The Point of the Draft Picks

[Patriotplayer90]

And saying this illustrates when folks just look at stats or score to judge play. Never become a scout please.

It's fine if you say that things to like about that performance, but people are talking about it as if it were some master class on QB play. To say that there is little that will impress someone if they aren't impressed by that is ridiculous.

 

[PackAttack12]

I highly doubt that. I think we're talking about a maximum of two more years. But we will see.

One factor to consider is possible trade compensation. If this next off-season or the one thereafter someone is offering a premium for Rodgers, you have to consider it if you feel Love is ready.

At literally any other position, if you had a guy that was on his way out the door and could get a premium pick for him, 100% of fans would be on board.

Yeah. The Packers can claim all they want about this trade not putting Rodgers on the clock. He's absolutely on the clock.

Interesting tidbit you posted on the manageable cap hit scenario you posted for next offseason if the Packers do in fact decide to trade him. I'm obviously not in Rodgers head, but I think it's more than possible he asks out at the soonest possible time. Not saying he will, but it's quite possible.

 

[Fat Dogs]

Just to be clear, as many know, I'm not saying I'd have taken Love - I would not have. I do however love Love and what I think he projects to be.

I don’t know one Packer fan who can honestly say that he was their first choice. I will be the first to admit that I was wrong if he proves to be a great pick. I promise you this.

 

[Fat Dogs]

You're right. The turnovers are a concern.

But when you watch the tape, you can see a lot of it is fixable. A lot of it was trying to do too much. Quite simply, his supporting cast was not very good at all, and his scheme didn't help that much either.

I hope you are right. This reminds me a lot of Jamis Winston. He had tremendous gifts and a huge arm but reckless with the ball. He threw 18 picks his senior year. Ask any Bucs fans if they are happy to get rid of a 5,000 yard passer and replace him with an older vet that threw 1,000 yards and 13 TD’s less.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yeah. The Packers can claim all they want about this trade not putting Rodgers on the clock. He's absolutely on the clock.

Trade? Brain fart?

Rodgers is only on the clock if Jordan Love puts him on the clock by looking like a starter. Boy if that happens, I am going to be super happy!

Nobody is instantly on the clock because you draft someone that plays the same position. Did the drafting of Rashad Gary put one of the Smith Brothers "on the clock"?

 

[GleefulGary]

I hope you are right. This reminds me a lot of Jamis Winston. He had tremendous gifts and a huge arm but reckless with the ball. He threw 18 picks his senior year. Ask any Bucs fans if they are happy to get rid of a 5,000 yard passer and replace him with an older vet that threw 1,000 yards and 13 TD’s less.

The situation between Love and Winston could not be more different.

 

[Fat Dogs]

The situation between Love and Winston could not be more different.

Ones a #1 pick, different conference, better weapons, character concerns ya da ya da. Don’t read to much into it. I’m talking purely prospect similarities. Both coming out of college have GM’s drooling over their arm strength, measurables, and upside but both Made dumb decisions.

 

[tynimiller]

You're right. The turnovers are a concern.

But when you watch the tape, you can see a lot of it is fixable. A lot of it was trying to do too much. Quite simply, his supporting cast was not very good at all, and his scheme didn't help that much either.

Literally his entire supporting cast from 18' wasn't even there in 19'....it was insane.

 

[tynimiller]

I don’t know one Packer fan who can honestly say that he was their first choice. I will be the first to admit that I was wrong if he proves to be a great pick. I promise you this.

First pick with what parameters...

Any player in the draft?

Just QBs? I love Love and did say prior to the draft I think he will have a better career than any other first rounder if he went in the 1st. BUT...that said even then Burrow is tough to choose over and given the choice I'm not joking when I say it is a toss up for me personally.

At the pick we took him? Isaiah Wilson or Michael Pittman

At our original #30? Michael Pittman

 

[tynimiller]

Trade? Brain fart?

Rodgers is only on the clock if Jordan Love puts him on the clock by looking like a starter. Boy if that happens, I am going to be super happy!

Nobody is instantly on the clock because you draft someone that plays the same position. Did the drafting of Rashad Gary put one of the Smith Brothers "on the clock"?

No joke about the fact that would cause some super happy fans...because that literally means we are on track to have lightning strike twice and our back up is literally playing well enough an aging HoF is easy to say goodbye to.

 

[CanadaCheese]

Toss up between Burrows and Love on projection into the pros?.................that must be a typo!!!

 

[Fat Dogs]

First pick with what parameters...

Any player in the draft?

Just QBs? I love Love and did say prior to the draft I think he will have a better career than any other first rounder if he went in the 1st. BUT...that said even then Burrow is tough to choose over and given the choice I'm not joking when I say it is a toss up for me personally.

At the pick we took him? Isaiah Wilson or Michael Pittman

At our original #30? Michael Pittman

I could search every conversation in this forum and I don’t think I would find one person say “I really hope we draft Love with our #30 pick.” Lol I could probably find a few that said “I wouldn’t mind love but he wouldn’t be my first choice.” Of course, This would be only after Love was interviewed by the pack (none before.) The majority wanted receiver, ILB, or O-line. That is a fact.

 

[tynimiller]

I could search every conversation in this forum and I don’t think I would find one person say “I really hope we draft Love with our #30 pick.” Lol I could probably find a few that said “I wouldn’t mind love but he wouldn’t be my first choice.” Of course, This would be only after Love was interviewed by the pack (none before.) The majority wanted receiver, ILB, or O-line. That is a fact.

They're few and far between for sure, and I'm not one of them either as illustrated from my answer. I really thought when I saw our trade it was for Pittman, Mims or Queen.....maybe Wilson.

 

[tynimiller]

Toss up between Burrows and Love on projection into the pros?.................that must be a typo!!!

Nope, mark it down. I truly think, arguably more now than even before, Love will be in 4 to 5 years arguably or clearly the best QB that went in this year's first round. I will admit that is based off of I just sadly don't see Tua staying healthy...if I did I would say him.

 

[tynimiller]

To be fair someone in our mock draft competition actually predicted Jordan Love in the First Round to us.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Nope, mark it down. I truly think, arguably more now than even before, Love will be in 4 to 5 years arguably or clearly the best QB that went in this year's first round. I will admit that is based off of I just sadly don't see Tua staying healthy...if I did I would say him.

Love could be the best, he could also be awful. The beauty of the draft is that it's mostly luck and situation. It's really going to come down to what the Packers surround Love with on offense, the coaching he receives, and how quickly he can correct flaws in his accuracy, processing defenses, and decision making.

 

[Fat Dogs]

If you watch that LSU game and aren't impressed, then very little will impress you.

Process > results.

This could be the most over exaggerated statement ever. Did you even watch this game? Or did you listen to some analysts talk about a few good throws. I just watched the entirety of that game. He had a two really nice throws over the top of the defender in the first half (isn’t this expected from a first round pick?) He also threw a nice high seam at the end of the 1st that should have been a walk in TD. I also saw him throw 3 INT’s with defenders in blanket coverage. I saw him throw into triple coverage and the defender dropped what should have been a 4th pick of the game. Did I miss anything? I think you might want to pick a different game To make such a bold statement. Just saying..

 

[Fat Dogs]

To be fair someone in our mock draft competition actually predicted Jordan Love in the First Round to us.

Before the virtual interview? None the less. This is pretty impressive since the majority of us thought it was smoke and mirrors. Hats off to you mystery mocker.

 

[GleefulGary]

Ones a #1 pick, different conference, better weapons, character concerns ya da ya da. Don’t read to much into it. I’m talking purely prospect similarities. Both coming out of college have GM’s drooling over their arm strength, measurables, and upside but both Made dumb decisions.

Why did they make those dumb decisions?

Because they couldn't read the field? Because they couldn't figure out the coverage? Because they're trying to make plays to make up for poor teammates? Because the overall competition is better?

Ultimately, GB thinks they can correct Love's mistakes. Let's hope they're right.

 

[GleefulGary]

This could be the most over exaggerated statement ever. Did you even watch this game? Or did you listen to some analysts talk about a few good throws. I just watched the entirety of that game. He had a two really nice throws over the top of the defender in the first half (isn’t this expected from a first round pick?) He also threw a nice high seam at the end of the 1st that should have been a walk in TD. I also saw him throw 3 INT’s with defenders in blanket coverage. I saw him throw into triple coverage and the defender dropped what should have been a 4th pick of the game. Did I miss anything? I think you might want to pick a different game To make such a bold statement. Just saying..

I watched the entire game.

I watched Love throwing to a WR group consisting of a 6'2, 5'10, 5'8, and 5'7 players. Against a secondary where every single starter will play, and likely start in the NFL. Against a LB crew that will all be in the NFL. Against a DL that more than likely has a few NFL players too. With a supporting crew that most likely has 1-2 players that have more than a 3 year career in the league, and that's being very generous.

I saw Love throw his receivers open multiple times, showing touch, arm strength, and great placement. I saw some poor decisions. I saw good pocket movement in the face of unceasing pressure. I saw none of his teammates being at a similar level of their opponents other than Love. The talent level between the two teams was vast, but Love played up the level of LSU, despite the stats.

 

[Fat Dogs]

I watched the entire game.

I watched Love throwing to a WR group consisting of a 6'2, 5'10, 5'8, and 5'7 players. Against a secondary where every single starter will play, and likely start in the NFL. Against a LB crew that will all be in the NFL. Against a DL that more than likely has a few NFL players too. With a supporting crew that most likely has 1-2 players that have more than a 3 year career in the league, and that's being very generous.

I saw Love throw his receivers open multiple times, showing touch, arm strength, and great placement. I saw some poor decisions. I saw good pocket movement in the face of unceasing pressure. I saw none of his teammates being at a similar level of their opponents other than Love. The talent level between the two teams was vast, but Love played up the level of LSU, despite the stats.

I saw exactly what I knew before watching. Love is a project QB that makes poor decisions. There’s no doubt that Utah State was heavily outmatched and I’m not saying that Love isn’t talented. The two 30+ touch passes over defenders were a thing of beauty but Those were half of his yards. The rest of his completions didn’t go for more than 10 yards and he forced balls into places that he shouldn’t have. He finished with 130, 0, and 3 INT’s. I’m 1,000 percent sure that this isn’t the film to impress non believers that this kid is an NFL starter.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Maybe it has been posted before, but I don't remember seeing it. Since several people have been talking about the Jordan Love VS. LSU film, here it is. Couple plays there, I felt like I was watching Rodgers receivers dropping the bunnies or one of those games where the Packer OL just couldn't block to save their lives, which fortunately isn't that often. Love seems rushed on almost every play. Makes some very nice throws in tight windows, some good quick throws and a long passes that he lays right in. He does have a few bad throws and poor decisions, but generally looks like a pretty talented QB trying to survive while playing on an offense that is totally mismatched against a very good LSU defense.

I can't go back and name all the QB's that did well in the NFL after playing with a crappy college team, but its happened quite a bit. I would rather draft a QB that actually looks talented, despite the other guys around him, than a QB that appears to be talented, but you question whether his stats can be misleading due to all of the talent he is playing with and/or coached by. Ohio State QB's come to mind when I think of successful College QB's that didn't do so well in the NFL.

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[GleefulGary]

I saw exactly what I knew before watching. Love is a project QB that makes poor decisions. There’s no doubt that Utah State was heavily outmatched and I’m not saying that Love isn’t talented. The two 30+ touch passes over defenders were a thing of beauty but Those were half of his yards. The rest of his completions didn’t go for more than 10 yards and he forced balls into places that he shouldn’t have. He finished with 130, 0, and 3 INT’s. I’m 1,000 percent sure that this isn’t the film to impress non believers that this kid is an NFL starter.

To quote an actual NFL scout:

If anyone says he didn’t play well against LSU, lose credibility for that person. He played well against LSU, and his guys let him down. He put the ball on the money and guys were dropping balls on him. The talent discrepancy on that field that day was enormous.”

 

[Fat Dogs]

To quote an actual NFL scout:

Was that quote from Gute? He had some nice throws. I think I counted 3 drops that should have been caught. You said “If you watched that game and aren’t impressed then nothing will impress you.” He did some good things against a good D but nothing dazzled me. Good thing I’m not an NFL scout.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

He did have some nice throws downfield. His accuracy and touch on some of those shorter throws was awful. For a scout to ignore how he flat out missed receivers within 5 yards of the LOS or delivered ugly balls is questionable. He threw one screen too hot, then followed it up with a softball on a screen in which his receiver was immediately hit as soon as he caught it. Followed that up just a few plays later with a poorly placed ball on a screen which in which the receiver had to attempt a one handed catch. Great arm, but seems to lack feel as a passer