Top needs going into the off season

[Deleted member 6794]

You know, I'm not on the Scooby band wagon at all. But I'm all about a tweener in this draft. This guy seems extremely small though. 6'0" 220 pounds. I'm not sure how that will translate. However, I really like the potential of the Su'a Cravens kid.

The Cardinals are using Deone Bucannon in a similar role and he´s even smaller at 6-1, 208.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Draft and Develop:

First round take:
Darron Lee, LB
Shilique Calhoun, DE
Vandal Alexander, G
Hunters Henry, TE

With Sitton and Lang both under contract for another season there´s absolutely no reason to draft a guard in the first round.

 

[Ace]

With Sitton and Lang both under contract for another season there´s absolutely no reason to draft a guard in the first round.

I'd be fine letting Lang walk after next season, Sitton should get another deal here, and then couldn't Tretter be moved into Lang's spot (assuming we do in fact let Lang walk). I guess what I'm saying is; Guard isn't anywhere near the top of the needs list at this particular point.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

The Cardinals are using Deone Bucannon in a similar role and he´s even smaller at 6-1, 208.

Hmmm... I thought Bucannon was almost 225-230. But it's true, he could be a tweener, but right now he plays OLB and I haven't seen many tweeners at OLB. I would imagine they get held up a lot when rushing.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'd be fine letting Lang walk after next season, Sitton should get another deal here, and then couldn't Tretter be moved into Lang's spot (assuming we do in fact let Lang walk). I guess what I'm saying is; Guard isn't anywhere near the top of the needs list at this particular point.

In addition the Packers have Taylor and Rotherham, who they paid the active roster minimum late in the season to stay on the practice squad to stay with the team, at the position. No need to address it early in the draft.

Hmmm... I thought Bucannon was almost 225-230. But it's true, he could be a tweener, but right now he plays OLB and I haven't seen many tweeners at OLB. I would imagine they get held up a lot when rushing.

I agree that Stricker won´t be able to play outside linebacker in the NFL.

 

[Caleb Hendricks]

Striker can play multiple positions and hes good at them. Hes fast, flies all over the field. Honestly, I think he'll be a Kam Chancellor type in the NFL. Hes not a bad player and Kam does play that LB/safety hybrid.

Striker has Patriot written all over him. I hope we draft him though. I think he'll be a good player. Hes also a leader. Hes one of those players who defies the odds at his position. He has a big heart.

I agree that the linebacker that we go with needs to be a hybrid type of guy. We saw what Deone Bucannon was capable of, and that is the kind of guy we need. A linebacker in a safeties body who can cover both TE's and RB's out of the backfield, as well as the middle of the field on those underneath crossing routes that beat us on third downs all season. A guy like that would a perfect fit in Dom Capers system as well.

 

[Caleb Hendricks]

Well, if Jordy is a given, I'll go along with Cobb's return to productivity, too.

Then, however, you have four guys with (Monty) one year of experience, six games played, 15 total receptions, (Abby) 1/10/6, (Janis) 2/16/4, and (Adams) 2/29/88. Adams comes pretty close to having enough background on which to base an opinion, but since he went from wunderkind the last half of last year to favorite whipping boy this year, one has to wonder if he's going to come bouncing back or turn into Boykin 2.0. In other words, I'm not placing my bets on any of those guys.

I agree that Cobb will return to form when Jordy gets back, as will the rest of the offense. As for the other 4 WR's, I think Davante Adams will benefit the most from Nelson returning because he will be able to settle in, rather than get thrown into the fire like he did this year. At the beginning of the season all of his praise was brought on because he was a legitimate third option, but once Jordy went down he was forced into a role that he was not mentally prepared for.

 

[C-Lee]

I agree that Cobb will return to form when Jordy gets back, as will the rest of the offense. As for the other 4 WR's, I think Davante Adams will benefit the most from Nelson returning because he will be able to settle in, rather than get thrown into the fire like he did this year. At the beginning of the season all of his praise was brought on because he was a legitimate third option, but once Jordy went down he was forced into a role that he was not mentally prepared for.

accurate.

 

[TJV]

I don’t know if McCarthy’s press conference has been referenced here but I thought it was interesting when asked about the effect of Nelson’s absence and lack of deep threat he said what’s needed is a ‘big target who can run through the middle of the field, whether it’s a TE or WR’. He referenced Finley and Nelson. From his point of view I would guess a pass catching TE is near the top of his wish list.

He also said RRodgers and Adams need to improve. It’d be great if RRodgers could work on his speed and his blocking but at the very least he needs to work on one of ‘em. I hope Adams does some serious reflection this off season and work his *** off and dedicate himself to his career, regardless of Nelson’s return.

I hope they don't see Tretter as the primary backup all across the OL. He did OK (particularly compared to his predecessor) at OT but they've got to do better at LT and backup OT.

 

[Un4GivN]

I don’t know if McCarthy’s press conference has been referenced here but I thought it was interesting when asked about the effect of Nelson’s absence and lack of deep threat he said what’s needed is a ‘big target who can run through the middle of the field, whether it’s a TE or WR’. He referenced Finley and Nelson. From his point of view I would guess a pass catching TE is near the top of his wish list.

He also said RRodgers and Adams need to improve. It’d be great if RRodgers could work on his speed and his blocking but at the very least he needs to work on one of ‘em. I hope Adams does some serious reflection this off season and work his *** off and dedicate himself to his career, regardless of Nelson’s return.

I hope they don't see Tretter as the primary backup all across the OL. He did OK (particularly compared to his predecessor) at OT but they've got to do better at LT and backup OT.

Do you find it odd he had no problem calling out Davante, RR, Lacy... Yet, Rodgers looked far from himself and there are countless images showing him missing open receivers. Throwing errant passes yet that wasn't addressed?

Cobb was a huge disappointment as well, nothing about him either. Just to me seems like a little division happening. Young vs experienced. Even though they both played equally as bad at times.

Or is that like a "you earn a pass moment"?

 

[Patriotplayer90]

I don’t know if McCarthy’s press conference has been referenced here but I thought it was interesting when asked about the effect of Nelson’s absence and lack of deep threat he said what’s needed is a ‘big target who can run through the middle of the field, whether it’s a TE or WR’. He referenced Finley and Nelson. From his point of view I would guess a pass catching TE is near the top of his wish list.

He also said RRodgers and Adams need to improve. It’d be great if RRodgers could work on his speed and his blocking but at the very least he needs to work on one of ‘em. I hope Adams does some serious reflection this off season and work his *** off and dedicate himself to his career, regardless of Nelson’s return.

I hope they don't see Tretter as the primary backup all across the OL. He did OK (particularly compared to his predecessor) at OT but they've got to do better at LT and backup OT.

Richard a Rodgers looks larger than he did in college. Not a Lacy situation, but you could tell he was slimmer and more agile. Still not a very nifty player, but at least then he had the athleticism of an average TE.

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[easyk83]

I'd say the draft should look like this,

1) BVA
2) BVA
3) BVA
4) BVA
5) BVA
6) BVA
7) BVA

What is BVA? Best value available. It's an approach that looks at the ability of a player and weighs that against team need, scheme projection and the team's depth chart. Basically it's BPA without worrying about drafting at covered positions. I think the team needs to look for the best players and while it would be nice to get a good player at a position of need it would be better to get a good player as opposed to a John Michaels, Aaron Taylor, Derek Sherrod, Nick Perry, Jamal Reynolds etc. So while fans might gripe when a player like Aaron Rodgers or Jordy Nelson is draft in spite of more immediate needs, the skills of the better player will often shine through in the end.

 

[easyk83]

Richard a Rodgers looks larger than he did in college. Not a Lacy situation, but you could tell he was slimmer and more agile. Still not a very nifty player, but at least then he had the athleticism of an average TE.

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I think he could be an effective pass catcher if he slimmed down, at his current weight he's too slow to even engage defenders.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Do you find it odd he had no problem calling out Davante, RR, Lacy... Yet, Rodgers looked far from himself and there are countless images showing him missing open receivers. Throwing errant passes yet that wasn't addressed?

Cobb was a huge disappointment as well, nothing about him either. Just to me seems like a little division happening. Young vs experienced. Even though they both played equally as bad at times.

Or is that like a "you earn a pass moment"?

I'm against publicly scrutinizing any of your players.

 

[TJV]

Do you find it odd he had no problem calling out Davante, RR, Lacy... Yet, Rodgers looked far from himself and there are countless images showing him missing open receivers. Throwing errant passes yet that wasn't addressed?

Cobb was a huge disappointment as well, nothing about him either. Just to me seems like a little division happening. Young vs experienced. Even though they both played equally as bad at times.

Or is that like a "you earn a pass moment"?

He said he thought Rodgers handled adversity well this season. My guess is any criticism occurred in their one-on-one meeting. (I don't have a problem with that - similar to Starr asking Lombardi not to criticize him in public or even in front of his teammates.) It could very well have been his attempt to motivate the youngsters to take the off season very seriously.

 

[Packerlover]

Top needs??

2 really fast Wide Receivers..

 

[Cheez31]

Sign Travis Benjamin. You heard it hear first. A bad moon rising

 

[easyk83]

Do you find it odd he had no problem calling out Davante, RR, Lacy... Yet, Rodgers looked far from himself and there are countless images showing him missing open receivers. Throwing errant passes yet that wasn't addressed?

Cobb was a huge disappointment as well, nothing about him either. Just to me seems like a little division happening. Young vs experienced. Even though they both played equally as bad at times.

Or is that like a "you earn a pass moment"?

Would you have called out Aaron Rodgers? With a player of his stature I think you express your disagreements privately so as to avoid a Civil War. Lacy and RR need to come back slimmer, Davante shouldn't have been called out he needs to mature. Randall Cobb needs to take a pay cut or get cut, he's taking too much money to be just a slot specialist who rides on Jordy's coat tails.

EDIT: With Davante it's possible that by heaping additional pressure on him that the Coaches will be able to evaluate him better.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Would you have called out Aaron Rodgers? With a player of his stature I think you express your disagreements privately so as to avoid a Civil War. Lacy and RR need to come back slimmer, Davante shouldn't have been called out he needs to mature. Randall Cobb needs to take a pay cut or get cut, he's taking too much money to be just a slot specialist who rides on Jordy's coat tails.

I agree with all of this. The pay cut won't happen, obviously. I like Cobb, but I would have let him walk for $10 million.

 

[easyk83]

I agree with all of this. The pay cut won't happen, obviously. I like Cobb, but I would have let him walk for $10 million.

I think Montgomery can do a lot of the same stuff that Cobb does with the same deficiencies and do it for less than 1 mill per year.

 

[Ace]

I agree with all of this. The pay cut won't happen, obviously. I like Cobb, but I would have let him walk for $10 million.

Sure now you would. With Jordy back he could revert back to the $10M guy. Hard to say. He isn't a #1 guy though that is painfully obvious now.

 

[Mondio]

I'd bet that McCarthy isn't calling anybody out, i'm sure he was man enough to stand in front of whomever and tell them exactly how they had evaluated them and what the expectations would be going forward before he ever uttered a word at a season ending presser.

 

[Cheez31]

Benjamin plays with no lead a lot and is good. With the Packers they can use him in the clutch. Abby gets hurt often and looks small according to your eyes. Montgomery is injury prone. Adams is up in the air and has a lower percentage of drops in his career compared to Nelson and Jones. Adams was hurt and played like .... Janis is a # 4 WR at best. He reminds me of Bill Schroeder. He didn't win anything in Green Bay. Benjamin brings speed and Cleveland/Hurricane fan base for a possible Super Bowl in Miami (2019-2020).

 

[Half Empty]

HaHa is the best, that's for damn sure

Didn't see what this could have been in context. He's the best what? And, so what?

 

[easyk83]

Benjamin plays with no lead a lot and is good. With the Packers they can use him in the clutch. Abby gets hurt often and looks small according to your eyes. Montgomery is injury prone. Adams is up in the air and has a lower percentage of drops in his career compared to Nelson and Jones. Adams was hurt and played like .... Janis is a # 4 WR at best. He reminds me of Bill Schroeder. He didn't win anything in Green Bay. Benjamin brings speed and Cleveland/Hurricane fan base for a possible Super Bowl in Miami (2019-2020).

Janis hasn't locked down a spot any more than David Tyree did after his post season heroics. The Bill Schroeder comparison is misplaced, however, while Schroeder was tall and fast he was built like a string bean at 195-200 pounds. Janis at 215-220 is a bigger stronger player with a better resume for physicality, I don't remember Schroeder playing as a gunner like Janis does.