This is our ceiling!

[DigRun]

I guess the Vikings ceiling has been hit. 14-3. Can raise that 'We beat the Packers 2 times and got a 5 seed' banner.

 

[rmontro]

People talk about needing leaders, based on comments sure sounds like Jacobs, X and Kraft are going to try to step up to fill that. Unfortunately we needed Gary, Alexander, Clark and Love to do that. Wasn't seeing it from those 4 and going to need more from that $100M in cap space. Although I think Jaire is gone.

Sounds like it. You never know though.

I guess the Vikings ceiling has been hit. 14-3. Can raise that 'We beat the Packers 2 times and got a 5 seed' banner.

I never bought into them in the first place.

 

[Heyjoe4]

This is it. Perennial playoff team that rarely goes the distance. Not being a entitled fan here, but just a realistic one. I'm still happy at where we are now (looking at you Bears), but it's time we awaken to reality.

- MLF has hit his his max capability and change needs to start with him. Maybe let the OC help with play calling, while he can look at some meta stuff like clock management, training against penalties etc. We have been mostly stagnant with just passing glimpses of brilliance making things more glitzy that they actually are. How can one be so strategic and blind at the same time!

- Gute's (and Ted's) team building is good to keep us here. We may need to rely on individual brilliance to take us further. But that's it. We are successful, but rarely dominate (looking at you, Lions). Overachievers, but never stars.

I really can't fault anyone as they have done their best. And here we are!

Yeah I agree something has to change for the Packers to go farther than they have the last two years. Just making the playoffs is certainly not enough for me.

I'd say Gluten has done a good job with personnel, especially considering the cap hits from guys like Rodgers, Bakh, JA and now Clark. Even so, he has more work to do than I thought just a few weeks ago. CB talent has to be upgraded, but now add OL depth, Edge rusher, veteran #1 WR talent, and DL talent and his job gets a lot tougher. Morgan will hopefully help address OL depth when healthy. The CB group is my #1 priority followed closely by a veteran, top WR. There is only so much that can be done in FA, and then the draft can supplement other areas that need to be addressed.

The real change needs to come, as you aptly note, in MLF's role. By essentially being the OC on game day, he's missing the forest for the trees. He needs to take a macro view of the team and count on his coordinators to deliver. Clock management and penalties were a problem for the entire season. Someone needs to chase that down, and a clear path to do so is required.

The team is a long, long way from being bad, quite the opposite. We all (most of us) had expectations that the team would build off the success of the last half of last season. Didn't work out so some changes are needed.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I guess the Vikings ceiling has been hit. 14-3. Can raise that 'We beat the Packers 2 times and got a 5 seed' banner.

Oh man I love that! Yeah I would say the queens played above their pay grade this year. Scoring a total of 12 points in their last two games (and the most important for their season) kinda says it all.

And wouldn't it be great if the Lions win the SB and the queens are the lone North team w/o a Lombardi?

 

[rmontro]

Oh man I love that! Yeah I would say the queens played above their pay grade this year. Scoring a total of 12 points in their last two games (and the most important for their season) kinda says it all.

Too bad they didn't get exposed one game earlier.

As for the Lions, I can't say I'm rooting for them (I hate all the other NFC North teams lol). But I'd rather they win the Super Bowl than see the Chiefs win three in a row. Of course, I hate the Eagles too. Sometimes it's hard to say what team I want to win until the game actually starts. Vikings winning it all would have been the worst case scenario.

I used to hate the Cowboys more than anyone, but they've been so harmless for so long. Plus when McCarthy went there I softened on them. I like Mike, even if he's not the greatest coach on the planet.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Too bad they didn't get exposed one game earlier.

As for the Lions, I can't say I'm rooting for them (I hate all the other NFC North teams lol). But I'd rather they win the Super Bowl than see the Chiefs win three in a row. Of course, I hate the Eagles too. Sometimes it's hard to say what team I want to win until the game actually starts. Vikings winning it all would have been the worst case scenario.

I used to hate the Cowboys more than anyone, but they've been so harmless for so long. Plus when McCarthy went there I softened on them. I like Mike, even if he's not the greatest coach on the planet.

Thanks, agree with everything here. The Lions are my pick by the process of elimination - I'd rather not see the Chiefs and definitely not the Eagles in the SB. I could cheer for the Bills as well. As it looks now, a Lions/Bills SB seems the most likely, meaning it probably won't happen.

In the meantime, a Washington win over Philly would be nice.

And I don't dislike MM as a person. And he was a decent HC for about 10 years, hell we won a SB. But we all get old quickly it seems. Whatever the modern NFL is, it doesn't have a chair for MM.

 

[tynimiller]

RAS doesn't measure intelligence, determination or desire.

No more projects.

Draft players that have played a minimum 30 games and have produce both on film and on the field.

More veterans for next season. Team needs balance, less youth.

Um....you know who fits this of our first rounders of late?

Meet the criteria:
Rashan Gary
Jordan Love
Eric Stokes
Quay Walker
Devonte Wyatt
Jordan Morgan

Doesn't meet criteria
LVN just misses it with 27 games (and still had 13.5 sacks)

 

[SudsMcBucky]

Too much dedication to RAS.

This EXACTLY gets too much into Gute's head in the early 1st/2nd rounds.

 

[rmontro]

And I don't dislike MM as a person. And he was a decent HC for about 10 years, hell we won a SB. But we all get old quickly it seems. Whatever the modern NFL is, it doesn't have a chair for MM.

Yeah, there was a window when he was a pretty good coach. And that reminds me of 2011, coached by McCarthy. That team's offense was unstoppable until the league figured out how to do it, and the Giants knocked us off on their way to winning the Super Bowl (again).

I saw somebody on TV this morning, saying the Cowboys were right to let him go, because McCarthy couldn't win a Super Bowl. I know what he meant, but I couldn't help thinking "He's already won one".

 

[Pugger]

People talk about needing leaders, based on comments sure sounds like Jacobs, X and Kraft are going to try to step up to fill that. Unfortunately we needed Gary, Alexander, Clark and Love to do that. Wasn't seeing it from those 4 and going to need more from that $100M in cap space. Although I think Jaire is gone.

From here it doesn't seem like Love is a vocal leader. He may be more of a follow my example kind of guy? Of course I am not in that locker room so I may be totally wrong...

 

[Pugger]

Oh man I love that! Yeah I would say the queens played above their pay grade this year. Scoring a total of 12

points in their last two games (and the most important for their season) kinda says it all.

And wouldn't it be great if the Lions win the SB and the queens are the lone North team w/o a Lombardi?

The kittens? Yuk.

Right now I'm thinking Philly will win the NFC. In the AFC the Bills are the team to beat. Buffalo might win the whole thing. KC is not the dominant force they have been in the past.