way. You've opened my eyes! MM, who has consistently screwed up games at key points, can't modify his offense to account for missing players, and can't field an elite offense that doesn't have both Jordy Nelson and Aaron Rodgers is obviously one of the game's great minds.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Yeah, solid rebuttal. I didn't look at it that way. You've opened my eyes! MM, who has consistently screwed up games at key points, can't modify his offense to account for missing players, and can't field an elite offense that doesn't have both Jordy Nelson and Aaron Rodgers is obviously one of the game's great minds.

Contradicting statements right there buddy.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Contradicting statements right there buddy.

I guess you didn't get my sarcasm in that statement?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The game has passed MM by. For years now we've seen his offense flounder unless it has overwhelming talent. MM has always insisted that his receivers need to "eat their guys" and don't need help getting open. We got to see him screw the team up again against Washington because, for whatever reason, he wanted the Packers to throw the ball all the time even though Jones was having a good game as a runner. And don't bring up Rodgers audibling out of runs, because it's the COACH that's supposed to give him that choice and the coach who is supposed to control that. MM was a good coach who won a Super Bowl on the back of Capers' defense and then fielded great offenses when he had elite talent all over the place. He doesn't know how to compensate for non-elite talent. Look at what Reid is doing in KC and did last year with Alex Smith (who turned right back into Alex Smith in Arizona).

Aside of Rodgers and Bakhtiari over the past few season who are those elite players that were on the Packers roster you are talking about??? It's true the team had some pretty good receivers in the past but please don't act as if the unit ever featured someone like Brown, Jones or Beckham. In addition aside of Lacy being a top running back for two seasons the team never had an above average running back or a tight end being even close to as talented as some of the ones a tier behind Gronkowski.

When you consider that McCarthy deserves credit for developing Rodgers into an elite quarterback your arguments are on extremely shaky ground.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Aside of Rodgers and Bakhtiari over the past few season who are those elite players that were on the Packers roster you are talking about??? It's true the team had some pretty good receivers in the past but please don't act as if the unit ever featured someone like Brown, Jones or Beckham. In addition aside of Lacy being a top running back for two seasons the team never had an above average running back or a tight end being even close to as talented as some of the ones a tier behind Gronkowski.

When you consider that McCarthy deserves credit for developing Rodgers into an elite quarterback your arguments are on extremely shaky ground.

After seeing MM's failure to develop other QB's, I'll give Rodgers most of the credit for being really good. As for the elite guys, I'm talking about when the Packers had an elite offense, 3-4 years ago. The Packers had a top-5 oline 3 years and great WRs. You don't need Pro Bowlers at every position for a great oline. Go back and look at those teams, heck, just google oline rankings 2015 and you'll see that the oline was GOOD back then.

I am so confused. MM has consistently blown games, come out with terrible game plans that need to be fixed at halftime and wasted entire seasons with his stubborn refusal to admit he hasn't developed an adequate backup QB. Why are people so intent on defending this guy? When was the last time anyone saw MM scheme a linebacker onto Adams? Or develop a gameplan that took advantage of a defense's weakness? Every weak is the same thing, trust Rodgers to make great throws to guys that aren't really that open. That's not an offensive genius, that's a remora just stuck to Rodgers' arm.

 

[Mondio]

After seeing MM's failure to develop other QB's, I'll give Rodgers most of the credit for being really good. As for the elite guys, I'm talking about when the Packers had an elite offense, 3-4 years ago. The Packers had a top-5 oline 3 years and great WRs. You don't need Pro Bowlers at every position for a great oline. Go back and look at those teams, heck, just google oline rankings 2015 and you'll see that the oline was GOOD back then.

I am so confused. MM has consistently blown games, come out with terrible game plans that need to be fixed at halftime and wasted entire seasons with his stubborn refusal to admit he hasn't developed an adequate backup QB. Why are people so intent on defending this guy? When was the last time anyone saw MM scheme a linebacker onto Adams? Or develop a gameplan that took advantage of a defense's weakness? Every weak is the same thing, trust Rodgers to make great throws to guys that aren't really that open. That's not an offensive genius, that's a remora just stuck to Rodgers' arm.

BULL ****ING ****. Just last week Cobb was as open as you're going to get on 3rd and short and 4th and short as you can expect to be in this league and he just DROPPED them. Kendricks was schemed as wide open as any TE can every expect to be and just dropped it. between 2 players we have 16 offensive snaps less. That's significant. Quit blaming it on stuff that doesn't need blaming. They need to play better and suddenly everything is fixed. how do you scheme against a fumble? run it to the other side of the field next time?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

After seeing MM's failure to develop other QB's, I'll give Rodgers most of the credit for being really good. As for the elite guys, I'm talking about when the Packers had an elite offense, 3-4 years ago. The Packers had a top-5 oline 3 years and great WRs. You don't need Pro Bowlers at every position for a great oline. Go back and look at those teams, heck, just google oline rankings 2015 and you'll see that the oline was GOOD back then.

I am so confused. MM has consistently blown games, come out with terrible game plans that need to be fixed at halftime and wasted entire seasons with his stubborn refusal to admit he hasn't developed an adequate backup QB. Why are people so intent on defending this guy? When was the last time anyone saw MM scheme a linebacker onto Adams? Or develop a gameplan that took advantage of a defense's weakness? Every weak is the same thing, trust Rodgers to make great throws to guys that aren't really that open. That's not an offensive genius, that's a remora just stuck to Rodgers' arm.

Man, you need to take a break from playing Madden all the time while drinking Tequila. It's f*cked with your brain.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

BULL ******* ****. Just last week Cobb was as open as you're going to get on 3rd and short and 4th and short as you can expect to be in this league and he just DROPPED them. Kendricks was schemed as wide open as any TE can every expect to be and just dropped it. between 2 players we have 16 offensive snaps less. That's significant. Quit blaming it on stuff that doesn't need blaming. They need to play better and suddenly everything is fixed. how do you scheme against a fumble? run it to the other side of the field next time?

Fine, you win. MM is an offensive genius who nobody else outside of some Packers' fans recognizes. The rest of the football watching world is wrong when they say his offense is stale and unimaginative.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Man, you need to take a break from playing Madden all the time while drinking Tequila. It's f*cked with your brain.

As above, you have convinced me that MM is in fact an offensive guru who will be recognized for his genius when he is gone (hopefully next year).

 

[Mondio]

Fine, you win. MM is an offensive genius who nobody else outside of some Packers' fans recognizes. The rest of the football watching world is wrong when they say his offense is stale and unimaginative.

I haven't seen Billy Belly go out of his way to give praise to anybody, let alone another coach other than his monotone, they're good, they'll be tough, they're well coached stuff he says before every game. But he went out of his way to talk about MM and what he thought of him. That speaks volumes compared to the talking heads on TV that get paid to get people to listen to their drivel. Assuming health, by november everyone will be talking about how potent this offense is again like every year.

 

[Eddie Rangel]

I think the dropped balls hurt us more than the actual play calling. Also, didn’t we just sign Philbin during the off-season ? We won a Super with him on our side.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I haven't seen Billy Belly go out of his way to give praise to anybody, let alone another coach other than his monotone, they're good, they'll be tough, they're well coached stuff he says before every game. But he went out of his way to talk about MM and what he thought of him. That speaks volumes compared to the talking heads on TV that get paid to get people to listen to their drivel. Assuming health, by november everyone will be talking about how potent this offense is again like every year.

I was not discussing talking heads when I talk about those who follow football criticizing MM. I was talking about reporters, analysts, etc. However, as I pointed out, I have been converted. MM is a terrific offensive guru who has just had a run of bad luck the last few years.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I think the dropped balls hurt us more than the actual play calling. Also, didn’t we just sign Philbin during the off-season ? We won a Super with him on our side.

The defense won that Super Bowl. The offense was good but the defense that year with Woodson, Jenkins, etc. was terrific.

 

[Mondio]

I was not discussing talking heads when I talk about those who follow football criticizing MM. I was talking about reporters, analysts, etc. However, as I pointed out, I have been converted. MM is a terrific offensive guru who has just had a run of bad luck the last few years.

Oh I know you're a convert, I just get satisfaction from beating into your head even more. Maybe move on over to that other thread showing a handful of plays where Cobb was wide flipping open for TD's and Rodgers never threw him the ball even when he was looking at him. Or another GMO play where he was wide open in the endzone and no ball thrown his way. Add those 3 TD's to the 16 plays we didn't get from dropped balls and fumbles. the case against the coach gets even weaker and the case that the players need to play better gets stronger yet.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Honestly I don't think it would matter if we won the Superbowl this year. The anti Mike McCarthy crowd is so far dug in the trenches they'd still want him fired and say he just rode Rodgers coattails to another one and got lucky. Plus when it gets to a point that they say he should be fired just because he doesn't win pretty even if the team does win, that's diarrhea Jerry Jones thinking right there.

Now ... As with other coaches and in a sound and reasonable manner, I would still have some level on expectations on MM and the team and I think a winning season and playoffs should be one of them. If the offense goes completely tailspinning and we end up mathematically eliminated from the playoffs early, then sure I'd be open to considering moving on and making a change if the overall direction was going wrong. But that's not the case, and one loss in a season in week 3 is meaningless. I suggest people wait until some time in November or December to determine where this team is going.

 

[longtimefan]

The defense won that Super Bowl. The offense was good but the defense that year with Woodson, Jenkins, etc. was terrific.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

After seeing MM's failure to develop other QB's, I'll give Rodgers most of the credit for being really good. As for the elite guys, I'm talking about when the Packers had an elite offense, 3-4 years ago. The Packers had a top-5 oline 3 years and great WRs. You don't need Pro Bowlers at every position for a great oline. Go back and look at those teams, heck, just google oline rankings 2015 and you'll see that the oline was GOOD back then.

It's unrealistic to expect a head coach being able to develop a backup quarterback into a decent starter with the new CBA extremely limiting practice snaps. That's especially true for the Packers considering the team has drafted only two QBs since 2011 with Hundley (fifth round) and Coleman (seventh).

Once again, the offense has been elite for most of McCarthy's tenure but aside of Rodgers the unit has mostly lacked elite players at skill positions.

The defense won that Super Bowl. The offense was good but the defense that year with Woodson, Jenkins, etc. was terrific.

It's true the defense was terrific during the 2010 season but the offense definitely contributed in a hige way to the Packers winning the Super Bowl that season.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

It's unrealistic to expect a head coach being able to develop a backup quarterback into a decent starter with the new CBA extremely limiting practice snaps. That's especially true for the Packers considering the team has drafted only two QBs since 2011 with Hundley (fifth round) and Coleman (seventh).

Once again, the offense has been elite for most of McCarthy's tenure but aside of Rodgers the unit has mostly lacked elite players at skill positions.

Jordy Nelson was a top-7 WR while here and the Packers frequently fielded one of the best olines in the NFL. That's a pretty good amount of offensive talent. Not to mention Greg Jennings, Cobb before injuries slowed him, and while Finley was not top-5 at TE, he was certainly top-10.

And the excuse about developing backup QBs doesn't work. If a coach who is noted for developing QBs is unable to do so because of the structure of the NFL, then that ability is pointless. He also refused to modify his offense when Hundley was QB (still running 1/1 sets more than any team in the NFL).

Darn! You got me again. I keep forgetting I've joined the bandwagon that insists the last 3-4 years have simply been a mirage and MM's offense has actually been just as innovative as Payton's, McVay's, Peterson's, Reid's, and Shanahan's...I'm new to this so give me time and pretty soon I'll get used to just blaming everyone EXCEPT McCarthy for problems that continue to plague the team he's in charge of.