The Point of the Draft Picks

[Pokerbrat2000]

His accuracy and touch on some of those shorter throws was awful. For a scout to ignore how he flat out missed receivers within 5 yards of the LOS or delivered ugly balls is questionable.

Have you watched Rodgers play in the last few years? I see those short throws missed in the NFL too. Definitely room for improvement for Love, but when you are running for your life after almost every snap of the ball, those short throws actually might be the harder ones.

The "good news", he has 2 or 3 years to clean up his game. I prefer that over finding out Rodgers is playing his final season and at the end of it, we now have to draft his instant replacement. Something to be said about developing without the pressure of being thrown to the Lions (not the Detroit ones) every Sunday.

 

[CanadaCheese]

Keep trying to talk yourself into the “Love Shack” people.....he isn’t even really a viable prospect based on his college body of work as I see it ......huge risk and bad timing for a variety of reasons.....I’d set the odds at 4 to 1 that he develops into a serviceable starter.....words like “might”, “possible”, “potential”, and “we hope” surround this

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Keep trying to talk yourself into the “Love Shack” people.....he isn’t even really a viable prospect based on his college body of work as I see it ......huge risk and bad timing for a variety of reasons.....I’d set the odds at 4 to 1 that he develops into a serviceable starter.....words like “might”, “possible”, “potential”, and “we hope” surround this

Totally get where you are coming from, great to see you post on all these different subjects with your great insight and analysis. You are a very valuable member of our community and just after one week of being here! Your future is so bright.

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[CanadaCheese]

Sorry....not trying to be a downer... just trying to be a realist from what I see and based on eye tests and background over 35 years of watching pro sports

 

[CanadaCheese]

And I’m not interested in your childish comments either.... as your statements are irrelevant as is your insights

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And I’m not interested in your childish comments either.... as your statements are irrelevant as is your insights

Excellent. Welcome to my ignore list. Enjoy your stay.

 

[Dantés]

Totally get where you are coming from, great to see you post on all these different subjects with your great insight and analysis. You are a very valuable member of our community and just after one week of being here! Your future is so bright.

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His arrival has been a fortuitous development. Before our friend from the north showed up, we didn't have anyone around to come into each thread and explain to us how the correct perspective on the topic of said thread, whatever it might be, is the most negative one possible.

 

[RepStar15]

Keep trying to talk yourself into the “Love Shack” people.....he isn’t even really a viable prospect based on his college body of work as I see it ......huge risk and bad timing for a variety of reasons.....I’d set the odds at 4 to 1 that he develops into a serviceable starter.....words like “might”, “possible”, “potential”, and “we hope” surround this

I hope you realize that all 255 draft picks are "mights", "possibles", "potentials" and "hopefuls." For someone that has the "eye-test for 35 years of watching pro sports," you should be well aware of this and know that your thought on the guy really means nothing until after you have seen him play. You, me and MLF have never seen him play for the Green Bay Packers. We literally know nothing.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I thought this was a pretty good article (below) written by Rob Demovsky, concerning the Love pick. A lot of this has been discussed here but some key point:

"To be considered a success, Green Bay Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst must not only put together a roster that can win in the NFL week in and out but also year in and year out. ~That's the standard for a GM."

"Matt LaFleur must win now. ~That's the standard for a head coach."

Gute: "The balance of the immediate and the long term is something that I have to consider, and that's why we did it."


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29117914

 

[Mondio]

I thought this was a pretty good article (below) written by Rob Demovsky, concerning the Love pick. A lot of this has been discussed here but some key point:

"To be considered a success, Green Bay Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst must not only put together a roster that can win in the NFL week in and out but also year in and year out. ~That's the standard for a GM."

"Matt LaFleur must win now. ~That's the standard for a head coach."

Gute: "The balance of the immediate and the long term is something that I have to consider, and that's why we did it."


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29117914

People shouldn't need that spelled out of for them, and those that do likely don't get it anyway. But it is a very good point and one most people should be able to at least understand, even if they don't agree with the thought process.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

People shouldn't need that spelled out of for them, and those that do likely don't get it anyway. But it is a very good point and one most people should be able to at least understand, even if they don't agree with the thought process.

Agree. I mainly see that attitude with the Band wagon fans. They aren't going to watch this Sunday if they think the Packers are going to lose, so why even invest or be interested in any long range plans they might have. Before anyone jumps down my throat, this statement isn't calling you out as a "band wagon fan" just because you don't like the Love pick. As Mondio said above, I am just pointing out something I found pretty obvious, but have seen several posts on "MLF and Gute are trying to run Rodgers out of Green Bay". I really don't think the Love pick does MLF a lot of short term good. If MLF flails as head coach in the next 2-3 years, Love might not be able to save him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Appears that Miami is a good place for high draft picks to die. So thankful I am not a Dolphins fan.

I remember when both Harris and Charlton were some Packer fans desired draft picks.

Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
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The #Falcons are sending a seventh-round pick to the #Dolphins for DE Charles Harris, per source. That’s two former first-round picks Miami has moved on from in the past 24 hours: Taco Charlton cut yesterday, now Harris traded.

*Note: Taco was a Cowboy draft pick, despite what Pelissero implied.

 

[Scott Spurgeon]

Signing Rodgers was of course not a mistake. We want the best QB we can have. Because you think it is not tailored to his strengths, does not make it so. His scrambling abilities seemed to take a sharp hit last year. He will play best off of play action going forward. We had no idea we would be selecting a QB this draft and anyway, this new QB will benefit from sitting on the bench two or three years. Hopefully ARod can stay healthy.

 

[Mondio]

Agree. I mainly see that attitude with the Band wagon fans. They aren't going to watch this Sunday if they think the Packers are going to lose, so why even invest or be interested in any long range plans they might have. Before anyone jumps down my throat, this statement isn't calling you out as a "band wagon fan" just because you don't like the Love pick. As Mondio said above, I am just pointing out something I found pretty obvious, but have seen several posts on "MLF and Gute are trying to run Rodgers out of Green Bay". I really don't think the Love pick does MLF a lot of short term good. If MLF flails as head coach in the next 2-3 years, Love might not be able to save him.

Just read a quote from a Packer question and answer format on their web page. I rather liked it, and I'm paraphrasing. Love was an investment, not a statement.

 

[Dantés]

Appears that Miami is a good place for high draft picks to die. So thankful I am not a Dolphins fan.

I remember when both Harris and Charlton were some Packer fans desired draft picks.

Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
·
48m

The #Falcons are sending a seventh-round pick to the #Dolphins for DE Charles Harris, per source. That’s two former first-round picks Miami has moved on from in the past 24 hours: Taco Charlton cut yesterday, now Harris traded.

*Note: Taco was a Cowboy draft pick, despite what Pelissero implied.

Charles Harris was the first Brandon Favorite when he showed up, so he's always going to have a special place in my heart. That dude would lose his ever loving mind if you said that you liked someone else better than Harris. Welp...

 

[Scott Spurgeon]

Regarding Roger's 4 years left on his contract, and LaFluer going a different direction. Last fall we all witnessed that LaFluer and Roger's butted heads. LaFluer wants a more run focused offense and Rogets uses the run as a secondary option.

On player selection, last year LaFluer took Rashad Gary with the first pick to everyone's surprise. I watched Rashad all four years at Michigan and he never lived up to his hype and was classified as an under performer just like ge is showing in Green Bay. Why did LaFluer take Rashad? He was a big man who could run fast. Forget about being injury prone or work ethic

This year, LaFluer takes Jordan Love. Why? I believe it is because LaFluer in speaking with Jordan, feels he will do exactly what LaFluer wants without argument. Roger's work t do that and didn't do that last season and I believe it pissed LaFluer off to the point that he wants leverage against Roger's this year.

Would LaFluer pull or trade Rogers?Maybe so.

We are witnessing a HC who is an pure control freak. It is showing in the drafts, in the locker room and on/off the field. Its LaFluer's way period.

For a publically held team not to take in the will and considerations of its fan base and shareholders is extremely worrisome

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Just read a quote from a Packer question and answer format on their web page. I rather liked it, and I'm paraphrasing. Love was an investment, not a statement.

While I admit my gut reaction to the pick was stomach turning and almost window shattering, this week of processing, listening to those involved, as well as those close to the situation has helped me to come to terms with it. As that statement said, "this is an investment". Many outside the organization want to twist this into it being a "statement" because it makes it fun and controversial to talk about.

Nobody in the Packer organization or its fans, are fooling themselves if they think it is a 100% fool proof investment, because it isn't. What it is, is a pretty cheap investment that could have a very high pay out down the road. I have seen my share of late first round picks (and late 4th rounds too) bomb, so as much as I would have liked to have sees them invest those picks in what I viewed as potential immediate fixes, the Love pick has the potential to be another franchise changing move.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Regarding Roger's 4 years left on his contract, and LaFluer going a different direction. Last fall we all witnessed that LaFluer and Roger's butted heads. LaFluer wants a more run focused offense and Rogets uses the run as a secondary option.

On player selection, last year LaFluer took Rashad Gary with the first pick to everyone's surprise. I watched Rashad all four years at Michigan and he never lived up to his hype and was classified as an under performer just like ge is showing in Green Bay. Why did LaFluer take Rashad? He was a big man who could run fast. Forget about being injury prone or work ethic

This year, LaFluer takes Jordan Love. Why? I believe it is because LaFluer in speaking with Jordan, feels he will do exactly what LaFluer wants without argument. Roger's work t do that and didn't do that last season and I believe it pissed LaFluer off to the point that he wants leverage against Roger's this year.

Would LaFluer pull or trade Rogers?Maybe so.

We are witnessing a HC who is an pure control freak. It is showing in the drafts, in the locker room and on/off the field. Its LaFluer's way period.

For a publically held team not to take in the will and considerations of its fan base and shareholders is extremely worrisome

I think you are getting LeFleur and Gute mixed up and imagining LeFleur with way too much power in the process.. Gute is the one making most of the personnel decisions. LeFleur the head coach might have some influence, but ultimately its Gute's job to draft, sign, cut, et.

When don't HC's and QB's butt heads?

 

[Fat Dogs]

Maybe it has been posted before, but I don't remember seeing it. Since several people have been talking about the Jordan Love VS. LSU film, here it is. Couple plays there, I felt like I was watching Rodgers receivers dropping the bunnies or one of those games where the PAcker OL just couldn't block to save their lives, which fortunately isn't that often.

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I thought this was a pretty good article (below) written by Rob Demovsky, concerning the Love pick. A lot of this has been discussed here but some key point:

"To be considered a success, Green Bay Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst must not only put together a roster that can win in the NFL week in and out but also year in and year out. ~That's the standard for a GM."

"Matt LaFleur must win now. ~That's the standard for a head coach."

Gute: "The balance of the immediate and the long term is something that I have to consider, and that's why we did it."


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29117914

The job of a GM isn’t easy. It is a delicate balance to draft for immediate team needs and to build for the future of the organization. We are packer fans. I do love Aaron Rodgers but I was a fan way before him and I will be way after. That being said ugh Love.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I mean, it will be excellent if Love turns into a top-5 QB but I don't get the support for the idea that the Packers needed to draft him 3 years before he'll actually be needed. I mean, are fans arguing that Love is better than the majority of QBs that will be coming out of college in the next 3 years? I just wonder why the heir-apparent needed to be drafted THIS year rather than next year, or the year after. The Packers thought Jordan Love was SOOOO good that they passed (ha, see what I did there?) on the chance to improve at positions they are really weak at, to draft a guy that won't play for 3 years. That means that you are basically saying Love will be better than any QB drafted after pick 20 in the next THREE drafts. That's a lot of confidence in him.

 

[GleefulGary]

Regarding Roger's 4 years left on his contract, and LaFluer going a different direction. Last fall we all witnessed that LaFluer and Roger's butted heads. LaFluer wants a more run focused offense and Rogets uses the run as a secondary option.

On player selection, last year LaFluer took Rashad Gary with the first pick to everyone's surprise. I watched Rashad all four years at Michigan and he never lived up to his hype and was classified as an under performer just like ge is showing in Green Bay. Why did LaFluer take Rashad? He was a big man who could run fast. Forget about being injury prone or work ethic

This year, LaFluer takes Jordan Love. Why? I believe it is because LaFluer in speaking with Jordan, feels he will do exactly what LaFluer wants without argument. Roger's work t do that and didn't do that last season and I believe it pissed LaFluer off to the point that he wants leverage against Roger's this year.

Would LaFluer pull or trade Rogers?Maybe so.

We are witnessing a HC who is an pure control freak. It is showing in the drafts, in the locker room and on/off the field. Its LaFluer's way period.

For a publically held team not to take in the will and considerations of its fan base and shareholders is extremely worrisome

I'm not sure there's a true statement in this post.

Impressive.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The job of a GM isn’t easy. It is a delicate balance to draft for immediate team needs and to build for the future of the organization. We are packer fans. I do love Aaron Rodgers but I was a fan way before him and I will be way after. That being said ugh Love.

I became a Packer fan well before the "Favre-Rodgers Run" and had to watch a lot of garbage QB's take snaps in the Green and Gold. I have also watched many teams flail trying to find a starting QB, yet alone a franchise QB. A good stag way to the next post.

I mean, it will be excellent if Love turns into a top-5 QB but I don't get the support for the idea that the Packers needed to draft him 3 years before he'll actually be needed. I mean, are fans arguing that Love is better than the majority of QBs that will be coming out of college in the next 3 years? I just wonder why the heir-apparent needed to be drafted THIS year rather than next year, or the year after. The Packers thought Jordan Love was SOOOO good that they passed (ha, see what I did there?) on the chance to improve at positions they are really weak at, to draft a guy that won't play for 3 years. That means that you are basically saying Love will be better than any QB drafted after pick 20 in the next THREE drafts. That's a lot of confidence in him.

At some point in the very near future Gute was going to be forced with pulling the trigger on drafting Rodgers replacement. While my gut last Friday night screamed "too early, too early!!" when Love was picked, I rationalized the pick this way....

When and who do the Packers get to replace #12? Most of us thought next year or the year after, so mentally speaking few of us were prepared for this year. The fact is, no matter what year Gute jumped in to try this, he probably wasn't going to be getting the first, second or possibly even the 3rd crack at a QB in the draft. So what do you do then? Trade a ton of picks to move up for the guy you like? Still no guarantees.

This was a relatively "cheap" investment for the most expensive as well as the most influential position on a team. It was an investment in a guy that many thought would have been a top 10 pick, had it not been for his 2019 season being statistically off. IF it pays off, GREAT JOB Gute. If it doesn't pay off, we probably still have time while Rodgers is a Packer, to take another shot at it.

 

[Fat Dogs]

We all saw the LSU tape. The talent level on the field didn’t match up. Utah state was playing against a stacked roster of NFL caliber players. Let’s look at the games where his “below average receivers” faced DB’s in a Mountain west With the same talent level. This is a break down of loves TD/INT totals for all of 2019. Maybe his receivers weren’t getting separation so he had to force balls. Do you think this will change in a league that actually has shut down corners? The windows will only get tighter at the next level.


TD/ INT

wake Forest. 3, 3

Stony Brook 1, 0

San Diego State 0, 0

Colorado State 2, 2

LSU 0, 3

Nevada 1, 1

Air Force 1, 0

BYU 1, 3

Fresno State 2, 0

Wyoming 2, 2

Boise State 1, 1

New Mexico 3, 1

 

[Patriotplayer90]

I mean, it will be excellent if Love turns into a top-5 QB but I don't get the support for the idea that the Packers needed to draft him 3 years before he'll actually be needed. I mean, are fans arguing that Love is better than the majority of QBs that will be coming out of college in the next 3 years? I just wonder why the heir-apparent needed to be drafted THIS year rather than next year, or the year after. The Packers thought Jordan Love was SOOOO good that they passed (ha, see what I did there?) on the chance to improve at positions they are really weak at, to draft a guy that won't play for 3 years. That means that you are basically saying Love will be better than any QB drafted after pick 20 in the next THREE drafts. That's a lot of confidence in him.

Potential elite QB for 15 years>pieces which could potentially help now. At least that's the way the FO thinks. It makes sense, but what are you playing for now if that's the case? Jordan Love may be talented, but there are going to be more guys to come along. It's not even necessary that they sit behind Rodgers or get taken within the window he's still here. And it's entirely possible that Rodgers gets more accustomed to the system, we add pieces, and he actually is capable of playing into his 40s. It came entirely too soon. NE won 2 SBs when Brady was older than Rodgers, and he looked worse in 2013 at age 36 than Rodgers did last year

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This is a break down of loves TD/INT totals for all of 2019.

I think some are preferring to look at his 2018 numbers due to the fact that he was surrounded by better players as well as a head coach that he had worked with from day 1.